Does UTUTO have a PowerPC port?

Is there a good tutorial on how to make a so file ?
ok found one in my boodmarks

I don’t think so. I think the only distros for PPC that are still updated at Debian and YDL.
bI don’t think so. I think the only distros for PPC that are still updated at Debian and YDL./b

afternoon mattl

Moo!
and hello

youssef`: hi. Salaaam

me again
can I use a zlib licensensed library in a GPLv2 or later project?

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
it says yes

ok thanks

hello!
what does `hello’ mean anyway

heh nice question

0_o

Hello is a word used in English language for greeting others

heh
must be german

me or the word?
youssef`: where are you from?

netherlands
the word
from wikipedia “It may be a contraction of archaic English “whole be thou”.”

youssef`: interesting

Hello, if I understand it, comes from the invention of the telephone as a way to greet others (hence Edison is the author of the term). Bell apparently wanted Ahoy, or Ahoy, ahoy, or hi for short.

Edison huh

I’m not sure that’s right. ‘Hullo’ was used before Edison.

I don’t know about Hallo (the German), but I always assumed it was from Hello.

hello
http://apcmag.com/node/6735/ — Why I quit: kernel developer Con Kolivas
http://apcmag.com/node/7012 — Linus Torvalds with some new trash talk
Con Kolivas has revealed some interesting things.
Linus Torvalds encourages forking the kernel project, but not really.
The only linux kernel fork I’d be interested in would be one which didn’t include him or his name.
or his code, for that matter.
I’d like to see a kernel fork which extricates its self entirely from Linus Torvalds.

i was just wondering what the next level of OS openness would be – I have been trying to convince some stiff upper lip officers here in India and i can see one point that can really REALLY settle the case in favour of free software in e-governance…..

….which is..

if i could have a small button like the about button in desktop mamangers in gnu/linux, upon presing which the source code would pop up
in a message window
or text window
no proprietary OS can do that
but gnu/linux _can_
and that is the _biggest_ selling point for free software in egov
we have dtarce in solaris
dtrace*
but that is for kernel hackers
when you face a govt official who says “why should i bother trying a difficult OS?”
because you can see th source here ad you cannot over there
then he has to accept, is he is a decent human
if*
what do you say?

I find it to be an interesting idea

lets say I am the markleting guy, I know nothign much of lernel hacking
kernel*
but i can tell the egov fellow in very nice words, very patiently argue with him for an hour as well
if i get this one feature, he has nothing left to argue about
i can sell gnu/linux much much better
sell as in sell the concept

Most people have trouble understanding the why there are About-boxes, so having Source Code box wouldn’t help the situations much.

most people = not egov, not lawyers, not sharp, but small minded egov nuts

how about a live-edit source-code box?

intrpreted os at runtime!?

Soon they would ask “why it still has this typo in the menu even though I edited and saved the source”, or even better, “why I cannot edit the source code in this message window at all”.

ok i know that ios too much
but at lest you could simply ship the code in nice directory structure and that code could coe up

I know what to do about all this…

come* up
when that show source button is clicked

How about you give them the sources on CD saying here they are, anytime you need them

people get confused with more than one cd

it’s a good idea, especially if you have a kernel-patching tool which takes it fresh from the modified source and injects it into the kernel binary

ground facts

See http://stupid.domain.name/node/382 and http://blogs.freecode.no/isene/?p=3 to understand how clueless people make decisions about technical matters. Having a source coded popup certainly wouldn’t help making better decisions.

you’d need some kind of binary signatures to support the live binary patching
make the whole source-code visible and editable

look at it from their view – i cn install *doze in one cd – why do i need two here? should it not show when i click here?

just like jeditable based on jquery’s AJAX implementation makes web-pages directly editable without a full page refresh

olpc have a ‘view source’ button iirc

it does? gr8!

we just need technological support for anarchy

http://blog.printf.net/articles/2006/10/29/the-view-source-key

LOL

it’s the best way to push back against the techno-fascists
or to subvert them, rather
you know what I think? Linus torvalds is misguiding kernel development because he’s full of crap.
I think not only should we say GNU/Linux, but we should refer to Linus as GNU/Linus

cmon I was just discussing – i never said linus hasn’t thought of this …. or you or someone else in gnu or kernerl team…

I think I should make a script for the firefox codemonkey extension to correct all misuse of the name “Linux” and replace all references to Linus Torvalds with GNU/Linus Torvalds
I’m not being sarcastic
If I met Linus, I’d probably call him GNU/Linus.

