webben, i’ll try something’

more generally, your HTML is in quirks mode, so buggy behaviour is only to be expected
your html hosting is invalid /and/ it triggers quirks mode

oh…
how do i fix that
also do you notice that “quotes” dont work…

1) a copy of the spec (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/) 2) the validator (http://validator.w3.org/) and 3) http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/ a guide to what doctypes trigger bugs
basically, declare and validate to an HTML 4.01 Strict document type
that cuts out a lot of browser differences (though not all)
it’s just the only reasonable foundation for bugfixing

missing doctype

it is becuase i was experiencing things with quotes and what not

quotes?

like “
they scew up

do you mean: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#quotes-specify
or do you mean ” characters entered into the markup
if the later, that’s because of your encoding issues
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/charset.html#h-5.2 and http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTTP-charset and http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset have lots of information on how to fix that

webben, alright thanks

np

but right now i cant seem to fix the squished text

fix the other issues /first/. If you’ve got valid HTML and CSS and have fixed your encoding problem and still have the squished problem, please do come back
the whole non-quirks triggering & valid HTML deal is a sine qua non of effective bugfixing, because it cuts out a lot of bugs).

ok
webben, what doctype should i use?

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd“
(that’s html hosting 4.01 Strict)

hello, can anybody help me with a problem that im having with IE7 ?

It’s best to ask a specific question giving details and a URI/pastebin (as per topic). Not just ask for extremely vague expertise.

http://www.plusmediaserver.com/ross/

what would be the best way to make tabs?

and i cant figure out why i have the vertical seperation between the items on IE7

%
$

text/html, text/html; charset=UTF-8)

hmm … that’s not what i wanted

hello
hey, how can I tell if I’m in quircks mode or not?
I had my page’s DOCTYPE set to HTML 4.01 strict and I just changed it to XHTML 1.0 Transitional, but I think I see some minor differences in the way both versions are rendered by the browser

You might well, as Transitional triggers almost standards not standards.
(in some browsers)

??

see http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/

but I can’t use strict, right? ’cause I’d need the xhtml mime type

(to answer your question more directly, see http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=RenderingMode
Eh? No you’re confused.
(and that probably indicates you shouldn’t be using XHTML to begin with)

I’m just further investigating about it
to see what I should be using

the document type does not determine what mime type you should use.

no, I know

XHTML of any sort should be served as application/xhtml+xml. XHTML 1.0 of any sort /may/ be served as tag soup text/html.

but I read somewhere xhtml strict or 1.1 require the correct mimes to be set
maybe it was for 1.1

There’s no difference between XHTML 1.0 Strict and XHTML 1.0 Transitional and Frameset in that regard.

I see

1.1 /must/ be served as application/xhtml+xml

which many browsers don’t support at any rate, right?
so I probably could be serving xhtml 1.0 strict instead of html 4…

Yes. On what media type to use see: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/ . On some practical problems with XHTML (including that one), see http://webdev.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/why-not-xhtml

1 using zhtml is not going to make stuff better
crap I mean xhtml

Unless you’re using inline SVG or MathML or ARIA roles not possible in HTML, there’s little or no advantage in using XHTML. And there’s /no advantage whatsoever ever/ in using XHTML 1.0. Which is all you can use for IE anyhow.
(that’s an exaggeration, but it’s not much of an exaggeration)

it’s just that for some reason most of the code I wrote is in xhtml, I think

ooh … also ruby is in XHTML 1.1 … but not implemented except in IE (that doesn’t support XHTML).

and meta /

all those articles you find about xhtml being the next great thing are also dated 2000

It’s relatively trivial to convert between the two.

but I found out html 4.01 doesn’t support those

tidy will switch the two

so I started reading what was it that I did wrong
(so to speak)

i’m doing HTML 4.01 strict and the only difference is that forward slash for those omepty tags

Amenthes, mainly, it seems, yeah

tag enclosed

Standards compliance mode (in the info dialog)
(to both)
(both versions of my page, that is)
but still they look a little bit different…
any idea why?
(why that might be)

Kronuz, well, teoreticaly an XHTML page should have an XML prologue, that page will render in quirks mode
Kronuz, post some links

I’m not sure those dialogs distinguish between almost standards and standards (they may do, I can’t remember).
but we certainly can’t get into specifics with URIs or a pastebin

yeah, just reading about the “almost standard” layer

s/with/without/

or layout, sorry

s/lay(er|out)/mode/g

makes it quirks in IE6 (for XHTML 1.0 strict)

I guess if I du use XHTML 1.0 I should be using it without that XML host declaration

Kronuz, XML should have an XML prologue

“please note that the XML declaration makes IE 6 (but not IE 7!) trigger the Quirks mode”

screw xhtml

XHTML 1.0 served as text/html isn’t XML. (It might survive being parsed as XML. Sometimes. )

and also “The XML declaration is not required, so omit it unless you want IE6 and Opera 7.0x in QuirksRenderingMode. The XML declaration will not by itself throw IE7 into QuirksRenderingMode.”

