I malloc three LPSTR variables Fill two of them with RGB triplets from a webcam then take the difference and assign
uskateboards are slow on any but the perfect terrain, it’s actually _a lot_ more energy than walking, injury prone in your ankles and body parts that hit the ground inevitably due to the fact that you can’t just “step off it”, because you’re stood on it, it’ll slip/u
sdfa
I figure that if a bear can manage it …
I figure anything with a reasonably flexible brain can manage it
I keep thinking of Dean Ing’s books, where the characters use a powered version with a extensible handle and seat, brakes, etc
I suppose this is one of the cases where the extreme inefficiency of our motor control sections is a good thing.
hmm, not sure that they’re particularly inefficient
The only good skateboard is a flying skateboard. And frankly, I’d rather have a flying ornithopter.
well, actually – humans have pretty fine control.
I never said it didn’t /work/
I suspect sensors on the ankle/feet and hands would freak out most data-acquisitions.
It’s highly suspicious that neuron count for those sections is proportional to body mass, as opposed to, say, joint count and fine-motor fineness
Well, that’s really just another victim of the /slowness/ of said neurons. Can’t run any loops.
just balancing on our “flippers” is a major chore
well, I’d suggest that it’s proportional mainly to muscle mass
Yeah, but mostly for biological reasons. We’re not /meant/ to go upside down; all the blood-pressure bits have a fixed orientation.
this cd is slow — 18 meg up
Granted, but that’s equally suspicious. There’s absolutely no reason why scaling up a motor means you have to scale up the MCU.
bio/evol anyway.. There must be a shitload of i/o between toes, feet, ankles; fingers, hands and the brain.
and spine
it would if muscle fiber bundles had an ideal range of sizes that were largely independent of total body sizwe
well, that’s the pipeline.. I meant sensors/feedback-motors
all those reflexes that go to the spine and never reach the brain
in which case as body mass increased, the number of control points would likewise increase
Even if you have to use more fibers, it should be possible to have a single control line and duplicate the signal at the muscle side
well, the brain has inhibitory control
well, ou have ganglia scattered about, but sure — it’s not a very efficient scaling system
I wonder about that. Take breathing – I’m always aware of how I’m breathing (as I can remember it if I need to), but I’m not usually aware of being aware.
but it’s very flexible
grafting additional limbs onto frogs, for example, works fine.
That’s certainly true. Brute-force approaches tend to be.
well, I don’t think that it’s brute force
I suspect some kind of broadcast system with coded dispatches
Call it what you like. It’s the same reason why our intelligence works, so I’m okay with it.
what’s the discussion on?
unicycles
C
data-structures and containers 
Massively parallel, slow-frequency CPUs
there are those unconscious reflexes, I mean. such as putting your hand on something hot and your arm shoots out, and where you hit your knee and the leg kicks out
similar to a brain
Yes. Quite.
oh, hey – wanted to ask y’all: Have you ever done so many malloc/free that you “ran out of memory” due to fragmentation?
well, I don’t think that brains are cpus
of course they aren’t
No, they’re not very C
yes, but mainly due to mixing them with mmaps
anyone who thinks so is terribly deficient in understanding even the basics of biology
umm, brains are certainly CPU
malloc/free slice up the address space something bad.
ahhhh
One solution to that sort of workload is to introduce a compacting GC
heh, something baayd
yes, I wondered about that.. Never seen one.
Another is to get a 64-bit cpu; you still get fragmentation but not as badly
(IIRC, mallocs commonly have proofs that they’ll waste no more than 20-40% of the memory they get, worst case)
yeah, Baughn – that’s what I thought
A compacting GC, of course, can drive that percentage arbitrarily close to 0 at increasing cost in CPU time
hmm.. Never seen such for C.
Well, they’re usually implemented *in* C
It’s just that you have to use special functions and tagged data to deal with it
As you’ve already swallowed half the cost of a high-level language at that point, most just use a HLL
it would cost more to use that in C than to implement a HLL…
boehm-gc, of course, is /not/ compacting. It can’t be.
Indeed
Though the cost might be in programmer time. That’s nothing new.
exactly
that stuff isn’t exactly cheap
You could trade off specialization to get a /slow/ gc that /reduces/ programming time
hmm
But given that the programming you’d be trading off is exactly the sort of thing a compiler is good at…
well, when it gets too slow that also wastes programmer’s time…
I doubt it’d be that bad, for most purposes
well, I was thinking of a shell anyway.. Maybe I just need to step-off and review i/o
It’s just, well, useless. You could use a better language and improve on C w/GC in all respects.
well, c (gcc) is my “assembler” – That’s done and given. I just was worried whom could do which to where, whom and why.
well, speciali purpose GCs aren’t hard to do in C.
just do the GC within an opaque structure
no, I imagine it’d just be an interface and abstraction
right
It’s /supposed/ to be totally transparent, but C isn’t good at abstractions
“OK, here comes input – oh, look: I #include…” etc, and then interpret-alloc vs “this is compiled”
yes, this is now the choir
was up
I believe my serious issue is in dealing with fopen vs open and friends and simply admitting everything is char/octet/byte-based. Instead of “words” and “lines”, etc
btw, how many levels of #include are allowed by the stds?
42.
for real?
usually, it’s a power of 2
oh, yer just being cute.. nm
moi? cute?
I have a function that returns a char* and its used like printf( “%s”, getCurrentTime()) and its returning the wrong data
I’d say its what ever your stacksize/sizeof(void*);
does linux use clr
does linux use clr
clr?
I bet you returned a pointer to a local variable
PoppaVic, 15.
common language runtime
Auris-: ok, so 16 is the std “limit”
what am I doing wrong then?
Randy, is that a proper noun ?
I thought so, Auris- ..32 and 64 sounded quite extreme
i dont know
I suggest you find out.
ok
why do you use so many verbs
if you had a book, and you had done the exercises, you’d realize that C has no idea about “a screen”
Can I give you more info for some help?
nope
i see
Is there anyone here who can help me understand?
!book luke_
you just need the right compile lol
luke_, understand what?
I have several books but this is a specific question
books cover all the knowledge you need.
I beg to differ like I said I have several books
I would 100% expect that those books and a few tests will save you
either that, or those books blow, or you are just lazy
you can’t return local allocated variables, out of scope, do you use malloc ?
luke_ “its returning the wrong data” have you feed it the right info ?
your very quick to judge.
I am old, too – I’ve seen most everything.
Ok here is how the function works. It returns a char* but I put the return variable into a char[]
you have a prob, you want our help, and you can’t form a decent question.