“ymmv”

No one forces anyone to use Linux, there are operating systems with different kernels.

GNU/Linux

the other thing as mentioned at the article linked to by so_solid_moo above is interpreter OS
an* “interpreter OS”
teh interpreter source comes on a aother cd or a neat corner of the filesystem tree ad the rest is runtime….

Larhzu, it’s not the GNU/Linux kernel which is ultimately required – it’s the center of gravity of collective attention.

Quite a few leaders of major projects have bad social skills. E.g. OpenBSD’s Theo de Raadt has very strict principles about free software, but he often has “interesting” public comments too.

and if you make it in PHP, script kiddies can happily burn their monitors and mainboards

I’d like to see a big fork of the GNU/Linux kernel project
Let GNU/Linus keep the corporate half of the fork.

Linus may dislike FSF, but you are free to run GNU with e.g. FreeBSD’s kernel. If you don’t like Linux, don’t use it.

virtualization – interpreted OS VMWare appliance which is only-source, inside the VM

Linus is getting in the way and I feel comfortable criticizing him for it.
GNU/Linus, I meant.

There’s no such thing as GNU+Linux kernel… HURD it the GNU kernel as you should know already.

He keeps ripping off RMS’ ideas and re-presenting them as if they were his own.

He won’t be the only one

my very personal opinion is …….. no comments

That’s quite bold claim. Any URLs?

you are correct.
Rebranding “Free Software” as “Open Source”
accepting all the praise from the corporate magazines about leading the charge against MS

Huh
Linus didn’t rebrand Free Software. Open Source is very similar but still different thing.

disrespecting the roots of a movement which existed before his participation began

Linus noticed that it’s much better to develop software by letting anyone to send you patches etc.

esr says the same about rms – its’ all too complex – let them hadle it themselves
handle*

It’s not too complex as far as I’m concerned.

I admit that I haven’t read the history very well, but I have understood that before Linus most GNU software was developed “behind closed doors” by a specific group, not publically.

four freedoms
RMS articulated the four freedoms and wrote them into the GPL, and has subsequently updated the GPL to protect those same four freedoms from new exploits.
It’s simple.

GPLv3 may be better, but that doesn’t make GPLv2 horrible.

which option parser lib is used as standard with gcc/g++ ?

that’s not the point at all. It’s just that GPL2 has a couple of known loopholes, the “Tivoization” loophole and the Software as a Service loophole.

hi gnudists

Is there a clause in GPLv3 that says it is compatible with all future versions of the GPL?

That would be specific to the program whether they would want to allow that.

well there is the code is licensed under gplv3 or later

The license gives an example of what you text you should use to declare it under the GPL, and the upwards compatibility clause is part of that.

GPLv3 doesn’t plug ASP loophole, and I think that it cannot even be plugged. AGPLv3 is a good try, but at least the draft 2 looks quite ineffective and ambiguous.

AGPL
well, that’s an important one because I’ve seen it exploited.

RightO, Thanks.

Software as a service loophole… never heard of it but it sounds pertinent… I spent a couple months wondering how to apply the GPL to web services . do you have an URL on that, balzac ?

AGPL probably won’t fix it completely. The subject is pretty complex if you don’t want to force people to publish all modifications they make (even if they do them in private).

