how to increase buffer in console, so I can go back and see more output?

i want minimal everything. no kde or gnome dependencys just run xfce all light and fast

you’re not going to get xorg / xfce4 that fast on a slow system

the only change you can do is add ~, and that’s silly

if you’re in that much of a hurry, a binary based distro might be more to your liking

and you want widescreen

jzono1, the stage3 tarbal didn’t have anything in make.conf besides chost and cflags

im going to install gentoo on this pc here too, witch is a pentium d 2.8ghz 2gig ram

i need this but for non-mac http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10161202043

and that’s just fine

having done a genkernel, can i just pop into /usr/src and modify it with menuconfig as a standard kernel?

nope

fook

fook lmfao

MT, dream on

NeddySeagoon ok, if i understand, i really need to provide custom modelines by myself?

you can get genkernel to let you tweak it with menuconfig tho
iirc
that option might be removed

probably worth doing anyways

balty, yes

you can still modify it with make menuconfig and then do a manual install which i think MT was aiming for. make && make modules_install

nah, id need to recreate the initrd
its better this way anyways, no need for autoprobing

i’ve never had to create an initrd in 8 years, are you sure?

you use genkernel?

who uses initrds anyway?

genkernel?

it’s silly if you can build the kernel yourself easily

no, never
well most folks don’t consider a manual build easy, which is understandable to me
does using genernel mean you have to use an initrd?

yip

yeah

oh, well that’s annoying

hence why im doing a manual one now instead
yip it is

MT the genkernel config is a eally bad place to start. Get a new kernel and do http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2431534.html#2431534

good concept tho

since it’s modular, and suposed to run on everything

so if i’m aiming for security and want a kernel with not only no modules, but no module loading ability, i can’t do that with genkernel?

nope

curious

Fieldy Yes you can

oh?
but genkernel isn’t suposed to be used like that, right?

its funny coming at this from a freebsd pov, its much more complex

Fieldy, you have full manual control with menuconfig … genkernel will just build for you

but then if freebsd supported the hardware i need, i wouldnt be here now

mh portage tells me “Please re-emerge x11-libs/cairo with the X USE flag set” what the hell shall i do and how?

jzono1 You only need use as much of the automatics as you want. The minimum is build and install

okay

NeddySeagoon ok, I found something on gentoo-wiki http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Widescreen_Resolutions_(WSXGA) and I think i’m going to try “nv” once more so that the server fails just to have more infos in the logs

balty, Sounds like a plan

how do you tell which package a file belongs to?

cremetorte, edit /etc/make.conf and add X to the USE=”… save changes emerge x11-libs/cairo so the new USE takes effect

balty, I done quite some widescreens, always used google to find the modeline, I dont see what it would not work on your laptop but hey, I rest my case

BCMM equery belongs file

hmm

thanks

i’ll need a modeline for 1280×768, yes?

sion_ well my laptop is a samsung Q45, but i’m unable to get any modelines

jzono1, if its widescreen – yes

even with the nvidia binary drivers?
12 packages left and i got X

jzono1, yes

oh well – i’ve done it before, i’ll figue it out again

balty, you need a modeline for 1280 x 800 at 60 Hz …. You have a DVI link

how did sabayon do it on the livedvd? it detected it out of the box – was that xorg 7.3 at work?

jzono1 They probabaly have modelines in their xorg.conf Do they still distribute the nvidia binary driver ?

Modeline “1280×800@60″ 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841

yeah
i think the changelog mentioned something about 7.3 and displays

jzono1, I don’t have sabayon handy
balty, Is this your laptop http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/mobile-computing/notebooks-and-tablet-pcs/review/samsung-q45#fullSpecification

yeah – it’s xorg 7.3 being neat
One of the key features of Xorg 7.3 is better monitor autodetection.

balty, You need to poke the nvidia driver with some oprions in the Device section too … see https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-574036-highlight-.html
jzono1, I know pre defined widescreen modes were coming but I still havr a CRT monitor

whats a minimalistic service to get mails (like error msg) in gentoo?
postfix is a little oversized for that…

phw, ssmpt

hello i need help with my framebuffer setup

7.3 will make loads of widescreen headaches go away then

i have a radeon 9800 and a display that support 1920×1080

NeddySeagoon yes it is. Nothing about the video card though. I’ll try to give UseEdidFreqs to the driver and the modeline to the xserver

NeddySeagoon, how is the emerge thing called?

phw emerge ssmtp I think

xorg displays at 1080, but my framebuffer only goes to 1280×1024

balty, samsumg made one 12.1 inch ultra bright and it goes in yours, and in vaio’s

i dont think framebuffer can do hd

i don’t think the standard fb drivers do that resolution

balty Sound like a good place to start

find out what sabayon uses for their framebuffer – it does widescreen here

jzono1, but the 2007.0 splash has a configuration for it
jzono1, is sabyon a gentoo distrib?

NeddySeagoon, thanks got a typo in it

fistfullast33l, its based on gentoo but its not gentoo

gentoo-based, and “kinda” insane

jzono1, okay
NeddySeagoon, thanks

sion_ ok, i’ll google for modelines for viao laptops too. thanks

phw no problem

i have you tried constructing one from your xorg logs?
s/i //

hello. I need a shell script for HTB dynamic limiting a class C network. i’ve googled around but i can find only htb-gen scripts and htb.init config files. anyone can help me? maybe with a link or something?

fistfullast33l, Sabayon is different enough to gentoo that we cannot really support it here

can fully ~arch systems be supported at all?

somone can give me url for stages?

NeddySeagoon, okay

jzono1, Like all mine ?

probably over the head of most of this channel, try ##networking too

so in the process of emerging gnome it died and said that sys-apps/pciutils must be built without zlib
is zlib bad?

evil

thoraxe, it’s just not stable with it

ah
ok

Fieldy. thank you

thoraxe, just do “USE=”-zlib” emerge pciutils”

ah -zlib
i was gonna say zlib isn’t in there, i guess it’s a default?

thoraxe, no … some things need it make /etc/portage/package use and put sys-apps/pciutils -zlib into it. Rebuild pciutils
thoraxe, no … some things need it make /etc/portage/package.use * and put sys-apps/pciutils -zlib into it. Rebuild pciutils

there’s nothing in my /etc/portage folder ?

thoraxe, thats ok .. its empty until you add things

so you want me to create a file called package.use and put “sys-apps/pciutils -zlib” on one line?

thoraxe, yes
thoraxe, you want to read man portage to understand what you are doing

ok i’ll man it again
heh
oh portage nm

Leth001, Whats a crowberry ?

when you say rebuild pciutils you mean emerge it again or somethign else?

is it really evil to remove the -O2 statement for the make process? the xbox is quite slow when it comes to compiling
NeddySeagoon, a crowbar-berry. grows on crowbar-trees.

thoraxe, emerge it again

NeddySeagoon, like blueberry, just different… hard do explain
phw,

should i udn world before i begin to emerge gnome again?

thoraxe, if you changed alot of global use flags in make.conf, then it might be a good idea.

i only changed zlib for pciutils

thoraxe, thes is no need – you only changed pciutils

okie dokie, back to gnomeing
only 71 packages left, woot

thoraxe, nice I did the first booted emerge right now. xorg-server, 90 packages

any quick ways to get a nice xorg.conf?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

NeddySeagoon, are there compilation progressbars for gentoo? What the compilator writes out is just junk (to me).

no progressbars, no.
i think you can set portage to quite, and that’s just it.

