//rpm.livna.org/livna-release-7.rpm”
weird, only 300/1000 megs of memory used…but my CPU usage spikes to like 40% on and off

audaucity is in Fedora audacity-nonfree is in Livna

sort by cpu usage, and if you still can’t see what’s causing the spikes run htop as root.

i am running as sudo
do i need to su – ?

and if you still can’t see what’s causing the spikes it’s probably kernel related
no

pidgin
wow….
what a piece of crap
it is constantly kicking me offline also
can NEVER stay connected
however, i think gaim was the same way

pidgin sucks…wont conn to msn
amsn has no problem though

pidgin connects for AIM and MSN with me, but always disconnects

EvilBob, Thanks, you’er one in a million. The link and the RPMs worked great.
EvilBob++

just ask next time will save you a lot of troble
trouble

holy crap, pidgin alone spikes to 25% CPU usage

some of us even have the repos mirrored in case there is a real problem

does amsn have multiprotocal abilities so i can sign onto AIM, MSN and IRC at the same time ?

a “spike” really doesn’t mean anything, if it stays like that you’ve got a problem

amsn is msn only

forexample I have Livna mirrored on a server in my offfice and on my laptop for development

hummm
well, it spikes on and off every 5 – 10 seconds

EvilBob, Very cool.

i don’t know, i’m seriously having lagging issues…also with applets in firefox….like on yahoo finance page…the buttons at the top of the screen a VERY slow to drop down….

Im using FC6 and when I connect my digital camera I get a new window and can see the paths and files, but when I click on a path I get “Could not read file Could not lock the device.”

after a while and esp after i clear out the cache it’s much more responsive
you may have your pictures locked….check the settings on the camera, or try and view the pics as root

wow you must have lots of space for junk

if root does’nt work, then it’s the cam settings

have you tried another browser (like konqueror)?

4.4TiB in the office about 500GiB accessible from the laptop

yeah, i don’t like konqueror
i’m a firefox guy at heart

l0ckx, you might need to look into named

Very cool — it unpacked a 45 minute MP3 in about a minute — way better than on my 400Mhz Windows machine. Woooooooo!

Hey Harley-D

I’m just saying as a test to see if you get the same issues

EvilBob, hiya

named ?
“named” is the name of an app ?
please forgive me, i’m somewhat new
only been using Fedora for 8 months

hrm I wish I could remember what I did w/ RH6 funny how GUI’s screw sh*t up

l0ckx, named provides DNS also knowed as bind

B-very carefull when you use any bind or dns util…
not for newbs

i dont’ even konw how to use it…there is no man entry for it either
and command not found, nor installable through yum
i don’t even have an /etc/named.conf file
how do you suggest i use this to see if i get the same CPU issues ?

you mentioned that FF would be slow for some drop-downs, I suggest trying konqueror to see if you have the same problem

ahhh
yeah, konqurer sucks
the drop downs are fine, but hte formatting is screwed up
there is text running into each other
i think it’s a java applet…maybe firefox is having problems with java

java is evil

yeah it is java
javascript

javascript != Java

i konw

Does not sound like you do
http://www.dannyg.com/ref/javavsjavascript.html

that reminds me, firefox does not seem to have a helper application config on fedora…anyone know how to tell it how to handle type application/java?
I have JRE but it cant find it and I dont know where the config is for firefox

http://fedorasolved.org/browser

thanks

I poked through a few forum postings but haven’t seen much regarding problems booting 2.6.22 kernels. My kernel keeps panic’ing when trying to book FC6 as a VM in an XP host…

hmm no help that’s about javascript versus java
there is a real application type for java with jre
newegg.com uses it for their live chat
not javascript
in mozilla it can be configured to point at the jre, but in firefox there seems to be no config

helpless
http://fedorasolved.org/browser-solutions/java-i386/

that looks like itmight have the info thanks

Is there an easy way to disable ccache for one thing I have to compile?

what do you mean ccache?

the compiler cache

what language?