I had another query, assume there is a large body of code under a BSDish license. I can’t relicense and distribute it under the GPL right? (I am not the author of the code)

A work in progress is fine with me. At least there’s work being done to build a stable framework on which to base free software projects which are web-applications.

btw, does gnu have a member blog system or savannah ….?

Check the source code. IIRC it’s a bit weird for historical reasons, not regular getopt_long() or similar as used by most GNU software.

would be a nice place to write at

you can search for “ASP loophole” or “SaS loophole”

thanks

There’s work in progress, but to me it seems that it will produce an inefficient license. See the comments on gplv3.fsf.org.

relicensing is the right of the original developer, I think.

I thought as much. So the only option is to rewrite the code and release it under GPL, then.

If it is revised BSD license, it’s compatible with GPL.

I suppose so. But not to ‘rewrite’ but to re-accomplish the same functional specifications with new code.

I’m specifically talking about the Lucent Public License.
Indeed.

Lucent Public License is GPL incompatible. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

thx, could not find getopts.h, options.h, getopts_long

That’s really sad. It would take ages to re-implement Plan 9

blog.gnu.org — where is this?

Plan 9 is still Free Software (and Open Source too).

or members-blog.gnu.org?

I think it would be a cool to make a script that strips out all Linus’ code from the linux host kernel so we know what code to rebuild if a fork is desired without his influence and strange software development philosophy.

i mean where is ithe link

What makes it incompatible with GPL? The fact that proprietary use is allowed?

and not “why isn’t it there?”

It would be a shame to start all over on something as big as the Linux kernel, but if it included none of GNU/Linus’ code in it, that might be a good start.

Allowing proprietary use has nothing to do with it. I don’t know the actual reason though, but very probably it has some restrictions that GPL doesn’t have.

It might be a good start for a new enterprise level kernel development fork to completely part ways with GNU/Linus

Stop talking and start coding.

I’m better at managing code monkeys at this points…

Second that

but I have nothing against doing it myself…

Ok, thanks.

lignus?
as it is?

good idea
I’m planning to focus on game dev with Free software

I hope you won’t do it on Linux.

I’ll use GNU/Linux instead
and hopefully, just GNU one of these days…
I don’t see why a person who has so little concern for user freedoms should have such influence. It’s mostly the result of being on the good side of corporations.

If you want a free OS that doesn’t have any Linus-code, go OpenBSD and possibly install some more GNU stuff on it. Just don’t whine about Linux, most people are happy that we have such a great kernel.

One thing I don’t do is whine.
I’m not happy with what most people are willing to settle for.
and it’s not so great.

yeah it’s called ‘doze

I created an appliance with many applications licensed under GNU GPL squid, samba, etc.. If i sell an paid-support
monthlysell support for this

Don’t forget the Mac

oops

I’m using windows right now.

sorry

I just finished Con Kolivas’s interview… can’t most of the big-enterprise-systemorienteed kernel features that render the desktop sluggish just be disabled through compilation options ?

ok]
I created an appliance with many applications licensed under GNU GPL squid, samba, etc.. If i sell an paid-support monthly, i will broke the license?

…. or even not using the latest kernel ?

lbc, one part of that really stuck out to me
“It seems that the emerging challenges for the linux kernel on the
desktop never seem to get whole-heartedly tackled by any full time
developer, and only get a sideways glance when the problems are so
obvious that even those on the linux kernel mailing list are willing
to complain about them.”
Con Kolivas

*con* kolivas
?

that certainly is an issue

hmm… why is it that when a free software project is just about to reach the tipping point, somehow, progress mysteriously stops and efforts are diverted through political intrigue?

/con/con

Selling the software or support is perfectly fine. All you need to do is to give the source code to those who you give the binaries. That is, if you sell an appliance to a customer with some GPL’d software, you need to give them source code too.

hm
thanks

actually, I think you just need to make it available to them at their request, and tell them (in writing) that such thing is possible

off to bed now, thnx, bye all, have a nice [day,night,party,...]

I’m not convinced Linus Torvalds wants to beat windows anymore.