Leth001, it’s only junk as long as there are no errors.

well, I still need error messages and such, but just not the compilation output itself.

enable quite + logging

ANyone seeing this with the commons-io package: ACCESS DENIED mkdir: /root/.maven/repository

yep. bug 187721

https://bugs.gentoo.org/187721 nor, P2, All, hetfield666@gmail.com-java@gentoo.org, NEW, pending, dev-java/commons-io-1.3.2 sandbox violation

gentoo use init.d or rc.d

what happens if I emerge -uD world, and a package fails?

Leth001, it stops.

if I in gentoo has compiled qt4 with the “qt3support” flag, do I need to do anything specific in order to compile a qt3-only program?

Draconx, blast. I suspected that. Any way to make it ..auto continue

–resume according to the manpage

Leth001, None that I know of, since the compile hosting time is not known in advance

Leth001, sure – run it again in event of error — but this could have unpredictable results.

Hi, is there anything special i have to do to get sound working in pidgin and mozilla flash, i can get sound in the console with mp3 blaster, so my sound drivers are working correctly.

a world could have 300 packages. would be sad if it stopped at 50 or something … and I’m not at the computer

as i said, –resuem

Leth001, failures aren’t that common.

does anyone know how to fix that annoying “.(none)” at the login console? I’ve set dns_domain in /etc/conf.d/net, HOSTNAME in /etc/conf.d/hostname, and filled in appropriate values in /etc/hosts. What else do I need to do?

Leth001, unless you’re running ~arch packages or something.

Leth001, in the most recent Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, (go to gentoo.org on the front page), down under tips, there are some references to some scripts that’ll auto resume failed builds

Leth001, there are some scripts for doing emerge –resume –skipfirst in the event of an error on the forums

what specifically has to be set to replace (none) the the login consoles?

[Shiba]: .(none) is your domain, set it

I did

i just don’t understand, how you guys stand all these unnecessary compilation

Draconx, I used to run quite a few ~x86 ones on my previous installs, maybe I should stick with stable ones this time.

I’m not sure where I went wrong

[Shiba], did you configure your hosts file?

[Shiba]: edit /etc/issue

NeddySeagoon. –skipfirst, does that make it resume from the last package updated?

nono, I don’t want to just remove \O; I want to fix the problem so I learn

[Shiba]: oh, ok

Unessnesary?

yes I configured /ets.hosts
/etc/hosts

in /etc/hosts

Leth001 it skips the broken package

I have that already, it maps to my global IP

as the first entry?

yes I believe so

NeddySeagoon, ah! so in the event of a failure it doesn’t stop at all. Sweet. I should try and make one

[Shiba]: then add something like dns_somain_lo=( “your.domain” ) to /etc/conf.d/net

Leth001, You may not like the results … other things can fail as a result of the first fail

64.142.31.233 tux tux.domain

hmmm

[Shiba]: then add something like dns_domain_lo=( “your.domain” ) to /etc/conf.d/net

my screen is stuck but its not in ^s mode

[Shiba], The order is important. ‘tux’ is not a FQDN.

oh and that, yeah

so I need to set it like “64.142.31.233 tux.domain tux” ?

yes

okay hang on lemme try that

NeddySeagoon, hm. I guess having it reemerging the failed package multiple times is better than skipping it then. and if it fails at all times, then stop. Dunno, but if failures are uncommon then it’s not worth the hassle. I’m just curious.

nice
i got a totally messed up console

try “reset”

no, messed up, as in corruption and blinking

try it
or changed from X with an ATI card?

Leth001, There is no point in retrying a failed emerge, until you fix the problem

stopped x with nvidia

NeddySeagoon, I was thinking if it could not fetch the package for some reason.

Leth001 do all the fetches up front, before yo ugo to bed … emerge …. –fetchonly

Will the packages reside on the hardisk before emerging if I do that?

Leth001, yes … in /usr/portage/distfiles …. read man emerge or emerge –help

quick question – can I have two different versions of the same package installed at the same time?

NeddySeagoon, will each package be deleted after a successful emerge? ok I’ll read the man

geemark, only of they are “Slotted”

Thank you for you help the other day, your advice worked :0

Leth001, No

*

neddyseagoon how longyou been using gentoo, and linux ?

EvilGuru Thats good to know

NeddySeagoon, the package in question is Qt 3 and Qt4… how do I check?

they will be slotted

qt3 and qt4 are slotted, yes

geemark, they are doffernt packages
khronusarian Linux, since 1999, Gentoo since early 2003

ah, cool, thats why i feel stupid

the full answer is “generally no, unless the maintainer took precaution using slots”

Is it safe to empty /distfiles/* every now and then?

I’d add to the full answer that it depends on what you mean by version as well

NeddySeagoon, thank you, i did not realize that twnqx thank you

khronusarian, Not Stuoid … thats forever. You can learn … we all started somewhere

shadow255, you are talking about major vs minor for instance?

geemark, np

yes, precisely

sure, im lookinng forward to the linuxi n a nutshell book arriving

Leth001, use eclean rather to spare the mirrors of unneeded load redownloading

will help me no end

geemark, not only that. for example, with the kernel packages, each version is in a slot of it’s own

ok

sion_, just emerge –clean? or –depclean?

hi there

anyone knows why perl isn’t compiling for a jail?

Leth001, no, eclean, part of gentoolkit package

oops, wrong room

sion_, ok.

i ment gentoo-chat, see ya!

i’m getting an error when i try to run ROOT=”/var/webjail/” emerge -va perl

Leth001, –clean is automatic –depclean is dangerous. Always use –depclean with -p

anyone has an idea?