Kronuz, these are just excuses to use XHTML served as text/html

hehe

can I use float on a non-block element?

helloRobot, yes, but it would make it a block one

yes

thanks

I can’t figure out why two events in this calendar are sitting on top of each other in IE6 http://demo12.csquaredtech.com:9080/plone/events
I’ve tried line-height ..

Possible to set max width on images with css?

you try it yet?
]]]max-width

max-width http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css#support-css2propsbasic-maxwidth (IE 6: N) (IE 7:50%) (FF 1.5: Y) (FF 2: Y) (Opera 8.5: Y) (Opera 9: Y) (Konqueror 3.5: ?) (Safari 2: ?))

50% with IE7? Is that a patch issue?

read it to find out

patch issue?
it supports it well enough for most typical usage

just curious why it said only 50% of IE7. Stinks that IE6 doesnt though. hmm

yeah, have to read it

riddle me this #css
i have 3 divs “in a row”, both the first and third div are known widths, how do i set the middle div so it will stretch in the space left over and work in IE/FF/Opera
no zoffix?

divs don’t arrange ‘in a row’
how have you done that?

is there some special trick to centering a 16 pixel image to an 18 pixel line height?

all the ways I can think of accomplishing that effect would already have your middle one stretching to fill hoizontal space

CodeOfficer, why not just pad it from the top by 1px?

ooo thats some good thinking
thx Thecks
– not a css guy

No problem, its nice when you know how big its going to be
I hate it when its dynamic values :p

haha no kidddin
i feel safer in the code heh

Dewi, thats what i want, to fill the middle space somehow and put them all in a row

~bin
i need some help
can i paste my code somewhere

pastebin.ca

hi, i have a table with low border colored and i want on cell when selected to make the low border dissapear, is there a way to do this?

http://pastebin.ca/670821
my rollover is not working
for button_admin
can someone tell me why/
tnx

o, ok got it, with 0 cellpadding works fine

any help?

hey, in a div, is it possible to make it 50% in its width but without counting the padding and margin? like I want to make two columns out of two divs
but I want them to have some padding
and if I add the padding the divs I suppose get wider than the 50% and the float goes down

anyone know if there is a channel to ask about color coordination and design?

you can ask here

anyone around that will troubleshoot my css layout, its near perfect but i have some issues
253 users and you’re all silent
what a great channel

any help on my problem?

hey, is there a way to validate html directly in firefox?

if there was, it would be on the addons thing at mozilla.org

opera can do it

in other words, not by default

oh
I’m using the w3 validator, but I can’t validate pages inside the user’s accounts
it now validates nicely as XHTML 1.0 Transitional

you can upload a page to the validator
opera can do it

hehe
opera, how?

right click on the page, click “Validate”

that simple!?
nice
whoohoo!! “This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!”
I’m getting that all around
it was a tough job and there’s still a lot to do, but I’m getting there

so who is the css layout ninja

whats your question?

i have a layout almost complete but it has 2 issues that I need to straighten out
http://jeffreywilliam.com/testing.php
my footer bar doesn’t stay at the bottom correctly, and my content pane overflows

whats your question?

uhh, how do i fix it?
the question is implied in the problems i’ve stated
can you help?
did you crawl back underneath your bridge?

http://design.freakykiwi.com/ – see how when you hover over one of the iphone-y widgets the title comes up? how would I make it so that it doesn’t move down but the title just comes up

text-align: center; position: absolute; margin-top: -1.2em; width: 100%;
try that

on which element

the span

k
perfect
thanks for that

np

willing to look at my layout and see if you can fix my 2 issues?

working on this site, http://dev.fczc.org/ and was wondering if anyone could give me opinions on color layout?
you can click the left link to cycle through the alternate style sheets or just use your browsers builtin method

]footerstickalt
]footer

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FooterInfo , http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/footerStickAlt/ , http://reisio.com/examples/headerfooter/

try those jeffrey

q[bline]: i like style 5

hey, thanks jeffrey

hey, for a radio input, what’s the proper way of saying it’s selected?
(as for it to validate)

woot i fixed it
no thanks to any of you!

Does anyone have any idea what setting I’m missing or that I need to add to get rid of these extra 2 px’s added to each LI by IE6 but not by any other browser? (http://www.browsercam.com/projects/372646/12605322.png = bad http://www.browsercam.com/projects/372646/12605323.png = good, see it for yourself at http://www.steamstudios.com/freelancer/justin/r22/about/index.html)
I thought I could quench all the IE6 bugs, but this one has taken me over a week now. I never knew a company like MS could piss me off so much .