Are you Linus? Here trying to see if we hate you? We love all Free Software just the same, and we disagree about stuff but we don’t hate you

Con has some points about Linux on desktop but I wouldn’t say that Linux is hasn’t progressed on desktop. E.g. linux hosting 2.6 added pre-emption to lower latency. I remember when I switched from 2.4 to 2.6, it was a noticeable improvement.
Linus has *never* been interested in beating Microsoft.

balzac, from what you pointed out, doesn’t it pleas even more in favour of having a “Desktop Guy inside the linux project ?”

computerworld magazine

that’s why the corporate rags elevated his status with all the fawning articles.
because he’s not concerned about disrupting the status quo and protecting freedom.

Don’t spread totally false info. Linus has repeated said that he cares about creating the best hosting *kernel*. He doesn’t care if it is the most popular kernel.

right because Linus is so emotionally invested in creating the best kernel

best means nothing in computer science. something is always best *for a given goal*, implicitely

exactly
best for who? best for Linus’ bank account?

from Con’s interview, it sounds like their targets are large systems where Windows is out of the question anyway, and it’s between Linux and other Unices

Linus’ goal is best in some technical sense, FSF wants primarily best in freedom point of view. Both are valid goals, but different.

in that case, a sluggish Linux Kernel might make more sense because M$ has a lot of money to sugar Free Software communities to misdirect and bog them down.

OK, I have fed the troll enough for today. Night.

I agree to your last idea Larhzu. I alwats accepted giving up features for freedom
some can afford not to

Hey, money is great. I want as much as I can get. But not at the expense of the four freedoms.
i’m just saying, people need to be paying their dues to the FSF

We need to educate them.

not riding Richard’s coat-tails while dissing him

granted… but forking from Linux would be disastrous

There had certainly been Open Source projects before Linux, but Linux was big and successful, and actually changed how people viewed them. Part of that was that secure linux web hosting took a lot more pragmatic approach to what used to be called “Free Software” (and is still called that by some), and moved it from being a fringe and sometimes pretty extreme ideology to be something that was just “technically…
Linus said:
….better”.
Linus continues:
And I’ll certainly take some of the credit for that personally. I dislike the frothing-at-the-mouth ideology (to me, ideology should be something personal, not something you push on other people) and I think it’s much more interesting to see how Open Source actually generates a better process for doing complex technology, than push the “freedom” angle and push an ideology.”
So eager is young Linus to bury Richard

opposing the two doesn’t make any sense, that sucks
freedom encompasses open source,

while he cashes in on the license which facilitated the collaboration which lifted him up from the obscurity of some dorm in some far-away country…
Linus should join the FSF and donate $1,000,000
for a start…

anyway, it’s pretty clear that LT and FSF/RMS ’s goals are not the same since the Tivo/GPLv3 story
hehe
not going to happen
but the fact is Linux is GPL’d, it’s a fact and it factually gives us rights
like the right to fork, but that is so extreme, and probably wouldn’t take on, and if it did, it woudl be at the expense of so much
continuing CK’s work would be far more useful, IMHO. continue issuing the patches, maybe adding a set of pre-defined compile options for desktop machines.

well, a good forking would do everyone some good, I think. It would wake people up and give a fresh start.
disruption and chaos are good. people will eventually settle down again.

But the redundancy… the dissolution of knowledge and competence…
not all chaos is good
that’s simplistic

brb

a part of experienced linux hackers would stay with the Linux project, meaning that much less competence for your new kernel. A lot of stuff would be reused as the GPL allows it, other parts would be modified , creating a whole new set of test matrices. What distribution would be willing to engage so many man hours into shipping this alternative kernel ?
Experienced users would be even more lost, having to make educated guesses about how this forked kernel would react. Experienced users selling their knownledge on the job market would have no interest in switching to balzix.
(which, as you probably guessed, is a way of refering to your idea I forgot to edit out ^^)
Thus, a complete rewrite, with new fresh blueprints would probably create a less horribly confused situation. And it would probably motivate more, attract more energy.