NeddySeagoon, you said they are differnt packages – but they are both called “qt”, only they are slotted? i can’t find any “qt3″ or similar package

geemark, eix shows

geemark I thout they had different names … qt3 and qt4 … I’ll need to read the ebuilds …

Available versions:
(3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r2 3.3.8-r3
(4) 4.2.3-r1 4.3.0 4.3.0-r1 ~4.3.0-r2

gotta love eix

yup it rocks

what package is eix in?

eix

doh, thanks

app-portage/eix to be precise

geemark, just.. stop syncing normal way and use eix-sync after you got it, small pain but compare the search speeds…

is anyone using the “DMA Engines” in the kernel?

sion_, geemark They are the same packaig but slotted SLOT=”3″ from qt-3.3.4-r8.ebuild

NeddySeagoon, I did not ask

eix looks neat, I’ll get it too.

sion_, true … you posted a related snippet above

NeddySeagoon, private ?

sion_, sure

I just purchased a Samsung Sync (A707), and the guy at the store said it should be recognized as a USB removeable storage when I plug in the data cable (to get my music on it, etc)… anyway.. I plug it in, the phone says it’s connected, but gnome isn’t automounting it, I go into
/proc/bus/usb/devices and I see it listed but the ‘i’ line then end the driver says ‘none’ is there something I should try to get it to mount?

hi, anyone familiar with netbooting gentoo?
i’ve had my laptop netbooting perfectly for ages, but yesterday i decided to update to 2007.0 – now when it runs init.d/net.eth0 it manages to disable eth0 during the boot process! – which is obviously fatal ;p
/l
/lib/rcscripts/net/ifconfig.sh: line 8: /sbin/ifconfig: Network is unreachable

unplug it, and then plug it back in and check the output of ‘dmesg’
are there any errors?

the network is only unreachable because that script has broken the network though ;p – ie. it has just _READ_ that script over nfs ;p
the first error is when init.d/net.eth0 runs
but… it doesn’t need to do anything because eth0 is already up and has an ip, etc…
for some reason it seems to think it needs to reconfig it… which is fatal because everything is already coming over the network ;p

[Shiba], just says usb 5-6.3: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7, configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice.. not an error

i can easily hack the script – i just wondered if anyone knew why/what changed?

NeddySeagoon, jzono1 just wanted to let you know i got gensplash working at 1080

there’s got to be more
what driver attaches to it?

fistfullast33l, well done

NeddySeagoon, jzono1 had to make two changes – i typed the theme wrong to the kernel, and i had to switch to the radeonfb driver

fistfullast33l, you learn more when it goes wrong

hmm – guess i’m just gonna have to extract /etc from a backup and do a diff
something must have changed and broken netboot

NeddySeagoon, definitely. Just wanted to let you know in case you get hte ? again

if no driver attaches, find out which one should be and get that one into your running kernel

fistfullast33l thanks – enjoy your Gentoo

the output of ‘lsusb’ is helpful here

[Shiba], as I said, in /proc/bus/usb/devices the line that has ‘manufacturer=Samsung MTP device, the ‘I’ line has.. I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=06(still) Sub=01 Prot=01 Driver=(none)

NeddySeagoon, I always do

so I think it’s no identifying a driver to use
a0f Samsung Electronics Co.,
and some other stuff

CrazyIvanMN, wee need the Vendor and Device IDs to tell you the driver you need
CrazyIvanMN thats it!

note the issue there: Driver=(none)

hi any im looking for some help
with a download

[Shiba], yep that’s what I figured.. so.. how do I ‘fix’ that ?

please someone

this is an Appareil mobile MTP, right?

[Shiba], its’ a cellphone if that’s what you mean?

im just a begginer

it appears that this device is marketed solely to a French market, so all the google results I find are in French

glt001, just ask

Last time I spoke French was 10 years ago in high school

[Shiba], hehe.. in the US it’s marketed as the Samsung Sync SGH-A707

Anyone got any tip on a Turion x2 Convertable tablet PC that can run linux properly? (with fingerprint reader pen webb cam etc etc..

well if its a cell phone I think they will have DRM on it for the music, and the likelihood of them using any kind of standard for it is just about nil

i’ve been trying all day to find a movie download for my son and all we keep getting are Xrated! ! you know what i mean. How do i just get the films desired

how could i set the root password?

hmm

even if you could get a driver that works (not gonna happen), the music would be encrypted

if you have to ask this question i believe you should not be using gentoo

its a Windows-only device
don’t be such a bastard

glt001, how is that gentoo related ?

[Shiba], why are you insulting me?

you really need to read a Linux system admin book before jumping into a distro like Gentoo
to answer your question, use the app ‘passwd’

’sup peeps?

[Shiba], that’s not the point, the handbook covers that

not even a clue guy’s

well, I’m not trying to insult you. but its comments like that that drive people away from Linux and back to Windows

[Shiba], It is capable of playing mp3s, that’s all I’m trying to put on it.. in theory it should show up as a removable harddrive like a usb pen drive, so I can just copy my mp3’s to it

glt001, We can’t help you here … that sounds too much like copyright infringement

[Shiba], look at my careface

[Shiba], psykon, drop it ?

if it isn’t usb mass-storage compatible, it probably won’t work, by design of the phone company

no if i have to pay for the download thats o.k.

Anyone knows what’s up with perl? I’m compiling perl for a jail environment and I’m getting error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory and it just dies there after leaving the directory it was installing in. Anyone has an idea?
Please help

[Shiba], well I have like 29 days to return it, and get something else.. you know of a mp3 capable phone that does work with linux (that I can just plugin, and it shows up as usb mass storage, and copy my mp3’s to it)?

glt001, Search with google … some older movies are free to download (legally) other can be downloaded for a fee.

i unmerged gnome and called depclean. now emerge wants to unmerge firefox, sudo and so on but i would like to hold that. any idea?

none. The music industry and cell phone companies won’t allow it
the closest thing you’re gonna get is a bluetooth-capable phone

i type i harry potter google find hairy plumber

bluetooth is an industry standard and well supported in Linux

so any of you peeps have any recommendations for software to capture a webcam stream or images and upload them to a webserver? I’m behind a NAT that’s out of my control so ppl can’t connect to my computer to view it

if your phone allows bluetooth connectivity, you might be able to get around the USB issue by going out and purchasing a bluetooth adapter for your PC

[Shiba], hrm.. so your saying if I get my bluetooth working I should be able to copy files that way? (it’s bluetooth capable)

in theory yes

glt001, Those are far too new. you will not find Harry Potter to download. The studios make more money sellign DVDs

Anyone knows what’s up with perl? I’m compiling perl for a jail environment and I’m getting error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory and it just dies there after leaving the directory it was installing in. Anyone has an idea? Please help

[Shiba], kk.. well I’ll putz around with trying to get my bluetooth usb adpator thingy working then.. thanks

oh well thank’s then guy’s

supposedly any bluetooth usb dongle would work with linux if you’re looking to get one of those, though personally i’ve not tested that theory

asm/page.h would be part of linux-headers

glt001, np

did you install that in your chroot?

the problem is that your phone’s USB interface doesn’t comply with the mass storage specification

I guess I found the problem missed out linux-headers

damn please anyone help. cant i use firefox,sudo,gdb and so one without having gnome installed?

surprising

and if it doesn’t do that, well… there isn’t much chance of getting it working under Linux as a storage device

hey, did openssh always had ldap use flag by default ?
it fails to emerge here, because of ldap flag

b00, ditto here, I removed the flag
b00, bug is filed

sion_, ok

I believe firefox has library dependencies from X. Whether those libraries are a parat of Gnome, I’m not sure.

b00, either remove flag or mask newer as the output suggests

aha – sorted it.. needed to add config_eth0=( “noop” ) in /etc/conf.d/net – dunno why i didn’t need that under 2006.1 but i didn’t ;p

[Shiba]: so i m not able to hold these packages ?

sion_, yea

pleed sure you should

well, if the source code depends on one of the libraries you hold then firefox won’t build

_pSXAuthor, “noop” is some magic word for don’t bring up the interface at all ?

did you remove the gnome useflag?

yes
is that the problem?

how about you try emerge -pvt mozilla-firefox, to see the flags and it’s a “tree” view so you’d know who is pulling gnome in

you might need to recompile using emerge -N world

you might need to add -gnome to your global USE flags and emerge -N world

i just made emerge –sync && emerge –newuse –update –deep world

pleed, “tree view” might be a bit of an overstatement. with -t emerge will insert very subtle spaces at the start of the lines to show what pulls in what

pleed, its good practice to add -a or -p to that world one

i ll try

I tend to use ‘emerge -avuND world’ habitually

ok shall i put in the gnome use flag again?