Never underestimate your enemy

Skell, I wish I could have told Apple that 30 years back

MS

vista has best flashing progress bars

sounds ugly

they go up slowly so they had to add that

I’m lucky not to have been exposed to Vista…yet. I’m sure my cherry will be popped on some dark day of my future.

it’s like ie7 but it is a whole os

hah, I like the description paotzu

clients blow

Someday we all will have to bow to the Vista
But thee shalth not fear Vista

or switch to mac/linux?

Fear what comes after it
Yeah, switching would be good

lol
this year was huge for apple
Apple is catching up
http://10layers.com/2007/01/2010-apple-larger-than-microsoft/

if you play the latest games, Windows is mandatory, otherwise you can use whatever just as good as the next

Latest games
I haven’
t played good commercial game
in a long time

so yeah, another reason why they say “Apple users are smarter”

graphikz
i 3 u

=D
3

Apple did great this year and will do much better when most of the average joe Winblows users realize how much easier the OS X platform will be on them.

in some ways, OS X is harder.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/08/23/apple-notebook-market-share-making-gains-over-summer

Terminal instead of Task Manager for example

17.6% notebook share for apple is HUGE

apple users are smarter is like dumb tho beacuse alot more people use windows like all those chinese people

not surprised

graphikz, you don’t have to use terminal to replace the function of task manager

well, it works better that way xD

Forcequit

omg to many flamin’ hot cheetos

or right click on the icon in the dock and forcequit

yeah, that works to… most of the time

but you’re right, terminal would be the full fledged eleet way to take care of business

but when all else fails!

nothing like a sudo kill -9

=p
thank god I have linux experience

in my experience, Mac users are dumbasses
but not because they use a Mac

there are some…
I just did a site for a guy that has a Mac
and holy shit, I must say he is retarded…

that’s how it used to be

he can “video edit” on it
“video editing” meaning cutting parts out and adding shitty text

things have changed a lot

youtube editing

but it used to be “Mac is faster and better, even though I have never touched a motherboard in my life”

Well, I think that Stupid user and Windows don’t match, considering the lots of… Random Error Generators, and unexpected disasters..

windows users are just stupid consumers

stupid users and Windows are a match made in heaven

would that guy have been made any smarter using a pc?
I mean, come on, would he even know what to do after his first virus or spyware?

he would have been smarter if his dad wore a condom

I think not
there ya go

did I say he would?
just that smarter people tend to buy Macs

no, but it was inferred that he was stupid because he was usign a mac

so I fixed my layout issues, anyone care to see my design?

as per jeffrey’s statement that “mac user’s are stupid”
perhaps they are, but they are smart in using a computer that probably will be more intuitively usable then some CS engineers wet dream joke of an OS that windows has become

i explicitly stated it wasn’t because of use of a Mac

ok, you got me

I just said, in my experience, most Mac users are dumbasses aka computer and especially hardware illiterate
the proprietary nature of Mac used to compound those facts
but not so much anymore
and using a Mac certainly doesn’t turn you into a dumbass

Mm, this would be good advertisements “Use Microsoft, we we will prepare you to facing the impossible”, or so…

rofl

http://jeffreywilliam.com/layout.php
what do you think?

that thing of the bottom is kind of annoying

looks nice, but I would have the right column be flush to the bottom with the middle
(faux column style perhaps http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/)

looks purple
pretty hot tho

I always thought apple should use Dell’s advertisements against them

dude im getting an apple

“Oh, it’s your 7th time sending your plastic PieceofshitC in for repairs. Hah!! Dude, you got a Dell”

hehe, when!?

dell has the best RMA department in the business

Perhaps they can borrow Nelson from the Simpsons for the “hahha”
RMA yes

super friendly

because they have to
hence the 7 times

actually graphikz im getting a new pc
should be coming monday
im pumped

My old roommate and I got eqiuvalent laptops, his Dell, mine an Apple

stupid ups doesnt deliver on weekends

His was into dell 7 times in 2 years, mine never had a single probelm.

I have had no problems yet with this..
Dells have SERIOUS problems
=D

like?