C and C++ I think

c and c++ dont cache
they do have temp files though
do you mean avoid using temp files?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Ccache

is there an option in yum to remove a package and all other package that were installed for dependency issue?

ahh, just dont use the option

it’s not an option

often if you set an environment variable suck as with CFLAGS it will override the file options
find out what variable has it set then set all but that one thing in your environment
and it’ll not use it

I’ll keep searching…

one of the Makefiles will have the -E in it
that’ll be the one to set in your environment to override it

ccache = evil

it’s ok, does it come with Fedora by default? I never explicitly installed it

I think its a default ( I think )
under development tools
you must be using flucksbox…lol

why?
cause i keep showing up and leaving?

re-read that, I thought it was a funny lil’ joke

it’s going over my head, sorry

fluxbox is a wm there isnt a flucksbox
n’erymind

so everyone sits around sniffing glue right?
I mean except me
…..

sniff-sniff

i’m suffering titanium expose
aka Sonic Youth

some of use prefer gas, but sure that’s the idea

i predict a teenage riot there

what happened to whip-its

damn, i have dirty boots

lol and these people managed to install fedora sdodson ?

and with my eyes closed..hah!
Headache….

everyone having fun in Fedora-land on a Saturday night?

Blah. I’ve got a wireless card on my box and Fedora’s trying to use it. Aside from removing it, what other options do I have

what do you mean by “trying to use it”?

When I boot, it tries to bring it up and run dhclient on it

it depends on the make/model of the wireless card, and therefore the driver as well

And system-config-network borks on me…

edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0

There it is…
I swear I combed through that folder already… D:

set ONBOOT to no

I’m just moving out of ubuntu and was trying to figure where /etc/network was…

I just installed FC7 and rebooted, however it get stuck up after I see “GRUB “. I think GRUB can’t load because trying boot from Nvidia Raided HD or is in wrong HD in boot order. How do I fix this?

hmmm

can i run a browser accessable SSL Website on a port other than 443?

shore.
but your visitors would have to do https://your_site:your_port/

set the server to listen on that port and direct the user to browse to example.com:4433

is 4433 the 8081 of http?

no
just an exaple, yours was better

i wasnt sure if i could do site.com:port#

of course

and have the browser correctly run secure

yep

i want to run a ssl concentrator on my network and still have public access to my ssl hosting website
http://www.netgear.com/Products/VPNandSSL/SSLVPNConcentrators/SSL312.aspx?detail=Specifications
i want to beable to vpn to my net on any computer without having to install anything on the client machine

Thank you for your help, its appreciated.

has anyone used anything like this?
i need something that will work with a linux machine as the client

sorry, can’t say I have
that’s pretty cool though

i wanna have a secure private hosting channel but i want to let everyone use it….

lol

I’m trying to yum -y upgrade, but I keep getting an error, Cannot open/read repomd.xml, any ideas?

something is broken

Can you be more specific?

what are you trying to achieve?

are you trying to upgrade or update?

transient failure most likely, has this happened over a span of time?

Trying to get yum to work.

from what to what

what are you trying to achieve EXACTLY?

yum -y update?

yum -y upgrade

Sorry you cannot be helped

yum -y update has the same error.

try a yum clean all

Ponders if Pogonip is just rying to update their system?

FYI you should NOT use yum to do a Fedora Version upgrade

sdodson, so you think this is merely a temp error caused by the server?

use of the -y flag is not suggested

if yum clean all doesn’t fix it, yes.

Google says the error can be from pointing at a bad mirror.

nikosapi; yum clean all didn’t seem to work.

Have you messed with the mirrors?

makes sense to me because the repomod its trying to read is the remote site

I think this is a lUser trying to do a “dist upgrade” that has hosed up their yum configs

thats why I wanted to know if he was actually trying to upgrade via yum

that is why I asked what they were doing

perlmonkey2; not that I’m aware of. Is there a way to check?

what are you trying to achieve EXACTLY?

I was trying to install the latest version of mythtv.

LOL
that is funny

egads what repo are you using? atrpms?

EvilBob; when are you typically on line here?

you’re going to get yelled at for using atrpms now. I suspect it’s a temporary problem, try it again later (few hours)

lol… I dont yell, I just laugh

all the time

i was talking about keeping my SSL website up while setting up a SSL VPN router on the same ip

sdodson, thanks. I’m pretty new to Linux, so i’m used to getting laugh at.

kronos003, those are both secure sockets and what is the point if you are going to make them open to the public?