[Shiba], good choice, I should stay away from -p since my shift got stuck once doing -P

“noop” means leave the interface alone if its already up and configured (which it will be when netbooting ;p)

pleed, are you using gnome ? if not a -gnome in /etc/make.conf is just fine, just allow it to do gtk

hey is there a java runtime plugin for firefox gentoo package ?

emerge -avpuND world shows that no packages need to be processed

obviously messing with eth0 in a script that you are running from nfs is a very very very bad idea ;p

_pSXAuthor, oooh, might be useful for me with the ipw3945 driver, since it comes up by itself

i have gtk use flag. only took gnome out because i dont need it anymore (using ion3). but i still want to have firefox, evolution and so on

i have been verry courious about wifi

pleed, makes total sense tbh, I use kde but got -gnome too

yeah – the full line is: config_eth0=( “noop” “x.x.x.x netmask y.y.y.y” ) where x is an emergency IP to use in case the interface is not configured and y is the netmask to use in that case

can a wifi like router be setup form a computer wifi stick?

I use emerge -Duva world… that because duva means dove in swedish and I’m from sweden, Also my name is Jonas which means Dove http://www.babynames.com/Names/name_display.php?id=4674

gtk or gtk2 is needed for those. but you shouldn’t need to pull in all the gnome stuff. have you tried USE=”… -gnome” in /etc/make.conf ?

is there a way to have two different versions of the same program installed?

J-nus, you want to add a N eventually

nn-bluetooth, depends on the stick, for some it can be. You need to look at hostapd

J-nus, Uno Duva ?

no. shall i try it and then emerge –update –newuse –deep world ?

hmm

nn-bluetooth, if your device is supported by hostapd you’re golden

I’m to conservative for it to be of use

what are my choices when i want kde_

J-nus, swedish indeed

pleed, put the USE=”-gnome” in, and the try emerge -pv mozilla-firefox to see if gnome would still get pulled in, i’m guessing no

jzono1, not sure I get you

SeniorMoo, is there a good list of supported devices some where?

iirc, i can pick between the full thing, or just what i want_
?

ok i try it

jzono1, tbh, full thing… well.. thats my choice, kde-base and gnome-light usually give me migrains

what if i want to try the kde4 beta_
?

yes seems to work. i m doing –newuse world now and look what depclean will say ok?

nn-bluetooth, there’s a hostapd section in the kernel i think… might be a package to compile those drivers outside the kernel as well

jzono1, oow… let me paste
jzono1, KDE4 Beta 1 in “kde4″ overlay tomorrow (thats #gentoo-kde, so stay away for a bit

pleed, go for it (though if you already got rid of gnome, why do you want to rebuild world?)

hi gentoo. i see all 3 of my hard drives in the bios (80, 160, and 250 gig) but the 250 gig doesn’t seem to show up in /dev. probable causes?

jzono1 there is a KDE guide on gentoo.org. kde-meta installs it all. Or you can pick and choose.

ah, so i should wait untill tomorrow then_

jzono1 for kde4 you will need an overlay …

jzono1, no, you better wait beyond that… unless you feel like a beta tester

kde4 worth it?

so it isn\t halfwhat useable yet_
?

SeniorMoo, most seems related to qt4 underwater changes

i really like the way E17 is coming along, but it’s not quite there yet

have you checked dmesg output

jzono1, gentoo is bleeding edge but don’t die bleeding, seriously, I am conservative

shadow no i’ll do that
thanks

np, good luck too

and from KDE4 i really like dolphin, but you can have that on KDE3 too so no need to take the plunge

but is the beta package in the overlay_

SeniorMoo, i have not gotten a wifi device yet before i do i would like a refrence to how to setup a direct 1 to 1 wifi card connection easily and what devices are suportted

jzono1, not yet as I stated

to repair a system from the live cd by means of chroot would “chroot /path_to_root_dir_of_target_os_on_livecd do the job? Anyextra options?

so, when tomorrow will it be there?

jzono1, in an overlay, if they make the timeline, but why are you so desperate for it ?

nn-bluetooth: you would need to set up an ad-hoc network between the two devices, preferably with WPA2

nn-bluetooth, by one-to-one do you mean two computers without a router, or would you like one of the computers to act as a router for the other one? A routerless setup is calld ‘adhoc’ and you can set that up with normal drivers and iwconfig (emerge wireless-tools_

because i want to use it, and since im on a fresh gentoo, i need to emerge some kde anyway

jzono1, my advise, /join #gentoo-kde and keep a tab on it yourself, and see how it goes..

SeniorMoo, i currently use a 1 to 1 bluetooth connection ( using now ) but it is slow ;;; yes 2 cp’s no router

jzono1, “just because i can” is as good a reason as any other for using bleeding edge software =P

jzono1, just dont push things, offer to assist

nn-bluetooth, then you don’t need hostapd for that, just regular drivers and setup adhoc mode. I can’t give any more details than that because i’ve never done it myself

In Ubuntu (with the open source radeon driver) I get 3500 frame/s in glxgears, which in Gentoo I get 2000 in glxgears

cool

but kdebase if i just want a minimal kde3?

jzono1, I do not like minimal kde 3.5 personally

any one else have a good place to find what wifi’s work and what wifi’s don’t work?

jzono1 there is a KDE guide on gentoo.org. kde-meta installs it all. Or you can pick and choose

nn-bluetooth: kernel.org?

jzono1, missed a there, best check that

jzono1, i think if you just emerge kdesktop it will pull in the stuff you need for a minimal KDE

nn-bluetooth: http://linuxwireless.org

SeniorMoo, I did an emerge konsole once and had a truckload of blocks to get full kde, dont mess too much with it

i can’t kill process from root

nn-bluetooth: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ too

killall k3b don’t work

ZogG, if you can’t kill it then it’s not running =P

SeniorMoo it is

?

SeniorMoo i see it in top

kill -9 $(pidof k3b)

ZogG, try ps aux | grep k3b and go for the process id (pid)

sion_ tryed likewhoa – nothing – no errors but nothing

does ‘pgreg k3b’ show anything?

pgreg? hehe
i think you mean pgrep

oh yea, lol tired over here

dont be a Moo

i’m here for comic relief, since i’m no good at linux =P

lol

pgrep k3b – 12841

kill: (2841) – No such process

wrong..