Now when I used a char* the data is truncated but when I use the char[] it returns a pointer
uNow when I used a char* the data is truncated but when I use the char[] it returns a pointer/u
yeah, I’m mean – and everyone that has asked you has told you the clue you need.
luke_, dont ‘read’ the code at me, that is what paste bins are for.
any good sites on creating makefiles for linux compilers?
makefiles??
Randy, which linux compiler are you talking about ?
If this room is for C programmers and help why are you here. All you seem to do is make fun of others. Perhaps if you so old and seen so many things you would be more helpful rather than condesending
gcc
well, I can ship you an example
gimme’ an email
is the variable OUT OF SCOPE?
why papa let me create a yahoo one hold on
Randy, then ask in #gcc or #gnu
it could be.
right thanks
zaps
sorry
this is a common issue with wannabe: we are NOT here to replace your books, practice, manpages, class, google, etc.
all I need is a mailto
it “could be”? do you not know, and if it is, this is the problem, like I told you before you decided to go all whiny
/msg me if you can
luke_, pastebin your code. and we will find the 1st problem, and direct you on how to help yourself to fix it.
ok give me a few minutes
Do I paste it in here?
No.
Where is the pastebin?
/topic
paste
I’ve a tarball that works for linux and osX, demonstrating a static, static-lib, shared lib and plugin with “hello world” If you change anything, tell me.
ok
It has been posted
paste the link, please
http://rafb.net/p/gWb6cm33.html
aw, I was hoping no one would ask
‘return thing the wrong data’ isn’t specific
hah, I called it!
on top of that, it’s c++ even
luke_ ##c++
Yes I know
what is the extent of an array?
for what duration of time does it exist?
Well the char* is returned to a printf function
luke_, what is the scope of ret? as juanmabc had pointed out _hours_ ago ?
I am not sure.
where does that char * point?
to a temporary variable.
do you understand scope?
wrong
it points into the array ret.
Yes but in this sense with C++ and C the scope may be different
no
when does the array it points into get deallocated?
hehehehaha!
Pappavic, thunderstruck1337@yahoo.com
Ok help me to understand.
ok, give me a sec here..
“may be different”. yet another random coder.
Read about variable scope in your book.
answer my question
Here is the problem
your problem is that you are too stupid to answer questions.
please come back when you are more intelligent.
Technically the ret variable should give a return and then be deallocated after the printf function executes
so, where is that pointer pointing?
you need to allocate dynamic memory with malloc, and free it when you’re done, that in c
Says who ?
you should see an attachment asap
printf( “%s”, getCurrentTIme())
and why do you think it should be deallocated after printf?
do you have a book on C++?
Yes
read it — your ideas are wrong.
read about scope and extent.
i’ll check it out when i get home
I will thanx Zhivag. BTW try not to be such pretentious jerks. Its my advice to some of you. Stupid is a term only used by those who are.
yay, advice.
)
I suggest that he be pretentious enough to spell “it’s” properly.
what I did was write it to test osX, at all levels – then share it around for linux folks. I’ve been adding to it as needed,
lol
I don’t think your comments are contributing to the channel
I think OBVIOUSLY by speaking unprovoked to such a distinguished person as Zhivago you have demonstrated that you are INCREDIBLY stupid. Emphasis on stupid.
well, it’s a pair of dead-stupid makefiles with a set of sourcefiles that just do the same things in different places.
i noticed
as you said c has no screen
but C can scream
i would agree if i knew more about it, i need to study more
Uff
Well, Randy – foog luck with it.. At least I tried, If you try, you may get lucky
foog/good
i might
Randy, the chapters in your book are ordered for a reason. Do not go to chapter 2 under you understand chapter 1.
bRandy, the chapters in your book are ordered for a reason. Do not go to chapter 2 under you understand chapter 1./b
putting down this deitel book, physically falling apart in sections. I’m just going to start with k&r.
worse – he wanted makefiles – in ##C
sysfault, the book is falling apart?
yea, it’s in bad condition.
c how to program 3rd edition, had it for a while. I bought it used anyhow.
glues and clamps. binders
I’ll just start with k&r, and read programming pearls after it
C is… interesting
By itself, it’s simple as hell – and useless.
sysfault_, you’ve got the book, download the PDF of it… its not stealing, its format-shifting.
Implementation, and getting familiar with the standard library is when the fun begins.
yeppers
Bothering to care HOW is the bitch
uf
At some point you end up screaming “FUCKIT – just do this, you silly bugger”
with mailing lists, faqs, testing, documentation, time and you guys, I’m ready..
for what
To learn C.
“Hello, world”.
Hello, wSegmentation fault.
And to use it officially and productively when and where needed. I’m a python evangelist, but I know the advantages of learning C. Any system administrator should at least have basic knowledge of the language.
I…’d disagree
hey
im trying to compile a program that uses the getch() before exiting
9: error: conio.h: No such file or
what header do i need
isn’t conio a library from old C compilers mainly used in DOS?
no one learns C without the blood and sweat and tears.. Really.
exactly, time.
yeppers
the “exercise” of the “learning”
This connection depresses me.
is it better to start learning C or C++ ?
better?
well, they blow – replace it or suffer it
YES – now go away
I don’t plan on being a knowledgeable and productive C programmer without time and experience. I have the rest of my life, and as long as I’m capable I’ll better myself. Until the day I die actually…
well, when you stop learning/appreciating: yer dead.
why ? whats wrong with what i said/asked
pretty much.
define “better” unambiguously and we might answer your question.
better for a beginner to c/c++
easier
that’s still pretty ambiguous. we don’t know how you’d plan to learn or what you want to do with either language.
uthat’s still pretty ambiguous. we don’t know how you’d plan to learn or what you want to do with either language./u
you’re learning c?
is there a K&R pdf on the net ?
he seems to want to be _aware_, as far as “well shit is happening as I manage the system”
for download
It’s not a “bad thing” to at least be aware of basics.
brb
wb
tanks
well, at least I don’t bounce in and out every couple minutes
hah, indeed.
still doing anything interesting with pike, or to the pike language
?
no.. It was interesting, and think it has a future though
K&R states “… not an introductory programming manual; …”, if you are learning to program also, I recommend C Primer Plus. Do all examples, exercises, etc.
hmm, must be the new version
this still presumes someone reads, eh?
;[
It states that in the preface to the first version, in the second version
uIt states that in the preface to the first version, in the second version/u
Thats where a lot of my focus is going to be, to the development of pike.
not one iota of that is wrong or bad
well, I wish you well. I was not seriously "over the top" impressed, but you may well have better luck.