EvilBob; You

Me?

EvilBob; You’re not very constructive and I would like to avoid you in the future.

ssl site yes (web store) SSL VPN – No – thats for my own use and any customer i instruct to connect so i can remotely fix their PC

Pogonip, fedora is bleeding edge and as such different then the other distros and has packages specifically for fedora. by using unauthorized repositories you contaminate the naming conventions used and thus make your system possibly unstable

Just tried to find out waht you were doing

his nick is “Evil”Bob

I have no desire to help those who are not willing to meet me at least half way

lol EvilBob he wants to ignore you in the future… hey Pogonip most of us are insufferable smart asses

lol

most of your problems could have been avoided Pogonip had you taken the time to read the fedora release notes and other timely information

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

but I myself am a serious dumbass so no hard feelings eh?

EvilBob; do me a favor and just don’t help.

kronos003, I like onsite repair

Hey it’s not my fault your parents are related
by blood

EvilBob, now no need to be rude
tsk
dang republicans

Pogonip; i concur
Pogonip; scrolling past the BS, you want to install mythTV?

f_newton; I was using http://wilsonet.com/mythtv as I have done successfully many times before. This is the first time I ran into this problem and I was hoping someone could help figure it out.
f_newton; I was using a href=”http://wilsonet.com/mythtv”http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/a as I have done successfully many times before. This is the first time I ran into this problem and I was hoping someone could help figure it out.

what’s the problem?

really save your self he trouble and install mythdora

Pogonip, I dont use myth tv and I stay away from atrpms because it tends to screw up the install. but… whatever you need ya know?

EvilBob; he asked you not to help him.

and you really think I care?

EvilBob; grow up and don’t type to him anymore.

downhillgames, please be civil. dont anger yer elders

he is welcome to ignore me

i guess the world just hates you, EvilBob.
here’s a “i care” sympathy card
Pogonip; what error are you getting?

having run mythTV on Fedora for the last three years I know what I am talking about

Time out. Somehow this has gotten way out of hand. I’ll come back some other time. Thanks for the help

oh well

lol I dont hate EvilBob …. Pogonip dont worry about it… its just late and egos are running rampant

i do

oooh there goes one now!
lol daMaestro

hi daMaestro
i’m going to bed. i don’t waste my time on id10t errors
night

lol downhill is especially sensitive tonight… did someone stomp on his pet cat?

Oh he’s still pissed from the other day

ahhh you’ve been poking at him eh?

you know how it is, bad advice is bad advice, we all get called on it once in a while and learn. seems he can’t handle that.

who

somedude
lol

so does anyone know the dude what wrote the fedora 7 bible
?

chris?

I forgot to look

I have met him

I ordered the book Friday
it has rhel as well

good evening everyone

even ing
I think it will be a good book to read while away

you guys know of a good distro to learn linux?

and Im sure it will be thick enough to swat flies
fedora linuxnewbiie

ya

use it as a pillow

i have slackware 12 right now

lol yarddog

it seems like its too old

http://fedorabook.com/ wass the book I was thinking of

linuxnewbiie, linux itself is good to know but distros are varied the two basic divisions are debian package distros and rpm package distros I prefer redhat style distros

redhat is rpm right?

Is it possible to upgrade from Core 5 directly to Core 7?
redhat package manager = rpm

rpm is used in red hat
RPM = RPM Package Manager

http://www.amazon.com/Fedora-Red-Enterprise-Linux-Bible/dp/047013075X this one EvilBob

I can run fluxbox on Fedora right? I think that would be better than KDE or Gnome to learn linux..

you should be able to using anaconda
yup same guy

Just asking for another user who is asking me. I don’t use Fedora. But anyways, originally RPM was Redhat Package Manager.

one is tyler the other is negros
how is that the same?
yes n0yd thats what rpm means

Not what I meant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager “RPM Package Manager (originally Red Hat Package Manager, abbreviated RPM) is a package management system”

same guy that I met

EvilBob, I’m just pokin at ya anyway… I ordered the book but they say I wont get it for three to four weeks

Last time I touched Redhat was 6.1, so I still use the old naming convention.

is KDE vs Gnome war just a preference thing? or do certain ppl get more benefit going with one or the other.. I want to mainly use linux to program as I am a comp sci major, should I just go with any gui? or just prompt?