lbc, something new will obviously make the linux kernel obsolete at some point in the future

obsolete for what ?
not all systems will become obsolete overnight.
again, one set of goals ans constraints, one best solution

I just don’t like seeing so many fine minds toiling away without seeing the big picture.
things could be much better, especially when it comes to linux for the desktop and gamers
things will continue to improve radically and accelerate in the rate of improvement
i don’t think the linux kernel will fork, but it isn’t such an abhorrent thought, imho
it wouldn’t be the end of the world if that cult of personality fell apart
I know where I’m betting my chips

how about BSD ? it powers mac OS X, it’s gotta be good for desktop users who seek comfort

that license doesn’t work for me

you’re right
the license is not as good

I’m all about entrepreneurialism with GPL3
and subsequent GPL versions
specifically, in the gaming sector

what’s your PoV on Hurd ?
or even Mach

I’d like to know more about it. I think there’s great value in un-compromised projects.
Eventually, I’m looking forward to running GNU instead of GNU/Linux
I’m tired of Linus Torvalds opinions

does using his kernel imply even having to listen to his opinions ?

I’m tired of GNU stealing all the credits from Linux, Linux is the operating system dammit! FUCK GNU!

ha ha, tech

rofl. without GNU linux would be a bunch of text files

using an operating system is almost like sharing a dream

no linux can be built by many other compilers

when I’m using windows, OSX, or GNU/Linux, I’m getting personality from it.
I’m sick of windows but I have to use it for photoshop and flash

tech, that’s true…

I run Ubuntu at home

… but you are being ironic I hope

GNU is just a bunch of half-decent tools.
Linux is the operating system.

and now I’m pissed to find out from that article by the guy who did the most to make linux snappy for desktop users that he’s quit the Linux Kernel out of frustration.
they froze him out and my ubuntu runs pretty choppy
I blame GNU/Linus for this neglect of the Desktop users.

Dammit you people need to be more recievable for trolling.

okay, tech, I can go so far as to say the kernel is the most technically complicated , skill-requiring piece of the operating system… but it’s not *the* operating system
tech, what ?
receivable for trolling ? I’m sorry, I’m just reading text here, not getting any tonal information

I bet I could manage the development linux kernel. I’m just a web-developer, but I wouldn’t be afraid to try it.

troll intent or not, the discussion is the same

first of all, I can tell who is full of crap. they’d lose their access to make commits to the code repository.

well I wanted to piss someone off.

then the rest would take care of its self.
how hard is it really, to be in the position of decision making executive?

are you being serious there balzac ?

delegate the tedious work, contemplate the big decisions.
yes.
i’m not impressed by Linus’ management of the Linux kernel project.

I don’t think management is that easy. there’s the human aspect of it… the low “bandwidth” written comunication channels such as e-mail
anyway, that’s not the area of discussion I’m interested in

I’m just saying, there’s a point at which the job becomes more political than technical.
it was past that point many years ago.

political in what sense ? no real power is involved …

there’s always someone who is willing to make compromises the next guy is unwilling to make

in exchange for what advantages ?
glory ?

those who compromise can make some money, but eventually they have to prove their value to the collective or cash out and STFU.

I’m not sure I get your point there

well, there are people who do nothing but try to stifle progress, obfuscate investigations, preserve the status quo
they’re at work against social progress in the political arena and against technological progress in the IT sector.
they just get in the way. and they get paid to get in the way.

perhaps the kernel maintainers are trying to keep secure linux web hosting from getting too unstable, and/or too bloated.

or too fast and efficient…
every major free software project has a corporate faction and a free society faction within it

maybe Linus is starting to lack the motivation to make big changes/explore other avenues?

maybe it’s just not a priority for Linus to finish off windows and liberate the users from corporate tyranny…
If that’s the case, I want him marginalized.