ZogG, no $

is there any way I can test my hdd read/write speed ?

it’s kill -9 2841

likewhoa this is nopt working to

hdparm -Tt /dev/hda

nothing

BlackBishop, hdparm

hmm should this work on a md device ?

then you need to kill it’s parent process.
yes

1410 MB in 2.00 seconds = 704.69 MB/sec
180 MB in 3.00 seconds = 59.99 MB/sec

BlackBishop, short version is hdparm -t -T /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for sata). Read the manual before you do anything else with it

likewhoa sion_ nothing

WHOA !

ZogG, kill -9 12841 ?

lol

likewhoa how i kill parent proccess?
sion_ nothing (

oh wait, did you try what sion_ mentioned?

v yes

likewhoa, he did

raid what?

raid 1

ps aux|grep k3b

how can i find parent process

raid1 is slow.

7 [k3b]
0 grep –colour=auto

kill em all !

i wanna broadcast my webcam to my website, gimme some software ideas plz (the hosting service is pretty loose, i could compile and run stuff over there if needed)

you can’t kill a defunct process
find the parent process. in ps aux

likewhoa, well .. I need read/write speed more than anything else .. what do you recommend ?

likewhoa nothing with ps aux |grep k3b

use motion and rsync
raid6 or raid0 but raid0 doesn’t provide redundency

no luck on dmesg. what should i grep for to find the mysterious missing hard drive? it probes ide0 and ide1 and finds hda and hdc but where is hdb or whatever the third hard drive might be called? like i said, it’s in the bios

likewhoa, seriously? i’ll look into motion

anyone cares to refresh my memory on what the command is to start a service in a jail?

illuminum, dmesg | grep hdb ?

you can use motion to record motion with the webcam, then use rsync to sync the images/videos with your web server folder, after you a java hosting script tool to refresh the page.

no hdb sion

search in ‘ps aux|less’

no sd anything

ZogG, lsof /path_to_k3b

I_R_Baboon lsof

yeah, you might have to emerge lsof

lsof $(which k3b)
after you emerge it.

it checks what else is using k3b

i must be tired i didn’t think of that one, lol

I’m running apache+ssl and I am getting a blank screen and a segfault on a child proess in error_log

all it finds is ide0 and ide1
hmmm
guess i’ll shutdown and play with the mobo

likewhoa ok

likewhoa, it happens! I am pretty nackered myself

though i’d figure if its in the bios it should be found

likewhoa, hmm .. what about raid 1+0 or 0+1 ?

likewhoa, i was thinking more of something live, and with sound

illuminum, that or udev rules

udev rules?

likewhoa i think it stuck because of dvd and that’s why i can’t kill it

likewhoa, horrible hangover

illuminum, just wondering, why does it matter ?

sion i want to get my third hard drive mounted

illuminum, udev auto assigns these things, I wonder why it skipped hdb
illuminum, I have 7 HD’s mounted here, thats not the issue

why dosent my qtconfig setting apply? PSI looks as ugly as before

illuminum, if udev sees it.. its added

How can I put the gnome file manager, Nautilus into browser mode?

how can i test udev?

how i find out directory of program ii’m runnig?

you bet.
which program

illuminum, just curious, checked a fdisk -l (ELL that is)

read the man page..

finds /dev/hda and /dev/hdc

likewhoa lsof /usr/bin/k3b do nothing

fdisk -l that is, sion

illuminum, and is data on hdc the 2 or 3′rd one ?

I do not have one

illuminum, I mean, did it ever see the second at all

there is data on all three
no it never saw the second one

and it does not seem to be in the preferences

illuminum, so hdc is your third ?

because it’s defunct. paste bin the output of ‘ps|aux’

yeah

illuminum, can you mount it and double check ?

hdc3 is mounted and i have my old file system read-write, sion

nautilus –browser

illuminum, the file system you expect on the third, so the second is missing ?

yeah

likewhoa chttp://pastebin.com/m4aa887ce
i think it stuck because of cd

illuminum, whats the second on… IDE and file system wise ?

“hdb” is missing
what should I google for to find the solution?
they’re all on serial ATA
and the second is reiserfs

illuminum, yes, thats a refine from last position, but one worth it

likewhoa i tried to rip audio cd and it stuck so i used ctrl alt Esc and killed but heva process still running

you mess with kernel?

no, this is the default kernel

illuminum, even if kernel does not support reiser, it should see the drive

likewhoa also can’t take cd of because that i can’t mount it its audio cd

Thanks! The default mode is… weird

it takes me all day to get a good kernel config compiled and functioning

good effing god.

kill the process that rips the cd

i changed my make.conf CFLAGS. would ‘emerge -u world’ update everything to the new setting?

illuminum, default kernel and gentoo… well… thats not possible

eh? what you mean

emerge eject && eject /dev/path to cdrom

likewhoa i don’t know which of them

why on earth am i getting a No such file or directory when i run chroot /var/webjail /etc/init.d/apache2 start

i don’t catch your sarcasm

anyone has an idea?

likewhoa eject – doesn’t work also

illuminum, all kernels we use are most likely unique

well yeah

illuminum, thats the power of gentoo

ZogG lsof /media/cdrom

i mean i have’t tweaked it since livedvd

illuminum, still.. it should see it.. just not sure why it does not ?

me neither
oh well
i guess i’ll give up for now

you problably missing SATA support..

I_R_Baboon nothing

probably

this an IDE or SATA drive?

SATA
they’re all sata

then they should appear as /dev/sdX

yeah
they should

check your kernel for support.

they did on my old setup
k
thanks likewhoa

np

ok .. why should a raid drive fail more than a regular drive ?

(quitting, going into X)

what is a slot atom folks?

ZogG my bad lsof /mnt/cdrom

puzzled

it should just like a normal drive.

I_R_Baboon i have it in media/TOSHIBA (hal+ivamn)

pastebin ‘ps aux’

great !

o.O, OK so do lsof /media/TOSHIBA

likewhoa chttp://pastebin.com/m4aa887ce

hi

that’s noob status for sure

not real RAID hope you know.

kamikaze-RAID

you want performance and redundancy, do raid6 or raid10

you spent $1500US on hard drives and you don’t even have a raid controller?!

the R in raid stands for redundant

better raid5 + hotswap

i suggest raid6, raid0 should only be used for non critical data.

BlackBishop, with 8 drives in a raid0 you have only 1/8 of the reliability. Any one drive dying looses all your data

raid5 blows.

hi there

decisions decisions ..

what are you doing with the array? I’d recommend at least raid5 unless you need crazy write performance, then raid10 (in exchange for disk space)

raid6 can substain more than 2 drive fails. that’s why i don’t use raid5.