just a preference thing linuxnewbiie but gnome is my preference

sorry for my retarded questions im trying to dump Winblowz XP

it will install gnome on default linuxnewbiie

sweet
i like Gnome too

linuxnewbiie, whatever floats yer boat. dual boot n keep the xp if ya choose

GiMP ftw
im just running XP on another machine since i have an xtra computer lying around

I dual boot this laptop vista/fedora 7 although I am most always in fedora

linux = programmers heaven
ill brb gonna go install Fedora

linuxnewbiie, I thought bermuda was programmers heaven

lol

Hello people. A friend of mine asks me if fedora setup has the support to resize a windows partition & create a linux one ? Thanks

fdisk

Beket, the live cd is what I used to do that

run defrag on windows

yes run defrag first !

He is a total newbie. Do you think that he can make it ? or just use partition magick from windows perhaps ?

Perfect Disk 8.0 is the best for it

Beket, download the live cd iso, convert it, run it and use the partitioner that comes with it
k?

by the way anyone here a part of the Fedora program? (Developing the OS) I am interested in making contributions.. dont know where to start.

youve come to the right place….

thanks, I’ll tell him. Just a quick question: Isn’t that partitioner included in the installation dvd also ? (fedora 7)

there are several here who already contribute and if you visit the fedora website you may find a more direct route
Beket, dont know …. I used the live cd to do it and it was successful

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join

ty bob

thanks mate cu all people. Keep up the good work

dang Im bored
waiting for the next episode of futurama to start
….

hmm installing a fresh copy of FC7 didn’t slove my problem

life loves tormenting me

The booting process always stops at “GRUB _”

thureen, where did you install grub ?

at the default location /dev/sde, it should be first drive that boot up according to the bios

good day, any suggestion on how to create an iso?
ive come to realise that what man pages are missing the most is a real life example written out..

mkisofs

I think will try SUSE 10.2 to see if can still its bootloader properly since FC7 doesn’t seem work

guys anybody facing problem with the new kernel and iwlwifi.
the network applet in the gnome taskbar for my wireless device shows 0 signal strength and then suddenly back to normal strength
this problem started coming after latest kernel update.

Thanks..

Is there anyway to get Fedora 7 in CDs or is DVD the only way?

there is a live cd if you want

network install
or a live cd

does the live CD install as well?

yeppers

yes
and yeah i heard of some guy who uploaded the whole cd set on the internet for f7

how hard is the network install?

pretty hard if you are really a linux newbie

just make sure you have all your info first.

but the most preferable if you have a fast internet connection

is the liveCD install the same as the DVD install?

live cd comes with a preset of packages
dvd provides the whole bunch of packages

live cd is also specialized.. either kde or gnome

oh yeah how can i forgot that.
but wasn’t able to

What’s up, doods.

hey dan__t

helix uses xfce.. its not to bad a environment

How goes it?

yeah but it pulls down some gnome packages that messes it all
great.

Excellent.
Got a few questions which are going to sound pretty dumb I guess.

yah i dont like gnome
does the same with the kde install as well..

shoot. i am waiting to be fired out
no idea about kde don’t use it

This is a decent motherboard, has onboard video, but i haven’t used it much. I use the nVidia GF FX 5700LE.
I use that card for my primary display.

nice card.

I’d *like* to use another monitor on the onboard card to do simple stuff, like logs and stuff during debugging.
But, I can’t “see” it.
lspci shows nada.

may or may not be possible, some MB’s turn off the on board when a add in card is added.

That’s what I’m thinking.

well yeah nvidia maskes the on-bard one

what does bios show you?

Didn’t see anything painfully obvious in the bios.

ah

No, nVidia makes the AGP card.
I’d like to use the onboard for another monitor
doing a dual-headed thing.

sure sure, dual monitors is cool
trying for three tho, makes your head hurt,

heheh

heh

I need to overcome two, before ever doing three.

lol
join the club
so lspci shows nothing but your nvidia

http://bobjensen.com/workstation_2.jpg

Correct.

hate you bob
looks awesome thi
tho

typical hacker workspace there

I have been hearing that a lot tonight “I hate you EvilBob”

LOL

So,yea, guess the BIOS turns this onboard card off huh

id like to see your xorg.conf

it isn’t the evil day EvilBob

could be

yeah i think it has.

yeah you can only use one agp card

Lame.

so one more time if you do lspci|grep video gets you one line

what about two nvidia card ? *just a thought*

oh yah thats it.. the onboard is agp

the on-board is technically agp

And again, the onboard card doesn’t show.
But

yah only 1 agp at a time.. get yourself a nice PCI and you can dual head.