I'm prolly too damned old and ossified to bother
did you see the benchmarks? The only thing pike lacks is a true user base, it has a vibrant developer community. Libraries come with contributions......
twot is pike ?
that's all nice, except you are expecting _me_ to be swayed by statistics and ideals for kids that still can't life w/o a videogame.
life/live
pike is another shell/interpreter, that is semi-portable, and talks near-C
((SoundWorld*)soundworld) = (soundworld is of the type void*) what is wrong with this case please ?
Hey
hello
i only ask because 'pike' in google does not seem to list it on the first page. which makes me think it must be non-popular.
I'm 20 years old, been through through a lot of trials and tribulations, more than the average actually, your stereotypes surely don't apply. Pretty serious about what I want...
it's another semipopular language
I've over double your age, and I can remember
as it goes, it's pretty nice.
;o
sysfault, what do you see as the main advantage of Pike compared with compiled C ?
I'm not young enough to care, however - and if it ends up Ruling The World, I can deal with it
â/join #python
it's an _interpreter_ - nteractive
interactive
I never argued advantages, just interests...
right
I find many interests. Every day
If I did not find ##C "interesting", I'd not be here.
You can't fault someone for "interests". You might disagree with them, or worse - but nothing mandates we all agree or like each other in this format.
sysfault, im not looking for an argument.
I should shower..
It's been a while.
I find the tv show "Weeds" interesting..
Pike is sorta' interesting.. Im suprised you can't find it and it's not grown in audience.
that's nice. I also like reading.
nothing is wrong with it in particulars
Certainly all material you read doesn't interest you..
indeed, found the error .. twas another statement on the same line, thanks
this is why I have a box for "get this the hell out of here"
oic
good evening
evening
I don't follow
Part of the growth process, we hunger.. Some languages are more keen. If pike's statistics, language structure, and language capabilities through easy idioms, to other languages, I'd say it knocks most out the box. It doesn't seem to be a real opinion to me anymore.
kioto is a place in japan, is it not?
I like what I like, and what interests me may not interest another: I can try and discard easily, but respect everything folks like (except Romance Novels)
that was directed to your last statement to me PoppaVic
kyoto yes
well the ones before last.
Heh, my mother is across the room firing employees over the phone.
well, if you like something, use it/read it. As long as you harm no one else.. Where is the harm?
jp
I read Learn Programming in Ten Years before, found part of it interesting, stating that one learns piano with instant feedback (you press the key, you hear the note)-- you don't play the whole song and hear it after you've finished playing. likewise, it proposed, learning to program should
be the same; use an interactive language
right
This is why I recall the tp/tc and forth stuff quite fondly
aye
feedback is part of learning
Aer u learning how to c?
I read a bit of that learn programming in ten years thing..
interesting aside to that is some compiled languages support interactive prompts, like Haskell
It's not as though you have to submit a stack of punched cards and pick up your printout later. compile times are usually negligible now.
I just put it on my Sony Reader and read it all
What is a sony reader?
Does anyone which languages have never been made into interactive form?
Attempting to.
What are you reading?
(Book)
which is interpreted
it's a hand-held device with an electronic-ink screen (some clever tech. to simulate ink on paper) for reading books
has there been an interactive version of C?
deitel's book (c how to program 3rd edition). It's falling apart however, I have a copy of k&r beside me however. Been reading through the faq alongside..
Ah
some have attempted it yes.... C-shell has a "free lite version" which can actually execute some C programs, one line at a time
caught contact, darn marijuana.
I have Deitel's C++ book... didn't like it much
I believe that part of the issue is that folks will _not_ admit that "interpret" is the converse of "compile"
Here's what I did when I learnt C: Read the k&r, read it again and do the exercises, write/read a lot of code, work on other things
It's a rather simple transition; You just have to commit.
http://www.softintegration.com/docs/ch/shell/
I suppose as long as you can interpret it, you can run every sequence point literally. which would sadly mean it wouldn't protect you from fucking up, and it would crash if your compiled program would crash. but I think that would just be realistic, if all you wanted was to try an interactive
version of C, say, for learning
C is a rather small language -- so a rather small book like the k&r would satisfy the request of learning basic c
Folks still don't "get it"
You can read 100,000 books and still come out with the same knowledge; It's what you implement that makes it all come together.
scroll up...
I can read a thousand books on hunting or reloading: neither make me a hunter or reloader.
practice might
Cin, did you check it out? What do you think?
nice
I have a friend, who learnt C purely from studying source.
I'd rather not scroll up right now.. I'm not really in the mood of reading lines.
hunting is fun.
We should go hunting for deer sometime; and cook it in your backyard
It's an interesting enough thing to check out.
nothing beats gcc, however, of course.
well, we cook in the house or out of the yard/garage/bbq: the hunting part is more amusing.
Yeah..
yeah, if I want to test something in C I've got a small script to compile something and execute it like $ ceval char *foo = "hello";
uyeah, if I want to test something in C I've got a small script to compile something and execute it like $ ceval char *foo = "hello";/u
I can read a cisco book, but if i never had any routers or any type of simulation, would i know networking?
RadSurfer, that Ch shell is not C. if it was, you could copypaste C programs into it and it would work.
1) I refuse to freeze; 2) don't "stalk"; 3) won't chase game; 4) I can match or outshit any sib, and help prep the meant, but refuse to freeze or hurt myself.
Auris-: he wasn't claiming it was
IT does!
You'd know the terminology.. but you really need to implement things properly, to gather a complete, concise understanding.
... if they are "simple/compatible" enough, they do work.
I can tell you about the is-is, igrp, eigrp protocols, but I've never worked on a cisco router.
Most any standard C-expression does work.
I'm aware of what it takes
I've used it for a while
Yes, but it's much like driving..
sound like "experience" again
I agree, its more of a curiousity than anything else.
believe it or not, I'm not agnostic nor ignorant of that fact.
You know where the ignition is, the clutch, steering wheel, etc.
maybe we need to say "suffering" instead of "experience"
You can read up about it.
you're discussing quales
But you really wouldn't know how to drive, until you drive.
yep
No matter how much you know about engines or what not.
right
did i ever say documentation was enough?