I won’t use raid6 if it’s “only” 8 drives (-1 for hotswap)

does anyone try beryl on dual head without twinview+xinerama ? I’m not sure about the good version to use.

you only need 4 drives for raid6.

raid5 rules actually
[Shiba]: more like $800
I laugh at anyone who would setup an 8 disk raid0 array though

raid5 — any two drives fail you array is hose.

well .. it’ll be a file-server ! .. I made a simple web-interface where people ( in my network ) can upload/download stuff ..

man hotswap, man backup

lol bsdfox same here. but some people do it.

likewhoa afaik raid6 can only handle 2 drives failing, not 2

ACK !!! i emerged bluez-utils again and pand did’nt get built !!! what hapened I need pand !!!

and there are like 10000 people who’ll be using it

you’re writing more parity with raid6
which means worse performance
I run raid5 with a hot spare

is there a option im missing or somthing!!???

likewhoa ?

if it’s just a dump that you don’t care about that’s fine

did you try USE=”-!!!???!!!???”

that’s cool.

i saw it make a mike file for it but never build it ?? how do i find a use flag

bsdfox, well .. I was thinking about 1+0 or 0+1
so I’ll have a lil’ bit of everything

ZogG, that pastebin is the output of ps aux & not lsof /media/TOSHIBA! Did lsof return nothing?

yea but better than raid5’s chances of killing your array.

raid10 is the way to go for databases which require fast disk access and reliability

what is the best host raid solution when you want a bit more speed but also some rendundantcy without 50% space lost ..

linux sw raid doesn’t support 0+1 only 1+0

I_R_Baboon =CK
yes

BlackBishop, raid0+1 or raid1+0 is better on performance than raid6 ..but it’s not as safe from failures

^Willie^: raid5/6 are the only options

how do i find possable USE flags??

swapping raid isn’t a problem .. I can set the same priority for 2 swap partitions ..

^Willie^Laptop: raid6 for me.

my board do only support 0,1,0+1,jbod

raid6 is better than raid5+hotspare

there is no ‘ultimale’ raid level, it will always depend on your needs (number of disks, redundancy, capacity, speed,…)

raid10 isn’t bad if your system emails you when a disk fails
raid6 wasn’t around when I built my raid5 array

my system even calls me if a drive fails ! )

?

bsdfox, ok

ZogG, if it returned nothing recheck ivman conf

how’d you rig that one BlackBishop

epsilon atm i do have 1 system capable for a raid controller i have areca in mind on pcie1x ..

a lil’ bit of asterisk ..

raid60 ..drool

^Willie^Laptop areca are nice

jup but there price

it also sends sms’s .. ( that’s not so hard if you have a sms gateway )

^Willie^Laptop: it doesn’t even support that. you have software raid if its included on your motherboard

^Willie^: the pcie 1x cards are supposed to be really flimsy I’d get x4 if you could

^Willie^Laptop my areca ones i like better than 3ware

pcie 1x? so only 2-4 drives…

^Willie^Laptop: raid10 spread across 30 floppy drives

they were discussing that in #freebsd yesterday

my asus p4gd1 do have fake raid onboard yes .. did not tested it jet .. i do know from a via chipset the onboard fake raid did work slower ..

i wish raid60 was available

ok .. I’ll stick to using 1+0 then

raid6!

you’ll only have 2tb space though
why not just use raid6?

some san software may be able to do raid60

they was,.. lol

me did think about a 4×500gb setup in raid ..
local storage machine

^Willie^Laptop: that’s what i run,.. 4×500 raid6

so raid6 is the best in write/read speed ?

err actually we’re doing raid60 with xsan

the problem with raid controllers is that they’re _expensive_. A reasonable one might go for somewhere between US$600-1000

cause you need 2 drives for redundancy – and if such redundancy is not required, it’s waste of a drive

^Willie^: my new servers have 4×15k cheetahs and 4×500gb barracudas

[Shiba], and do you think a special raid controller can do better than 2 dual-core xeons ?!

such hardware will never be included in consumer motherboards

BlackBishop, for large files ..raid5 is better for smaller files ..but for redundancy and fail proofness raid6 is better for really large arrays

and raid10 would be an improvement because..

^Willie^Laptop my one areca controller let me mix 1TB and 500GB drives in it, made a raid6 for me without having to do anything

how do i find possable USE flags for a package????????

best performance/redundancy available.

is there a support for compiz-fusion under gentoo please ?

nn-laptop-wired: emerge package -pv

my /dev/iBoan is 20 sectors long

not yea.

thanks

raid60 = two raid6 in a xsan storage pool

it’s in the overlays.

i installed gentoo and once booted from the hard disk, i have only one terminal. any advice?

what about linux soft raid ? on a 800mhz fsb system ..

interesting. seen it in action?

#gentoo-xeffects

likewhoa, that’s what we’re doing

^Willie^Laptop: yes that’s what we’re talking about..

^Willie^: I use software raid5 on my desktop.. works well

hmmzz ok

likewhoa, 330MB/s write 250mb/s read over 2GB FC

^Willie^: he only uses it because raid6 was not available at the time.
tell him the truth, he can handle it

and in answer to your question, yes, I do

I only have 3 disks too

nice.

had raid6 been around I would have bought 4 though

compiz-fusion is working fine, of course you need external source
I’m running it ATM

i waited for raid6 before going raid, didn’t like raid5 chances of array breakage
i didn’t say it wasn’t
i’m running it also, i was just telling him to check the overlays.
ui’m running it also, i was just telling him to check the overlays./u

yeah I backup everything critical to remote machines anyways so.. for desktop use raid5 was fine

mdadm

BlackBishop, never done it in software ..

www.google.com

you don’t believe in software linux raid?

have you ever seen the difference between AES in hardware and software?

man mdadm is all you need.

likewhoa, no it’s great ..just saying never done a raid6 in one before

get hardware raid

an ASIC will _always_ outperform generic hardware

and real hwardware raid

hardware raid isn’t even faster normally

i run raid6 in sw raid

3ware is nice and cheap for raid5 or 10

used to be in the past when machines we’re fast enough to handle the xor task

please help, it’s quite urgent. i have only one terminal after installing gentoo. ctrl+f{2,3,…} do nothing. any idea??

gonen, alt.

hmmmm

gonen, left alt, to be precise.

yeah but now that we’re running quad xeons and such..

yes yes, ctrl+alt+f*
typo

http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html READ UP

anyone use git-sources and manage to get nvidia drivers to compile aginast them? Also, anyone know what version of alsa is integrated into the linux kernel

sw rules now

likewhoa, i’d rather use these http://infortrend.com/main/2_product/a16f-g2430.asp we have two of them 20TB raid6 total with 750GB seagates (1TB drives not yet certified)

i was told to ‘install or reinstall baseutils’ but there’s no such ebuild

likewhoa, yeah .. I’m ok with software stuff better than hardware stuff on most things !

hw raid is not cross compatible between raid controllers.

likewhoa, no need to be if you have money
likewhoa, the raid controllers are in the box btw ..