that’s a strong accusation, but from the little I know about the man and his project it’s not absurd

balzac, I know some of such guys

yeah, there are still people arguing today that free software is making programmers go hungry
i emailed one of them and asked if he felt silly about something he’d written a year ago…
joel spolsky is one of these guys
Steve Ballmer said free software was a cancer
Bill Gates hijacked Caldera and turned it into a legal torpedo to legally attack the GPL
They think Richard Stallman is a communist because he chooses a somewhat austere lifestyle. what, do they want him to buy a giant yacht like Larry Ellison? They demonize him because he enjoys freedom.

i don’t think that’s the only thing ! The guy challenged the idea of selling copies of your software. That is subversive in a capitalist economy where increase of GNP is the goal

balzac, anyone is free to choose his/her options

that’s what it comes down to

( I probably expressed myself pretty lightly in that last sentence)

gnuherds.org is a proposal under development
not to solve such problem
It is almost ready to be presented to RMS again

great. I really liked reading the word democracy on that page.

and try to move the hosting to the FSF hosts
I like too

I’m not sure I understand what they do…

I think it’s great for business.

I get a translation based on geoloc’ of my IP

I think there’s going to be heaps more money made from disrupting the status quo with more freedom and better software.

Being an association, people will be who take the decisions. I think that is good

online democracy is my main concern
anarchy is good too

e-Vote sucks, anyway showing hand can work, at the expense of losing anonymity
yeah, anarchy move the world and the free software movement

I’ve been thinking deeply about voting infrastructure since 2000

anarchy ?! pleeaase

The e-vote system is for the association. Of course not to manage the FS community

right, a democratic collective with a budget

balzac, I have thought too about it, but left it due to others tasks more importants

to democratically allocate resources
same here. more important tasks like paying rent and buying food.

balzac, I thought some e-Vote system based on a P2P architecture, maybe with the use of ‘Tor’ to get the anonymity feature
Anyway, there is not e-Vote perfect system …

exactly what i had in mind

cool

with distributed data storage like freenet

each peer can check the pooling

your voting client is also a server and a node in the redundant network
exactly

we agree

but only a randomly selected percentage can poll at any given time, because the network latency would be too much if all tallied the vote at once.
no privileged access to the results.
and each person can verify the existence of their vote within the system with their private signature

the latency is not key. The main subject is getting the vote done, and being anonymous and secure
It do not mind it get 5 minutes
gets*
ack about private jvm java server hosting signature
balzac, If all is as expected, and with time, it is planned develop such system. Reference: http://gnuherds.org/development#Roadmap
But there are tasks more important

does anyone know of a half-decent pdf viewer?

davi, I agree

with no 23423423 gnome dependencies

psyche_, kpdf ?

forgot to add
no 324324 kde dependencies

so, sorry, I do not know

there’s epdfview but it is quite bad
evince is nice
but it depends on gnome

nice to talk with you balzac
later

davi, i’ll get back to you sometime i hope
in FSF.org, I’m balzac

great balzac, I am there too, as davi

cool

sorry, only at the IRC channel, not as member of the FSF
balzac, ^

ok, want my email address?

balzac, yes, please
davi AT leals.com is the mine

thanks

balzac, Anyway if the comment is about gnuherds development you can send it to gnuherds-app-dev AT nongnu.org or association AT gnuherds.org

great, thanks

actually, Linux had decent desktop performance till 2.4.9. It got terrible with the new stuff in later 2.4. 2.6 seems to have remedied it a bit, though I never compared to see whether it matches old 2.4…

What happened at 2.4.9?
My first Linux was 2.2.12 but I’m unable to compare because the desktop environments and hardware have changed too.

they changed some major internals. it was actually a disaster; it only got back to production quality after several hasty followups, somewhere around 2.4.17 or so
I also started with 2.2.13 or so
don’t remember wheter there was a difference between 2.2 and early 2.4

I remember something about introducing new virtual memory code or something in the middle of 2.4 branch, but I cannot find info about it.
One must also note that Linux 2.6 has much better SMP support.

probably something to improve server host throughput

Is there an options-builder-tool for cli-programs in gnu c/c++ ?

no sure what options-builder-tool means but optparse?
not*

yes , an RAD tools for the options-parser getopts.h or options.h
something what makes me the code skeleton for the cli options
maybe its a feature of an development environment like anjuta or kdevel

I’ve edited xorg.conf so it has two keyboard layouts, us and ru, but I can’t switch to ru layout. Do I need to restart Xserver?