Did I?
that's what you're implying to my argument
no, but draichis is pointing out an issue that many, many people believe.
a woman can live in a dark, black and white room and watch a black and white TV for years, and understand everything about colours, how they interact with the brain, etc. but when she opens the door of the room to see the colour red, does she learn something new about the colour
red?
wasn't really an argument, more like a dialog.
yeppers
he made a _point_ of an "issue"
Intricate implementation in things such as programming is a requirement to become a greater coder
She learns that it's red.
there are all life issues that im aware of, it just doesn't have to be applied to C or programming at all.
yes, she learns what it's like to experience the colour red
what if what we agree is "red" is not what either of us _see_?
Then we'd have a big problem.
Reality.. What a concept
Reality is just a state of mind..
I think that's a pretty irrelevant topic, don't you?
why? Folks do it every day
Then they have nothing better to do, really..
Arguing over what 'red' actually is, isn't really development in my opinion.
not really. They are shooting at the underlayers
yep, I agree
Eitherway, all colours are made up of certain primary colours.
Red, blue, green.
it's pretty inconsequential that what we agree on to be "red" might actually be different in eachother's experiences of it
If I see blue, I just see blue - what you sent me is BLUE.
I can't change my own HW.
Only if you see it as 'blue'..
no, it leads up to the idea of agreements
if we have no control over the agreements, then it doesn't matter
it also suggests layers and interpreters and compilers: we don't give a shit how the job is done, we just want it done.
Somewhere along the line, I think folks decided they could "hide the source" with "binary libs/objects" that allll, magically, could never be decompiled.
int grad3[][] = {{1,1,0},{-1,1,0},{1,-1,0}} . . . copied from some Java code… but I don’t know how to specify its type
Somewhere in that clusterfuck is where folks heads are. Saving size is a given, saving time is another.
Hodapp, so what’s wrong with that?
Auris-: error: array type has incomplete element type
this is getting old.
no shit
int grad3[][3]
heh
It’s my theory that certain people see colours differently; Some may see blue as a kaleidoscope of rainbow colours…
Auris-: tell him to instal cdecl
Hrm, lag.
you tell him!
What type is grad3?
Magic.
it’s a boring, irrelevant theory
it doesn’t matter, except at a HW level – because you are raised to agree with externals.
I agree with Cin on that.
So, why are you asking?
What? I was asking how to specify it because I didn’t know. Auris- told me.
Yes, what type is grad3?
the hw of the “optic nerve” could vary, the brain translating could vary – all we care about is that “this is a ‘blue’”
it’s an array of (array of 3 ints).
the FUN part is when you start grouping/generalizing and shit works.
/because we are told “generalizations are BAD” ;-
Meh; I’m going to have dinner.
stay well
hehehe.. The silence
did I get draichis’s question right?
yeah
sup people
bonsoir à tous
frenchman.
printf(“shiver in eternal darkness/n”);
lo. cartucho
I seriously hope that awesome muscian is not a C programmer
sup pop
barfh coming back from work, im making pizzas hahah
here? today? comparisons? Don’t scare me.
another amusing day.
yep at least i ate some peperonni pizza aahah
man, I do NOT miss “food service”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf%28%22shiver_in_eternal_darkness/n%22%29%3B
every day is Eternal Darkness – and I suspect the endgame will be worse.
maybe because you are calling malloc with 0 ?
heh who cares what the name is
most album names are just meaningless bollocks 
I worry about names and words every day
your crash(-1) crashes ? :p
isn’t size_t unsigned?
I can tell
yeah it is
yeah but whats the catch, you are allocing 0 bytes, and trying to use it.
i think it’s the same as `unsigned int’
well, all I have are my eyes and ears for commo
how buf[0] will work if its 0bytes ?
non he’s not trying to use it because malloc would return null
exactly
its working ?
this is undefined behavior.
anyway, I might as well call it a knight. Everyone stay well!
but the program would not work if size_t is unsigned
if size_t is unsigned
and i try to use -1 as a size_t
and add 1 to it
will it be 0?
i always forget how signedness and all that two’s complement shit works
you just can’t call a function that takes an unsigned int with a negative int
am i wrong ?
you are.
the negative value will be converted to unsigned.
lol
cartucho is right
alright then compile with Wall would stop you from doing shit ?
it ends up as a 0
which malloc accepts i seem to recall reading
neumbeuroin1, warnings are not errors.
yeah
like in the openbsd man page
compile with all warnings and warnings as errors
it says if you pass it 0 it’ll return an address
i.e. no null
but if you try to assign to it, segfault
i guess glibc does something completely retarded
cause it doesn’t crash instantly
but hey, what’s new
freebsd crashes instantly as well
i havent followed the conversation but why would anybody want to do something like pass -1 as a suize_t?
no, you are retarded for mallocing a block with size 0. 
thats asking for trouble
yeah, thats retarded too.
and function returning an error is not a crash.
i am writing a program and like to test with weird values
ah.
a little hint
i am always asking for trouble, i thrive on it
is there an efficient (less then O(n)) way to count the bits set in an int?
use assert statements liberally
to make sure values are always in range of what’s expected
when a function expects double* as a parameter, how can I insert a pointer of a double for it
of course I could do double* bla;bla = &realdouble;functionwhichexpectsdoublepointer(bla); but is there a shorter way?
& is address-of notation
http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html
when testing/debugging or in general?
would this be a pointer arke?
yeah
just the address of it?
ah great
I’ll try it
Auris-, thanks
double myDouble;
foo(&myDouble);
kk
arke, it is better to make your functions not crash on any input, but asserts can be used in testing to see that your values are usually correct.
Auris-: well yeah, that too.
ha, wow, this song has a 11/4 time signature
Auris-: although there are rare cases where its better to not litterl the function with ifs
uAuris-: although there are rare cases where its better to not litterl the function with ifs/u
sure.
I’m incompatible with anything but 4/4 it seems.
i prefer doll, doll, doll to shiver in eternal darkness
all vsnares stuff is good though
my favourites are Cavalcade Of Glee and Dadaist Happy Hardcore and Rossz Csillag Allat Szuletett
oh yeah rossz is awesome as well
xD
did you know he learned to play the voilin and trumpet for that album? 
i don’t really remember much of cavalcade, maybe it didn’t make much of an impression or maybe i haven’t listened to it much
nope
cool
Donuts is the 11/4 track, pretty amazing track (from Glee)
some of the tracks of winnipeg is a frozen shithole make me LOL
/q
i don’t seem to have it
which is strange, i could have swore i did
i meant winnipeg is a frozen shithole
oic
hmm
I think my cvar system deserves a rewrite
i’m listening to donuts now
have you heard hospitality?
nope
!!!