I don’t know if I can use them both, but this nVidia card has both DVI and AGP ports

vga

Yes, sorry.
beer.

tired

I use the DVI for my ballsy monitor and it would be neat to use the other port for this lame lcd

lspci|grep video should show you both ports.
if not then its a simple screen 0 and screen 1 in your xorg file

you can use both on the DVI/vga cards

with the pci port number.

Nope, still just the one. Was wondering if they should be identified as two separate cards off of the same hardware card, or if there was some special driver hackery that could be done.

of course the real nvidia driver does help with that.

hey ARfdee

Ok, well, I guess I’d like to use both of the ports on this card – dvi and vga.
Ah, ok, I need to use that one/
?

you will need the nvidia driver from livna

what’s up

hi

deffinately do some reading on dual head nvidia

did ya finished with the miro problem ?

hi
that was on my laptop, but it mostly works

http://fedorasolved.org/nvidia

but im on my desktop now

i just wanted to know whether it worked for you or not

Alright, that’s what I wnated to hear.
Thanks

evilbob can you share your xorg.conf secrets?

generally, yes, but i seem to have some xorg issue that surfaces sometimes

oh i see.

I use the livna nvidia driver.

yup
just makes it easier
ok im off to bed..

grr

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#Setting_up_a_dual.2Ftri.2Fmulti-head_graphics_card
I think that’s a good starting point.

no
system-config-display
check out the dual head tab

I’ll give it another go, I didn’t have much luck with it.
Well. Now I see it.

that should give you a good start

Sure did.
Thanks
The process seems highly unstable
Yea, the machine just locked up again.
Wow that’s hosed.
Well. After saving settings with system-config-display, I attempt to log out, and the machine locks up.
Anyone ever seen that?

I there. Clamav is scanning my computer and already found 2 virus/problems. Broken.Executable. Is that a virus or some other sort of problem? Is it critical ?

does anyone know where the mythtv channel is? doesn’t seem to be on this server anymore

#mythtv-users?
yea, I can’t do this dual headed thing…

it used to be but it does not exist

For whatever reason, it’s not usable.
Ah, that sucks.

oh it is there, just not in the channel list

heheh

by the way, where is the best place to get ffmpeg and other media player libraries

I just don’t have time to help tonight
livna
I can help you in about 40 hours

Interesting. One of those problems was found in a windows file. Some codec library. vssh264dec.dll
The other is in /Sbin/mdassemble.static

why has fedora 7 not updated firefox to 2.0.0.6?

No worries.

2.0.0.6 was only a security fix for Windows
it contains nothing new on the Unix side besides the version number

thanks for clearing that up

Thanks for the help though.

Well, I did some research and I guess I don’t have to worry about those ‘broken.executable’. They’re just broken executables. No need do download them again.The system is serving well his master No worries

how come when i change my display resolution it just changes the size of my viewport on the same size desktop?
i’m confused. all i want to do is not loose my eyesight without having parts of the desktop hanging off the screen.

I have a TVR card and I’m using TVTime to watch TV. It’s a excellent program but I wish there was some option that would allow recording. Is there any program that can do it? Thanks

man mencoder

/tmp/test_capture.mpg

(ctrl-c to stop capture)

will that work? i would use tzap myself

yeah it works

hardly. only works with cards that tvtime don’t work with

works on my ivtv cards

yes. no doubt about that. but he’s using tvtime. which does not support mpeg cards
you can use mencoder, or one of the media center apps for linux but at least mythtv does not recommend using framegrabber cards for this
dunno about freevo

so this would be like one of the old brooktree cards?