Yes I believe you need to restart X

ok
BRB

Sorry, my irc client crashed. Is it working now?

-_-
give me a tick
-_-

Not working?

nope

What are your kb settings in xorg?

My xorg.conf file: http://pastebin.ca/674473
Option “XkbLayout” “us,ru” Option “XkbOptions” “ctrl:nocaps” Option “XkbOptions” “grp:shift_toggle”

Option “XkbOptions” “grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll”
And works perfectly for me

BRB

Working?

nope

Pressed alt+shift?

Yep

hmm

No action from the scroll lock LED
baka!

Working now?

no
Maybe I need “Identifier “Keyboard0″”?

Your xorg.conf didn’t open for me, can you repost it to pastbin?
The page never loads

sure
really?
odd

That’s why I used a different pastebin

heh ok

http://pastebin.archlinux.org/ if you want

yep
http://pastebin.archlinux.org/13483
maybe ” Identifier “Generic Keyboard”" stuffs it up

maybe
Your driver is “kbd” mine is “keyboard”

hmm

If this doesn’t work, try asking in #xorg

ah of course
heh
-_-

brb 5 mins

k
xserver crashed _
can’t dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg set up multiple kb layouts?

back. No it can’t configure it for you.

bummer

Your settings are really fine. Do you have another DE/WM installed?

yeah, gnome

If it works there then it’s not the settings

I had it working in gnome on another PC

I’m thinking it’s something to do with IceWM

possibly

lol

Which WM do you use?

GNOME, fluxbox, KDE, XFCE4 heh
all working fine

-_-

Even OpenBox

maybe ill restart this PC

Test Gnome if you can

ok
_
still works fine on my other machine

Yeah, it’s weird

K204K420;
Works fine here

It must be IceWM

Nope
It just needed a restart
No idea why

Really?!

yep

Live and learn!

0_o
crazy stuff
Why not use the scroll lock key to switch layouts?

good question

heh

I might try it later on if it’s possible

ok
How can I use caps lock instead of Alt+Shift?

caps_toggle instead of alt_shift_toggle

ah right

#warning __PRETTY_FUNCTION__, I expect this to cause gcc to emit a warning message “warning: #warning my_function_name_here”. instead I get “warning: #warning __PRETTY_FUNCTION__”

hello
humm, i’m on 64bit and get this error message trying to debug my program:
/home/js/SVN/BUILD/dsgterm/trunk/dsgterm: don’t know how to handle OS specific section `.gnu.hash’ [0x6ffffff6]
“/home/js/SVN/BUILD/dsgterm/trunk/dsgterm”: not in executable format: File format not recognized
does anyone have an idea how this is and how it can be resolved?

how can you tell if a computer has tpm in it

look at the tech specs for it?

NOOOOO DON’T

wtf?
Sick people

http://www.tonymcfadden.net/tpmvendors_arc.html has a reasonable list

I’m not sick.

You will be if you keep licking me.

this gto me is just a repeat of what intel did with the PSN chips

‘psn chips’?

the serial number identification stuff but at the same time intel gave you a choice to disable it

You can do that in the BIOS

that’s not a separate chip, that’s a cpu feature

i finally found something that works..vectorlinux..i know it’s not totally free but it doesn’t have as much of a commercialized feeling to it as ubuntu does
and i t0ook trhe laptop to the conmputer shop and they put xp on my laptop
well whatever it is there are autistic kids who can read 4096 bit encryption like it’s english
oh and TPM was invented in the 1800s