:O
is it good then?
of course
I’ve got 8 albums of his
he’s so damn prolific, 16 albums
indeed
Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems
lame
looks like he’s released another 2 albums since hospitality
its been like that for a while now.
madness
wh ois “he” btw?
yeah, a while as in years
venetian snares
one or two years I think…
I remember when it was openprojects instead of freenode.
aye, pink + green and my downfall
me too hehe
“opn”
i hardly irc at all now
I’ve been on freenode for two years now
i kicked the habit
6 years and going strong
IRC is too full of interesting people not to be on it
indeed
Aint dat da truthe
although sometimes I wish it were more consolidated
what does that mean?
I’m on 3 networks at the same time :/
because some people are there, others are here
etc.
if they could just all come to freenode…
now you’re talking!
#ModernCalcs
hehe
i prefer to actually get stuff done :-/
which i have enough trouble with as it is
there are too many ways to procrastinate
and we learn more
well, you might use IRC to proctrastinate, but others may use it for entertainment/education/help
IRC is my eyes/ears to whats innovative and new
I usually hang out in the channel of the language I’m currently learning
it’s mostly crap though
just trivial stuff
i mean there are better ways of being entertained
or educated
help it’s good for
wikipedia
IRC/Skype/Gaim, what else is there?
i could read wikipedia for hours
books
films
RadSurfer, R/L?
here here
Left-brain,Right-brain?
speak for yourself
that’s all i can do
Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
Earth. Sol.
hello
this works fine, but should i find another way to output an error? png_infop end_info_ptr; png_byte png_header[PNG_HEADER_SIZE];
err… sorry
aaaanyway
thanks for the help guys
http://rafb.net/p/yOe2Ex23.html
enjoy hospitality Cin
should i just use errx()?
tatty bye
you could return an int and use defines such as NO_SUCH_FILE and INVALID_IMAGE
or use an enum
oh, good idea
thanks
np
Okay so if I am working with MySQL inside of C and am having trouble with one of my functions, would I ask in here or in the mysql channel?
TheNo1Yeti, hard to say.
TheNo1Yeti, buddy be more verbose with your question. if yuo have some code, paste it and then ask the question. noones gonna answer the kinda question you just pitched
elizaWhy do you think, you have trouble in one of your functions?/eliza
anyone worked on a virtex-4 before ?
don’t know if I should be asking this in #c or in #c++….can I create a library in C++ that I can use from a C program? Is it straight forward?
yep, i’ve done that in windows before, if you export objects the function names are going to be all mangled
and you need to worry about passing in a this ptr, etc.. etc..
yeah, well….basically, I have a small library right now that holds a static double dimension array and there are functions that are just nested for loops that go through searching for stuff. I wanted to use C++’s hash tables
The interface would still be the same, I’d pass in C Strings (character arrays)…..just the implementation of the library would be different
Are there any Cross-platform C++ GUI library that has native look ‘n feel other than wxwidgets?
sorry… wrong channel… that would be on C++
Okay so http://rafb.net/p/S1Dj8y89.html is the relavent code and the output that gcc is giving me.
As far as I know I am using mysql_store_result & mysql_real_query properly.
And I am rtfm btw too.
there’s insufficient information there to come to any diagnosis
at a very vague guess, you’ve incorrectly declared mysqlconn
http://rafb.net/p/HlwJnC34.html is the full function. And mysqlconn is just declared as MYSQL mysqlconn; in my mysql.h file
a google shows me that mysql_real_query requires a MYSQL * as the first argument
Hrm, it seems I was just outsmarted by an asterisk. I just redeclared mysqlconn as MYSQL *mysqlconn; and it compiled flawlessly.
Thanks.
well, it may compile, but that’s not sufficient to make it work.
I suspect you are not up to speed on pointers.
Actually I just changed it around completely again.
I took a look at how I had originally done the basic db connection and found I had used mysql_real_connect(&mysqlconn……) and had mysqlconn declared as MYSQL mysqlconn;
That’s more like it.
Yea, that’s what I get for starting a project at 2am, getting halfway done and then deciding I would think better after sleeping
Regardless, I appreciate the help Quartus. Thanks
My console pong is slow.
Maybe I should try partial redraws.
Sure thing, TheNo1Yeti.
But that might make it worse because it takes forever to move the cursor around.
where can i get a coy of gnu c?
copy of gnu c?
I tried googling it
you could install a Linux distribution
i dont have linux
or FreeBSD or something
Really. You googled it.
get mingw
yes i found a site with quite a few gnu programs…but I can’t seem to find it on the site
I was just saying that you could install linux
*very* first link google returns, choose Binaries under Downloads.
It’s a pretty low hurdle to clear.
hi, how to determine the size of the file?
stat()
SamB…linux would be a listtle late now
i found a way, just i don’t understand how it works
fseek(f, 0L, SEEK_END);
len = ftell(f);
that’s not portable
neither is stat
you’re moving to the end of the file and then you’re getting the file position
puuh, someone know of an editor/ide for windows, which can highlight enabled/disabled code sections?
enables/disabled how?
I am running in circles…
if it is a text stream, the contents of the file do not necessarily translate to byte values and if it is a data stream, then you may have padding at the end of the file which would return an inaccurate value for your purposes
so i guess this method is faster?
Auris-: per preproc
i can’t find a binary mirror site for gnu
kessel3, what? #ifdef FOOBAR ?
all i find is gnu files
duncwood, then I strongly suggest you give up; you will be unable to use it even if you find it.
Auris-: yeah, like this
No I have used it in the past..
I just have a new computer
its’ incredible
If you really cannot find a working copy of gcc from that page, you have failed the IQ test.
??
kessel3, well, I don’t know such things as I’m not even a windows user, but your ide would have to know compile time settings, which it could only do if it knew the compiler and project files.
I have found it..
now for installing it
Auris-: most (if not all) of the defines are in headers
kessel3, but the ide can’t really be sure.
Auris-: except of some embedded extensions and register access its all plain C code
with lots of configuration #ifdef’s
kessel3, you might know that, but can the ide reason it out?
actually we do not put defines on the compiler command options, so, if its parses the headers it should be fine
for your special case.
there’s a reason why most static analysis software hooks into the actual build process–it needs to have all the information that is available at build time.
I suppose the IDE could list all defines that may affect compilation and ask the user what their values will be if it can’t find them in the project’s files.
btw what ides do you use for development with c?
emacs.
I don’t like mousing around.