AndyCap. thank you

something like that

i’ve updated FC6 to FC7, now pc speaker ceased beeping, until i load pcspkr.ko module. how do i make it autoload?

hi, I’m in some urgent help… had a system mirror’ed software raid then one disk packed it in. So, set as faulty, removed disk and put a new one in then when rebooting it says ‘GRUB’ and that’s it. Any ideas?

grub was installed on the other disk
reinstall grub, recover grub conf from the other disk
reboot, enjoy

ok….

prompt, then basically run the setup/root commansd?

Hi. I’m trying to mount a NFS drive, and it mounts, but i get “permission denied” when trying to write to it. This is an issue related to fedora as it mounts on ubuntu
Anyone know why it would be doing that?

from root?

Root & user can’t write to it

Quake 4 is not using all of monitor area when full screen…with FC7.

ok. thanks for letting us know.

Do you now how to remedy this?

no, because you’ve supplied no actual information

lol
When default desktop is at 1680×1050 and running quake 4 full screen @ 800×600. A little 800×600 window runs for quake instead of using all of the monitor screen.
Back in the day with XFree, you would just add some modelines.

would you now?
fedoraos.org
check there for some answers

uh…let me guess…you work at red hat in support?

no one here is giving help on behalf of redhat.. the help here is 100% voluntary and free

good evening opsec

you’re free to read what i showed you and alter your approach at getting help though

morning opsec

lmao

oh yeh, it really is morning

hello frozty_sa and Ph0b0s

anyone has a clue why fc6 kernel (or perhaps udev) loaded pcspkr, while in fc7 it doesnt..

have you checked the common bugs area of the wiki?

…surely for me, but for another in the US, it is not. and for yet another in Australia, it would be afternoon. oh the wonders of living on a big ball!

which wiki? google shows info on how to disable module.. i want opposite 8(

lol You do have a point frozty_sa

It is not there
I do not think it was disabled intentially

puzzling…
hm… i’ve notebook with clean install from CD and server updated with ‘yum upgrade’. both dont load module by default
fc6 did

Zart, there is bugzilla for that.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=249124

Good work ByteEnable

aha… thank you
2.6.22 also doesnt include nouveau driver it seems

EvilBob do you know much of Fedora 7 on LiveUSB? Is there a DVD version?

I could have taken opsec approach and not answer the phone.

What are my options as far as encryption?

E-mu: I just install to my USB Drive, I don’t mess with the “live images”

What would be the downside of encrypting my entire /home directory? What package do I need to do it

logankoester, processing overhead.

how bad?

I’m bored.

E-mu: I think I know you, man
E-mu: e-mu.org?

logankoester, http://koeln.ccc.de/archiv/drt/crypto/linux-disk.html

na

logankoester, http://www.debianadmin.com/filesystem-encryption-tools-for-linux.html

damn, way to let me down
You could have at least pretended dude
thanks ByteEnable

np

who are you?

me?

OK, it is 4AM, one more cup of coffee and a Cig then I am going to bed

logankoester you know me from another channel?

E-mu: dunno, is your blog e-mu.org?

I recall seeing an app that would run a movie (or perhaps a v4l feed) on the desktop. Anyone know the app (and can name it) ?

nope

then I don’t

uh… totem/mplayer/vlc/tvtime?

if I understand your question correctly….^ as zart just said

logankoester, the bigger ‘downside’ to fs encryption, imo, is that you need to make doubly sure your backups are good.

please specify a bit further if you need specific capabilities, then maybe we can answer more specifically

EvilBob, immune to caffeine too i see

yeah I was waiting for the Netherlands to wake up

I’ve got everything important on remote servers, I just don’t want anyone getting any of it if my laptop disappeared

important and remote don’t go together unless “local backup” is in the band
important and remote don’t go together unless “local backup” is in the band

morning kanarip

every one’s still up i see

morning pembo13_com

frozty_sa, morning sir
i should head to bed soon

haha…well, sleep well when you do. in the US?

frozty_sa, yup.. CST

CST…….(/me thinks)…….timezone?

yup

frozty_sa, yup

frozty_sa, By Desktop, I mean litterally “Desktop” or maybe “background” would be a better description, but I think that could be confused more. Not as in “on my desktop pc”. Said another way, instead of a static wallpaper, I would like a video feed. I am using Compiz if that is a
factor.

LOL

mkay..what’s it abbreviation for?