sw raid

imo

and a hw array is not compatible with old controllers of the same kind and sometimes newer ones.
this is linux.. opensource is all we need!

psykon, not always

i trust my data to sw raid.

likewhoa, it saves you a lot of trouble

likewhoa, yeah but these aren’t boxes where you pull the controllers out ..if the controller dies ..it dies that’s why there are backups ..we’re using these boxes as backup to disk anyways

sion++

it’s just easier

no it doesn’t

oh what the heck

likewhoa uuhhmm i`m still not shure how i gona build it

sorry, but after years of working with hard- and soft-RAID, I can only laugh at that “why software” listup

wasted money
^Willie^Laptop: man mdadm

psykon, low end, yes, high end, HW all the way

likewhoa 3x pata133 connector + 4x sata150 ..

sion_, hmm?

likewhoa http://asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=12&l3=27&l4=0&model=167&modelmenu=2

http://bluearc.com/ ..more wasted money

i guess the onboard fake raid is useless

i tryed the USE flags still no pand

like i said, i prefer linux raid over any hardware raid, it saves me money and my arrays can be started on any linux kernel with raid support.

when your it dept. have too much money there’s never any such thing as waste

I dont’ disagree with you. but I’m curious as to your reasons. As someone experienced with soft- and hard- RAID, why do you prefer hardware based?

sw raid

sion_, then you’re agreeing?

[Shiba]: I use both

psykon, not low end

I prefer hardware cause it’s OS and hostsystem independent

epsilon, exactly

it manages the disks on it’s own and what OS I ever use, I just see clean “virtual” array-disk

likewhoa, we had no choice but to use the hw raid ..we’re doing a clustered FS xsan

and also firmware independent.

but probably if you change controller you will need to reformat raid

nice

jacekowski, it’s more probable to change the OS
than the controller

likewhoa, if we had a single machine single FS we could have done a huge jbod raid6 in linux

backup

i have taken net.eth0 from my rc-config, yet is till tries to start. How can i have net.eth2 first?

t35t0r you could probably export raw block devices and raid6 them too, although performance might not be so hot

but betwen vendors it’s isn’t compatible

for some reason my monitor gives me “Video Mode not Supported” when running startx. I have no idea why

guarrantees are just another label to me, plus they waste time granting them.

BlackBsd it’s prob doing it from your /etc/conf.d/rc file

good point

BlackBsd, there is a trick, where is DrEeevil when you need him he knows

so isn’t software-RAID if I switch between Windows and Linux

[ 9245.802546] Machine check events logged

tdr, ya that’s what would have done i guess for multiple LUNs

is that bad? or normal.. I’ve started getting them every 5 or 6 minutes since I switched to x86_64

on server?

BlackBishop, RC_PLUG_SERVICES=”!net.*” will stop it

is it possible to get a radeon to do dual monitors with diff resolution on each monitor?

the compatibility has been tested to simulate worst-case scenario, it worked.

tdr, thats the one

3 eonstors each is a different lun

for people that got the money to *burn* i guess hardware raid is a solution.

where is my xorg.conf file? I only emerged xorg-server.

or LVM ( raid6 + raid6 + raid5 )

/etc/X11/

on server you have a vendor wich supplies the same controller during the support life time

lol t35t0r whoa

likewhoa, translate that to corp use

fo’sho

Leth001, you have to create one, X -configure generally does the job ok

likewhoa, lol

3ware in my desktop? only 200 bucks or so

name a 3ware card that supports raid6 that’s $400?

tdr, thanks. Been awhile since I did this, I remember now.

likewhoa, ah well

3ware admin panel isn’t so great tho

no shiz

likewhoa, weren’t you talking about high-end?

likewhoa, there maybe a megaraid one

i want better cpu which can handle raid

why the hell should I use riad6 in my desktop? I use raid1

in general.

psykon, no I was

jacekowski, if you have a designated file server most cpu’s are ok at it

i use raid6 in my desktop

likewhoa, what epsilon said

and when not handling raid it can do other thing faster

you are very very addicted to level 6… you should more look around you

not addicted, just prefer it over raid5 nothing more.

a guy who can do raid6 is rich anyway
why are you bothering with money?

raid6 is quite good, it actually offers some security

I only use 2 drives as raid1, cause that’s MY redundancy requirement

lol psykon

raid6 is nice when you need security
it’s certainly not for a desktop

raid6 is nice when you actually care about your data

lvm

but i DO!

likewhoa, your pr0n isn’t that valueable

it is a desktop

tdr, well, what does “security” mean to you?

it’s in 1080p! ofcourse it’s valuable

psykon, well i have maybe 25 TB of data that i’d rather not have to recreate. thus i want to know if something goes wrong, i don’t have to.

likewhoa, just get a dedicated machine for storage
don’t use your desktop

thre is no point for that question, raid level depends on you requirement of security

hey folks

epsilon, someone who can afford to have raid6 on the desktop can afford a controller that supports raid6

don’t want a dedicated machine for data that’s being used locally 24/7 i don’t mind it running here.

hey, can anyone look at this mcelog and tell me if they think it’s ram, cpu, or mobo? thanks… (errors have been getting more and more frequent) http://www.pastebin.ca/645586

psykon, software raid6 is usually faster than hardware

Short question. Getting my wireless network ready (working onder windows with WPA2 TKI/AES now so that’s a good thing) but I want to run dhcp now. Normally the dhcp deamon would do that but I can’t emerge it because I have no internet now.

anyway this discussion is pointless

i can’t find a controller that supports raid6 and has 8 sata ports for less than $400

psykon, probably not you only need like what minimum 3 drives for raid6 ..for a price of a controller that does it you can purchase like 3 more 500G sata drives

So how to get dhcp on a standard gentoo install?

If I’m using the opensource radeon drivers, must I change the display driver in xorg.conf from “ati” to “radeon”?

get a good controller card and run software raid6

hey Leth001

you need 4 disks for raid6

myzrael,

Leth001, mine says ati

emerge dhcpcd

really 4? i thought it was 3 ..same as raid5

likewhoa no internet on the gentoo now
hehe

tdr, are you using the open source ones?

that’s the problem

i lost all my data when the disk died *cry*

myzrael, live cd then to correct ?

Leth001, yes, those servers’ cards aren’t supported by the binary ones

oh.

sion_ bummer…..

what are you using?

tdr, then I’ll leave it “ati” for now.

nothing
single normal disk

quit

ya 4 min

Leth001 radeon isn’t a valid driver name anyway, it’s ati or flgrx (if you use the binary)

I though if I would remove the ip stuff it would assume dhcp

and plus i’m stuck with 40G

so.. what’s a working bluetooth obex server or obex ftp gui for gnome? (the gnome-bluetooth thingy doesn’t seem to work, but I was able to send a mp3 to my phone using obexftp command line

oh well I’ll restart and see what I can do.This windows thing such
sucks

the kde thing works well

myzrael, got dhcpcd on the machine or not ?

oh i see, why only 40GB?

sion_ nope

all i had around

else I would have run that command

kdebluetoothd

I’ll try to get my internet back (gotta change some settings ) and emerge it. Just didn’t think I would go dhcp

tuxick, well was sorta looking for a gnome solution thingy since I don’t have any kde stuff

i’ll send you dhcpcd in the mail inside a floppy

or something

myzrael, live cd, some mounts, chroot, emerge it, its not that bad

likewhoa, unfortunately i don’t have an infinite supply of money to burn on disks

i have reasons for using kde ;p

hehe

sion_ righty
lol likewhoa

myzrael, most in handbook you can skip for that

see you later then

gigabytes are so cheap now a days,.. 250GB drives are like $60 now.