Auris-: or if one could define compiler specific defines as option if it doesnt know the compiler
slickedit or codewright a
ups, at work i wanted to add
well that was work
i got gnu c up and running
sometimes, i use sourcenavigator to see include dependencies
i should of never installed windows xp on this computer
did you get MinGW or what?
MinGW
just so I can use a stand alone program in Octave
gee
mmap is used in malloc, right? But does the stack have to be mmap’d by the process to?
*too?
dunno.
why would you care if malloc uses mmap? this is AFAIK depending on the platform anyway
If you wrote an app which just had “int i = 11;” as its only code in main, and compiled it for a Unix, would it run on windows? (Disregarding the different linker file formats)
x86 linux, to be sure
you mean could you link the .o file for both Linux and *nix?
er.
Linux and Windows
sorry
Yes, and executables too
you have to recompiler for linux/windows
Is there anything in the code which is compiled (not the file format) which is OS dependent? (If, of course, you don’t call any OS dependent functions)
well, the .o file might work.
the ELF executable will NOT work on Windows, and you’d need WINE to run the PE…
I said disregarding the file format
that is something I cannot do
If you dropped the machine code from an ELF into a PE, would it run?
depends on a lot of thigns
probably not though
Like what things?
(assuming it’s an executable…)
well, basically on how much information is left in the ELF and on how much ABI gunk has gotten involved…
and then there’s those wierd underscores…
heh
What about the iBCS?
grab Quartus
grabbed Quartus.
hi guys, i need to create 2 programs, one for a windows box and one for a palm. Can i create a c program for palm?
anyone could tell me if i can compile a c program in a palm?
Probably, but you definitely can’t use the same source for both
You could use Java, though. Then it would work on a number of mobile devices
I malloc three LPSTR variables. Fill two of them with RGB triplets from a webcam, then take the difference and assign it to the third. The third should be filled with low values since the first two are extremely similar. However, high-value “noise” randomly crops up – could it be that my data
is being overwritten by another program?
sure you could use the same source for both
does palm support java?
you just have to have pieces that are for just one or the other…
possibly libraries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface I suggest reading the last paragraphs
Palm supports Java
so i can compile c program in palm
Only if it didn’t have a GUI!
cool
eh?
last question, how can i sync data from a program in a palm to a program in desktop for example? would i be easier in c or java?
what kind of palm program hasn’t got a gui?
You can’t use the same source code for both windows and palm os!
you certainly have to be creative
Ok. Thanks.
Zeiris, have your program detect those unwanted values and printout useful debug information.
Zeiris, and no other program can overwrite stuff in your program’s memory area. (unless you have shared memory).
Aight. I’ve got the debug information, I just don’t see any way to make it useful.
like printing the two original values are trying to see if they somehow lead to the weird value.
s/are/and/
maybe you are subtracting unsigned values and underflowing.
you have some code examples of that?
LPSTR .. is this some kind of char* ?
LPSTR seems to be a char* windows-style.
LPSTR diffLine, then I just use diffLine[i] to access bytes. First byte is 0.
char a.b; and you think this fits an RGB value?
a – b
It fits an R, G, or B value.
what is the range of an RGB value and what range does a char have?
RGB is three bytes, char is one byte? Three chars in a row make RGB.
wow you’re smart
Is there something I’m missing here.
RGB is afaik 0..255, char depends on implementation, if char is signed, the -128..127, if unsigned 0..255
Chars can be signed? Ohshit.
yeah, same as plain short, int, long are signed too, unless you specify unsigned
Hm. No, I don’t think that’s it – assigning -1 to a line of chars results in a white line, which I assume means they overflow to -255.
the range is 0×80 … 0xff, 0×00, … 0×7f for signed char, and 0×00 … 0xff for unsigned, so if you write unsigned char c = -1; still is 255 (0xff)
How on earth do you know this?
because i struggle with that stuff a low of times
struggle is maybe not right, i have to do lots of this stuff
Okay, but if it was signed and I wrote c = -1, it would really -be- -1?
Still fairly sure it can’t be that the chars are signed. Images captured off the webcam draw fine, it’s when I mess with them that they turn weird.
What the! I just wrote everything to a text file and it looks like the bytes ARE signed!
And I take the absolute value before I draw stuff.. Crud.
Hm. So the way signed bytes are, you can use it as an unsigned all your life and never know. Evil.
yeah, unsigned 0xff (255) – 5 = 250, signed 0xff (-1) – 5 = -6
hi
Hey.
Just to secure my self-confidence, void main() is entirely incorrect according to ansi standards, right?
you’re supposed to use double main()
hahah.
int main(int,char*[]) or int main(void)
/join #python
hi random
what happened to stormsrfr?
RadSurfer, are you stormsrfr?
no
whose stormsrfr?
__a guy who used to haunt this place
RadSurfer, where did u find references for doing that?
then he disappered as though he’d been free’d by some allocator
http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/doc/interpreter/Standalone-Programs.html#Standalone-Programs, warning: it’s not necessarily as easy as it looks
I’m in Linux, so it wasn’t too bad.
RadSurfer, me 2.. so what was the problem?
that..would..be..telling
c’mom, be brave it give it try on your own.
RadSurfer, yes.. of course
Just use your noodle, dude
RadSurfer, but, how about octave C api? where did u fiind references?
RadSurfer, so what does your stand=alone program do?
octave.org perhaps? use YOUR noodle dude
all your answers are on the posted url.
It proves that I can now link stand-alone Octave 2.9.13 applications.
if I use C++
RadSurfer, why dont u use scilab?
RadSurfer, que mal con c++
RadSurfer, it has a good manual, supports C, fortran, java, tcl…
RadSurfer, and it is opensource 2
I guess RadSurfer don’t speak spanish, I just asked you what is wrong with c++ in your oppinion
I had SciLab 4.0…
RadSurfer, did u like it/
?
I can handle C++ (when I want too)
really didn’t use it very much. SciLab 4 was the last Win98SE version, lol
RadSurfer, that’s not saying much
anyway i wish you luck in doing something more interesting in the future
I wonder what the lastest Linux version is like? Hmm!