Central Screwed up Time

oooooooooooh. see, now I could help you exactly, but sorry I don’t know the answer. anyone else have a clue?
…..poor people in CST zones

frozty_sa, Central standard time
assuming it’s not daylight saving time
been coding C# for th epast 15 or so hours
think i’ll hit the sac soon

Sucke.r
Sucker, too!

CST where the standard is Screwed up

I think I’ll try and get my learn on with some PHP here shortly

jus say no

ah…yes….dst….that confusing and unnecessary one hour jump some countries submit themselves to

If I can manage to un-fsck my desktop.

dan__t, if you don’ know php, i’d learn python first

python, python, python

Python is on the list, too.
I struggle with OOP right yet.

dan__t, i know both.. did php first.. .it’s nice.. .but python is more useful

both?

I have something copying from hard drive to USB. Is there a command to see the progress or some command to see if its still copying? Other than the USB led

christ you are a code monkey!

Well. I’m “prepared” better to dive into PHP.

dan__t, php is getting to be near oop as python
kanarip, ?

I have an asston of PHP books. There’s no reason why I shouldn’t already know it.

kanarip, languages are simple
kanarip, getting real work done is hard

I know about 5….(so far…)

kanarip, i’ve done pascal, delphi, php,python, C/C++, C# and soon java

pembo13_com, right, the languages are easy, the art is in the programming itself

right

I just get lost in OOP land.

yeah..as pembo13_com said. learning the syntax etc is easy. but doing the work is where the tricky (fun) bit comes in

kanarip, oh yah, asp/vbscript , javascript, actionscript also
also hard is spelling

Anyone use UML to assist in the design of OOP-based apps?

spelling?

Moderately OT, sorry.
But you all seem fairly clever.

dan__t, i’ve used it for documentation purposes
frozty_sa, yah, i’m a terrible speller

I’m thinking I need to find some solid standard of design.

youtube runs on python. don’t know of a bigger site that does.

I get lost too easily when it comes to PHP, I tend to micro-micro-micro-manage code to the point where it’s no longer useful I guess.

dan__t, as far as i understand, there are apps to convert UML to code

Naw, I don’t wnat to cheat.

haha….at least you then admit it and try to improve (which is more than lots of people online can manage)

dan__t, that’s not cheating, that’s getting work done

E-mu, use -v next time?

frozty_sa, yah… i can only think devs for spell checkers

hrm.

there’s multiple spell checkers for devs, depending on what language you use you get them all

I think you mean you want to learn it for use to get to know the concept and formalise your programming work a bit more?

Yes.

bugs, runtime errors, compile errors, syntax highlighting

I suppose that not being a programmer by nature, I have difficulty breaking down some code – perhaps in OOP – so that it’s formalized in an OOP manner.

dan__t, pascal is a good language to learn programming
dan__t, if you don’t already have experience that is

so is python actually

Well that’s the kicker. I understand OOP.

is pascal OO?…

I just get lost when breaking down code to “fit” into OOP.

frozty_sa, no… but Delphi is
frozty_sa, delphi is more or less an updated, OO’ed Pascal

delphi was a pita in high school

frozty_sa, the dude who turned me on to linux swears by it
frozty_sa, it was extremely good at RAD

I know delphi (sadly)
true, that it was

frozty_sa, and it’s IDE is what was “stolen” to make Visual Studio
frozty_sa, but the guys behind delphi let it fail… they released a terrible linux IDE for it

hahaha….dude, what did m$ often NOT “steal” for their products?

frozty_sa, who knows..

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=221828 brilliant… thanks for breaking other people NATs 8\

i do

haha

they didn’t steal the idea of _always_ having a gui running

shoot Mark please

….but then….maybe it was just because they couldn’t get it working otherwise?

Zart, i’ll be commenting on that bug

Ah well.
Maybe I should actually do some OOP-ish stuff.

dan__t, do you know basic programming?

Sure, I can hold my own pretty well in procedural PHP.

dan__t, cool

I guess. Wish I were better at it.

only way we ever improve is by doing more difficult things, and given time we do

frozty_sa, the time part is a problem

Yep.