I’ll fix it

likewhoa, not here lol

250 for 60?

oh

not really likewhoa

maybe obexfs

I bought 500 for 130
hihi

yea 250 is about $60.

hitachi gig drives are sweet

lol

where from?

likewhoa not bad

you americans….
portugal

er TB drives

be back

i visited palma de mallorca once

likewhoa, who cares?
that’s not portugal
-_-

puto
the small hitachi drives are sweet 1tb in a laptop
now that’s how you carry a video store in your laptop

likewhoa didn’t know they had them laptop sized now

yea

watch the abusive language here, please

tuxick, kk I’ll try it out.. emerging it now

500GB will cost you about 120¬ here

rip off
cheaper if you bought from here and had it shipped.

that’s like 160$

oh that’s not bad.. you’re just a cheap bastid.

i’m trying to find a user friendly distro..when i mention user friendly i mean text based installation

likewhoa, i considered that

psykon, europe ?

i’m buying a laptop
soon

you can install gentoo from the command line.

too bad you american bitches don’t ship here

OH no im LOST!

in .de like 90 EYPO

“US and Canada”

gentoo if very user-friendly under that definition

sion_, portugal

lang plz

*is

really ?

psykon, bought a 500 gb for 95 euro here, netherlands

good price.

i like saometing i’m able to totally tweak and customize to where it doesnt look like anything else

brand?

some how they took out pand now how the heck do i set the old network up

that’s gentoo

likewhoa, lacie.. so seagate I assume

example:I found FreeBSD to be easier than ubuntu

you’re in the right place

it’s probably WD

um is there a way to go back a version or two

oh i am?

i had a lacie and it was WD

likewhoa, could be, I dont care much

when KDE 4.0 comes out
should I do a complete reinstall?

samsung, seagate, hitachi, WD… all 100 Euro

i have only ONE blank CD…

sure, why not

mirror.gentoo.org

likewhoa, could well be… lacie is confusing on that

i’m deciding betwen gentoo and arch but gentoo seems to be more FreeBSD like..from what ive seen on what portage is like

right again

when KDE 4.0 is in portage, i’m just wondering whether it will be safe to emerge kde 4.0 over 3.5.7

blazemonger, don’t ask that here

and i don’t like GUI’s

you’re gonna be a biased answer

Tehxt it prob will build slotted or something

arch is better

what does that mean, tdr

Tehxt, yes, they use separate directories

from reading the manuals on both gentoo has that bsd feel to it

Tehxt, its not yet, it will be in overlay before it hits main stream

it’s already on the overlay

portage was developed with *bsd’s ports in mind

well, october 27 is the target release date for final

Tehxt means your login manager will let you pick 3.x or 4.x kde probably

psykon, woo, it said ‘today’ not a time/date zone

ah cool

ok it’s gentoo goingo n this blank cd

and there will be .kde4 folder i’m guessing

sion_, what?
Tehxt, not sure, they recommend that you create a new user

good luck

i’m definitely switching to kde 4 though, it looks great so far

to test it

psykon, tomorrow even, on beta 1

at least i’ll have a distro thats not windows’fied

when i start x, only one mouse gets initialised

Riiiight, lets all break our systems by installing new DE’s which have 1001 dependencies, then cry when a reinstall is required

i’d like my touchpad and my usb mouse to initialize

Tehxt, do you have more than one mouse? Oo
oh

it seems if i unplug my usb mouse then my touchpad goes
but i have to reboot and plug in my usb if i want that
so it’s basically reboot to switch mice right now
my xorgconfig has more than one mouse

That’s something implemented in hardware with your laptop, my Thinkpad does the same thing.

lol@ astinus, still using drupal?

.. I’ve never used Drupal

well, i dunno about that astinus

oh nvm then

kubuntu could initialise both without a problem
i’m almost thinking about installing that on a separate partition to look at its xorg config

hmm i’m trying to understand this PAM thing. if i use vsFTPd with pam_mysql, how on earth does it find out what uid/gid to use?

vsftpd generally uses the names on your system

Tehxt, try some live cd’s

yeah that’s a good idea actually
another thing is

okay, so vsftpd+mysql probably won’t work so good then. thank yo

Tehxt, I stole most of my xorg.conf from one

when i use a live cd of knoppix or ubuntu it autodetects usb drives and such
how can i get that going in kde with gentoo?
like sorta like automount
but i cant even get that to work

Tehxt install hal, ivman, dbus

Tehxt, thats a different story not just a conf. I do all that manual
bTehxt, thats a different story not just a conf. I do all that manual/b

i can’t say i had a bad experience with ubuntu
but gentoo is way faster

.. where “way faster” is equal to about 0.7% under a usual workload.

faster and suffer, just don’t bitch

Language.

astinus, placebo does wonders

woops

I know

sion_, huh?
well then psykon
someday i’ll install gentoo with kde and kubuntu side by side to compare

Tehxt, uuhm, I meant, faster but you pay a price for it, take it like a man

How can i check if any firewall is blocking access to port no 3306

yes, risk and time
;/

i can try to telnet to it

Tehxt, just how will you benchmark it?

two exact same machines
the problem is

tdr, radeon is a driver. it is the driver for the radeon generic cards. startx worked when I set the driver to “radeon”

my USE flags probably affect the speed of kde directly
while Kubuntu seems to have a lot more support built into its own KDE

Mishu, u can telnet to it yourself?

yes
i got it!

tdr
thanks
this looks like it might work
i was missing ivman

back back :d
dhcp working

Tehxt, some distro’s are very focussed on ‘automatic’ recognition of things and do not care much what it does to the performance after that. not for me

(although ofcourse that’s piece of cake once you have emerge the deamon)
now on to the tricky part. I have to get my wireless network running.

do I need a mouse to work in a wm?

what happens if i write to a unionfs directory that is composed of a local directory and a directory from nfs?

Leth001, no

especially not if you use something like ion

Leth001, I would advice it though

psykon, I’m using fluxbox, but I dont know how to operate it without a mouse

would = wouldn’t

Leth001, well i use xfce so i wouldn’t know
i can do everything with only my keyboard

psykon I love xfce4!!!
But now I need to get wireless working hehehe

Xfce is awesome

browse flash websites/javascript websites with a keyboard only ‘eh/

i stil havent got wirelss working