RadSurfer, i use scilab on linux and it works great, u can mix, scilab with a lot of programming languages.. may favorites: C and TCL
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.23-rc3
scilab.org ?
kernel
i didnt understand
http://www.scilab.org/download/4.1.1/scilab-4.1.1.bin.linux-i686.tar.gz, is there an el5 specific version?
el5? sorry i didnt understand
RadSurfer
redhat enterprise version 5 (ie. CentOS 5)
RadSurfer, that file should work on ANY linux-i686 distro
I use SciLab a bit
Hodapp, great software, isnt it?
very handy.
don’t know how to do much in it yet though
naturally.
so far it’s just been plots of waveform data from a scope vs. theoretical formulas
I have Octave and Maxima installed. These have been fun lately.
so why not Scilab, round it off, lol
RadSurfer, maxima is great for symbolic computations.. but very very slow
I used to use Maxima a lot when I was taking Calc and DiffEq – it was glorious, it ran on my craptop with 24 MB RAM and almost no hard disk space
it’s about functionality
maxima was never particularly lacking in speed for me
it does fine.
my friend likes Axiom as well but I have yet to try this one
I wish I had something that would run on my Mac though
i say that coz it toke on day to invert a big matrix (36×36) with many variables inside
one day
lol
symbolic computation is slow… it is a fact
you should probably define “slow” before you start using words like “fact”.
actually there may be more preparatory work required.
Before using any words.
I rendered a frame once on my computer. It took 10 hours.
symbolic computation is SLOWER than numeric… got it now?
Rendering graphics is slow… it is a fact
frame? raytrace?
povray
probably
righto
povray is so nice
i love it
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tempki8.jpg
that’s one thing I rendered
in some software I wrote, just to test some of its functions and speed
scilab speaks of a gfortran bug. a lot of bugs have been corrected just recently
it looks like DISCO
RadSurfer, welcome to the world of opensource
hi all, I’m trying to compile coreutils under debian. I get this error :/usr/include/gconv.h:72: error: expected declaration specifiers or … before size_t. how do I fix it? thanks
RadSurfer, dont ask M$ about bugs.. they ll tell u there are just a few
they’ll say “features” were “added”
Hodapp, nice point
lets say i have int a = 0;
and i want to do myfunc(&a);
if a has to be casted as a uint
yeah, it looks disco-like, because at the moment the interpreter only generates graphics internally and simple functions tend to look like that
how do you do to dont lose the & at its side ?
&(uint)a;
doesn’t works
Fr3DBr, if you wish the & operator to yield a pointer to uint, you need to provide an object of type uint.
you cant cast and have the & of it ?
no, because casts yield values, not objects.
arg
you could cast your int* to unsigned* though
but the unsigned* pointer would be pointing to a signed value
and the signficant and much more important lack of understanding of casts would remain
hi all, I’m trying to compile coreutils under debian. I get this error :/usr/include/gconv.h:72: error: expected declaration specifiers or … before size_t. how do I fix it? thanks
looks like you’re in the wrong channel
i think the major confusion with casting has to do with the lack of understanding when the compiler reinterprets, and when it does a conversion.
heh, I always wondered, what kind of error do you get if you auto int i; externally? (doesn’t have a working compiler atm)
you really should ask this in #Debian
ok. sorry
like extern auto int i; ?
Yes, I suppose that would be conflicting types
correct?
gcc says multiple storage classes
thanks
also, what happens bitwise to a negative number again?
where you been? are you huggling now?
char 5 = 00000101b
char -5 = ~00000101b + 00000001b?
mostly rollign aorund on my flor
i need peopels to huggles or i get ssad
what’ with the elading 0’s?
OK, answer me this question. i was browsing some of the photos on your website, and i want to know who the girl is. you sister maybe?
you know, apostrophe doesn’t denote plurality, you can just write “0s”
Cin, don’t harras orbitz. he is busy replying to e
vorpal ;D
..
where’s your nickname originate?
char is 8 bits
an octet is 8 bits. a char may or may not be 8 bits on your platform, you realise this, yes?
a dream i had
maybe in yoru fictional world
can someone suggest where to look for source of c math library?
don’t ignore me, brother
it will be part of your C library. in the case of glibc, you can get it from the GNU website
YaroslavVB3, there are many free software implementations of the math functions in C. glibc comes to mind.
whcih girl?i hav emanuy on there
‘ dnate plurarlity, ge toff yoru rocker
no
heh
yes. i went to school for english. what did you do, join teh swi team/ get out of m house
there is one in particular. slender blond, good looking.
that doesnt’ narrow it down!
heh
I suppose you did go to an american school
hi Chris
you’ve been away for a while
what the hell?
well i sure as hell didnt’ goto a school in China, they dont’ even speak english there
I have?
yes
well, it was a while ago. let me see.. there is one photo of you and her with raised bottles of beer or whatever. another of you and her on a rooftop overlooking the city ( looks like NYC )
see, i didon’ even ask a yes or no question, ge tou tofmy house
haven’t you?
nah, I was here Friday
I’m just acknowledging you
oh alright
i guess it wasn’t your sister
i don’ know. i don’t recall ever bein gon a roof
it’s just another issue with american vs. british use of the english language
quit being such an uptight vagina face
and stop your bleating
I’m not being uptight
and I was just trying to help you out
what then? downtight? i sthat some new british slang? get ou tof my house
‘ dnate plurarlity, ge toff yoru rocker
my eyes are burning
yes, in America it is considered acceptable, apparently
you’re drunk!
tell him he’ sdrunK!
tell me who she is!
Could you pause, and read over what you type before you hit enter?
A drunk man, on irc.. definition of many.
find her!!
get otu of my house
OK, pm one sec
in before rape
why are ou sitll in my house?
why are you still talking to me?
cin, i 3 u
walshing matilda
I’ve miseed you
IRC sure makes for strange bedfellows, lol
i missed you too
you sohuld call mor eoften
sometimes i call boris
and i call him stupid
and hang up
hahahaha
oh orbitz.. you upset him
boriz hasn’t been on here for aaages
i hope he’s dead. last tim ei called he idn’ tpick up and i was sad
oh I tried otu erlang recently, I remember saying it looked scary, after learning lisp it’s more kcik-ass (for whatever reason)
erlang is the best langauge this side of mexico
mmm, concurrently eating chilli
I think I’ve heard better endorsements for toilet paper
it’s hot sweaty and people like to make films out of it
huhuhu
bad films
erlang the movie was idrected by brett ratner
no wonder it sucked
it’s brilliant
but it needs to be mashed up
it was brad pitt’s last movie, before he died
of an ingrown toenail
wahc out kids
ingrown tonails can kill!
see your doctor today
D:
orbitzs’ typing sure hasn’t changed any
your mom
shit, I was in #politics and I started saying y’mam jokes for about an hour and they eventually thought I was some clever bot
retards
http://ortdotlove.net/~orbitz/rand0m.org/images/walmart/tesha/15-lrg.jpg
moar pooper
http://ortdotlove.net/~orbitz/rand0m.org/images/walmart/tesha/01-lrg.jpg
ah, http://zhivago.bugfix.co.kr/4.wmv
HOT
please don’t shout.