“Live more, sleep less”
^ my tagline

Zart, how is this breaking NAT?

frozty_sa, i like that… body tends to disagree
frozty_sa, i blame my sleeping on cable tv… can rarely get enough to distract me while i code

hahahaha…

used system-config-security-tui, it regenerated /etc/sysconfig/iptables as intended. but there is a rule -A FORWARD -j REJECT
which makes all traffic trough NAT drop dead

cut the cable/plug it out?

Zart, right, but whether the default rule is reject or drop… it shouldn’t be accept

the problem is… there is NO traffic to accept

frozty_sa, nah… watch things like national geography while i code, background noise

and i marked eth0 as trusted and masquarade

Zart, using NAT, there should be traffic to accept, or NAT is useless

i think it lack rule to accept traffic marked for masquerade

ah….for me it’s a constant stream of music

frozty_sa, yah….. i’ve kinda exhausted that.. used to be what i did before
frozty_sa, may inquire as to your library at some point, i need “new” music

Zart, right i get the idea

Ok, I’m going to take another stab at this desktop.
Anyone have much success with a dual-headed setup on any recent nVidia card? I’m trying to use both DVI and VGA outputs, with an extended desktop setup.
When attempting to save the desktop settings, the machine locks solid.
If it has any relation, if I am to turn off Desktop Effects (without the dual-headed hackery), the machine also locks solid.

i use dd to clone my harddisk into remote storage, i try to restore the other harddisk have same capacity. i receive not enought space error
why?

kelvin^9^, because you need to reverse the polarity of /dev/null

how?

kelvin^9^, disks aren’t always the EXACT same size.

ok
so what can i do for it?

put the peddle to the metal

peace

zcat, how do i dd it back to the same capacity?

Zart, commented

kelvin^9^, determine the size difference
i always make sure to leave a little unallocated space at the end of my (raid) drives

oo so you mean, increase the size is the only solution?

kanarip, cool
strangely, comments on bug are dated january…

Zart, that’s true, this is in RHEL already

oh crap… spent two hours to realize that in FC7 samba was split into smb/nmb services

there is no FC7

f7..

Using a dual-head setup, is there any way to force the machine to make one of the outputs the primary output?

hi, when i issue a shutdown command, does the system automatically unmount any usb key or external hard drive plugged ?

vinadelmar, everything gets unmounted

my usb key is mounted even when it’s not plugged in

sexay

opsec, what do you mean ?

think about it.

or just tell me some words about it please

i’ve said al the words which can be said.. except these words i’m telling you right now

so what’s the point in having your usb key mounted but not plugged ?

ask pilot what’s wrong with moya.. .

who’s pilot ?

he communicates with moya

phew… samba/squid fixed

opsec, please dont answer with new questions. or don’t answer at all and tell me to rtfm. that geek talk is a pain

poor baby.

lol

zcat, what’s mounted automatically is in /etc/fstab right ?

mmmm, australian chicks

In GNOME, when some program is not responding, There is an applet that kills. I’m looking for one in KDE but i can«t find. Any help ?

if you don’t find one, xkill will probably do the job for you

were you with me in cancun last year?

xkill is bundled, i think..

– never been there in my life

mmm claudia black.

not convinced about her

claudia black isn’t that hot

InsomniaCity, xkill will only terminate that program or all the other loaded at that time ?

it’ll kill what you click on

it’s more her attitude that makes her hot .. she’s certainly not ugly though either

fire up an xterm, run it, click on the xterm, you’ll see what I mean

InsomniaCity, thanks a lot

that PK tech from S01 was hot

val-at-work, in kde, use ctrl-alt-escape

Hi, does yum keep the rpms that it installs?

If the option isn’t futzed with, yes.

keepcache=1 in /etc/yum.conf

futzed?

but out-of-box default is 0

Ok, well, almost got it right with TwinView.
Kindof a funky setup.

Thanks.
I’m installing 137MB of updates, and have two computers. Really don’t want to download twice.

OK. I got it to work.
Freaking awesome.

alex[slx], so copy over the packages to /var/cache/yum/wherever

There any tricks to viewing a webcam through VLC? I’ve “opened capture device” and set it to /dev/video which resulted in the options “v4l:// :v4l-vdev=”/dev/video” :v4l-norm=3″ but it results in “v4l demuxer error: cannot open device (Connection timed out)”