##c, not /b/
ahh, thanks. I was wondering about that before
old cd-rom
192megabytes of pure unicycling mayhem
what’s that
the wmv
ah right
my curiosity only stretches so far
in this day of divx, who still uses wmv’s?
isn’t wmv just another name for .avi
zhiv, your upload speed is so fast that you notice how slow your cd-rom is? or is that some _reallly_ old cd-rom?
and thus could easily contain divx encoded video
ick
Spark, I don’t know if it can contain divx or not, but it is not the same as AVI.
hmm
what is it then
if WMVs are anything like WMAs, you get a very good size:quality ratio on the compression, better than OGG
besides, VC-1 is rather better than divx.
wmv isn’t another name for avi
its more like another name for wma
I mean, if you’re talking about file formats and not codecs
an older version of the WMV codec was quite similar to divx, from what I’ve heard…
what’s xvid like in the scheme of thigns
I think it’s a x2 or x1 speed
if i got the name right
wow
xvid is also rather like divx
Spark, it gives reasonable results for the relatively small amount of computation required to decode it.
it’s an old notebook that I use as a terminal.
ah, I see. do you VNC/remote-desktop or just textual/console?
Wikipedia can tell you about Xvid, it can probably tell you about most any format, I think, which is nice
wikipedia is all well and good, but wht starts with xvid often ends several hours later with nuclear weapons technology
hehe
I usually end up at strange mathematics articles
I think it’s pretty good if you want ab rief rundown and has some more detailed links/references at the bottom of the page if you’re _really_ interested
Hmm, nukes
does Stage6 work on OS X?
I run X11 on it.
z, nice
zhivago, the “korean language word study” in the index page of that link you provided, is it yours?
well, as in I started writing something, and then stopped, yes.
zhivago, so are those pictures yours, too?
sure.
niiiice
that’s where I live, mostly.
do you live near there?
wow
some of the ones at the end are from japan
(where I don’t live)
heh, no
What’s the difference between =+ and +=?
=+ is a forgotten legacy
and += isn’t
=+ isn’t an operator.
but it used to be
z, no wonder you like hiking
it looks a bit like bits of southern spain
the rock is different though
Centroid of a 1d array of integers would be sum_for_all_i(array[i]*i) / sum_for_all_i(array[i]) right?
is that a goat in the riverbed
there are two goats AFAIC
it is from a goat farm
ugh
the riverbeds are essentially collapsed lava tubes, so it’s hard for goats to get out.
I’m not sure if it’s legal, but he lets the goats run around down there.
they seem to get along well with ducks.
zhivago, lava tubes? as in, in case of a volcano erruption? P_p
ah
heh
in case of?
I live on a volcano.
Yes, they probably discuss the economy over tea.
What’s the name of the volcano?
jeju.
yeah… to control the flow of the lava so the whole area isn’t destroyed as much as it would be… like flood control
well, not exactly — they’re more where rivers of molten lava flowed along
so when the lava ran out, they drained.
when did this last happen
because the tops were exposed to air, those usually froze first, leaving a hollow tube
later, with erosion, many of these collapse.
oh I see. cool
so it’s not a natural river.. more of an opportunist river
Goats?
well, the rock is porous, so surface water gets in — the tubes tend to fill with sand, though.
once the surface erodes away, the sand is rapidly removed
then you get a water channel which tends to only visibly fill in flood-time — otherwise the water-flow tends to be subsurface.
why sand?
well, because of the porousity
are you familiar with pumice?
Pumice stone..
yeah it’s a bit like a hard sponge isn’t it
i don’t know why it’s like that though
it’s full of bubbles.
the rock here is like various grades of that — you can pick up a rock the size of a small dog with one hand.
which is why most of the fences are made of stone.
it’s formed from the gas-rich froth of glassy lava when it solidifies, or something.
heh
does it float
on water
no, because it’s too dense.
it’s a kind of graduation from pumice to solid basalt/granite.
breeze blocks do, i vaguely remember from my childhood, but they’re artificial i’m fairly sure
most of the stuff is mid-way — so maybe 10-20% bubbles.
so the sand comes from these rocks?
well, I presume that it comes from the break-down of the finer bubbly rock, filtered through small cracks and passages in the ceilings of the tubes.
mm
if there is insufficient water flow to carry it away, then it accumulates — but this is not my area of expertise.
People use them as footscrubs, right?
yeah
pumice stones that is
z, still downloading the video, 50%
Right
I went down into one of the big tubes while it was raining — it was also raining inside the cave
what vid?
unicycling!
mountain unicycling.
ugh
Looks too easy. Should try juggling at the same time.
yay, the_plumber
heh, i was pretty drunk last night
heh cool
hope i didn’t say things that pissed off people
is there a subterranean network of these things then
well, sometimes.
they are called mirodongul — labyrinth caves, but they are rare.
generally they are linear, possibly with multiple levels
i don’t really remember
if the rate of flow decreases for a sufficient length of time a ceiling will form.
mirodongul, sounds like dongle?
if the rate of flow then increases suddenly, the flow can be on top of this ceiling, so you can get layers of tubes.
did you get into some beer too?
later erosion or melting can then cause vents to open to lower levels
heh that is cool
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mirodongul&btnG=Search
not one reference to mirodongul
yeah, I need to take my camera next time I go.
you spelt it wrong
hows it spelt?
in hangeul
i missed the beginning, just connected
unfortunately your client is unlikely to speak euc-kr
emacs can handle anything?
actually, im using xchat
eMacs
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eeek, what is that?
that looks obscene
heh, no idea what that was
well, not quite everything, then.
could you send a screenshot of how it should look like?
just one moment.
use it
sometimes the threat of violence is enough
reminds me of the un-inspirational posters
http://zhivago.bugfix.co.kr/taneo/
“sometimes it takes a few angry men”
the first is with chinese characters, the second is with hangeul.
can you read this fluently?
which?
both
you cold learn sme strategy, my friend
s/cold/could/
well, for that word, yes.
Quick road cave?
flippo!
Ellen Degeneres isn’t funny.
how is life in the rockies?
vorpal, Hotter than it should be.
vorpal, where are you again?
we’ve been blessed with another wetter than usual wet season. southern arizona here
“wandering” not “quick”
on the first look, the chinese letters look more angled
they are.
is that just coincidence?