After working as the tech consultant for UCF’s bio department, I saw the same shit happening with Dell

everything

I think they lost their edge personally

their hard drives

i have a dell laptop and its been fine for ever

like cheap ass made in china motherboards

i need to read some tutorial about floats

]float

THey use to make good stuff at a nice price, but they let quality assurance go by the wayside.

float @ DawnLight

pretty good support too sometimes

]float @ DawnLight

]float tutorial @ DawnLight

float tutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/ , http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html
a href=”http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/”http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial//a , a href=”http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html”http://phrogz.net/css/understandingfloats.html/a

CHeck out the PC annual readers satisfaction survey’s
I wish they would get more factual on a 2-3 year period
not just the first 30-90 days
I’d like to see how many things break down on other PC’s vs macs

]float tutorial]float tutorial 2]float tutorial 3]floattutorial @ DawnLight
agh

thanks

all those work

However, I fear Apple is also going the way of Dell now that it is putting out items in serious volume

idk
everyone buys apple for their looks and like o that guy in the movie has one i need one

do they have 2 buttons on their mice now?

lol

Apples are in like EVERY movie now =p

apples have always been in every movie
beacuse movies dont want to endorse microsoft

I remember seeing some Dells

yeah dells
but like 90% apple

I noticed that too, it’s part of Hollywood’s reality distortion campaign

they always have had two buttons on the Mighty Mouse
you just need to learn how to use em o.O

only 2 buttons
how do u live _

Fracture + Disturbia were probly the two largest Mac-movies
I use an MX518 =p

nah any movie is a mac movie thats not a computer like based movie

quick question guys… how do you get an iframe to be an equal height to the content it contains, to avoid scrollbars
?

dont think u can?

sorry to ask an html question here
but the guys in #html are baked

JavaScript flamesrock

javascript, eh

umm like legally blonde

flamesrock, we smoke too

haven’t seen it

lol

all the people have apple laptops in the classes

I”m a california medical patient

and she like buys a pink one

use offsetHeight

gotta get rid of that excess anxiety some how
:0
doh

even in cartoons

offsetheigh hmmm I think that might be it
tx

Do you just want to avoid scrollbars?

no problem

yup

hidden;
=P

i saw like fairly odd parents the dude had a ‘pear’ computer which was basically making fun of the apple

accessibility issues

I wonder if you can use an overflow:hidden; style on it?
(i’m a noob, I am most likely way off)

it won’t do what he wants

what do u need the iframe for?

he wants it to inherit the size of the content

yeah
but like whats the content

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/frames.html#h-16.5

like maybe a php include would be better?

scrolling (yes|no|auto) auto — scrollbar or none –

well I have a gallery that I want to embed in my site
quick and dirty

bad idea

o

accessibility issues w/ no scrollbar

ahh

i wanna get a mac mini and call it big mac

lol
god I need to get paid
=\

lol
sux 4 u

mail + checks blow

paypal – $1.30 bullshit fees = gay

meh, I’ll just make it some ridiculous height

lol

yeah like 903

want help w/ the JS?

i think he wants ssomething fast and now
height=”103%”

http://www.dyslexitech.com/gallery.shtml
lol np this is cool

that works
thats old school

holyshitwide.

way I like it

graphikz who do you make sites for ? not gamers?

whoever is willing to pay my fees
which is normally not gamers

lol

yeah gamers suck dick
this guy wanted a full cms with users and shit for $85

I think I will be happy with IMG

thats like gas money

they give everything upfront
for your nightly runs to Taco Bell?

anyone seen this? http://www.nouptime.com/
hilarious

yes

rofl

I never saw joke-webs like that, I wonder if there is more
But with clever redaction, not any crap either

I would buy from them
if they were real

lol?

rofl Ruby on Boats

heh

they deserve it

…
if you say so

=D
I need to workout
brb
30ish

Dedicated Win 3.11 with Steve Balmer
now there’s a package

what does he do?

_

throw chairs at the sys admin?

yeah

He jumps up and down and stage screaming like an ape while turning bright red.
That’s gotta be worth something.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
omfg
zenergi, best sarcasm I have ever read

Hah, thanks, I’m not usually known for my humor. I’ll admit, it feels good to vent after a week of trying to get things to work with IE6.

that’s fucked up

Does anyone have a stat on what %age of the internet is using IE6? I know it’s something atrocious like 20-30%

I think it was more than 60%

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp (anyone have a better stat?)

Zofbot has a stat

Poor Safari, I love that browser. It may not be safe, it may not really work, but it looks SOOOOOOO nice you have to use it

anyone still using IE6 is not allowed to visit my website
simple and effective solution

how can i make a floated element’s parent increase it’s height to contain it’s floated child? see picture overflows parent div: http://www.awareness.org.il/thread163#comment-60

i wish I could say that but it’s hard to turn down 37% of your customers
I do wish browser specific messages were used more, or at least some sort of effort to unwind some of Microsoft’s monopolistic practices

Mmm, impossible…

flamesrock, you can take it even far than that and ban all win platforms  

i use Konqueror, which has the khtml engine, same as safari i think. love that browser

i should say, IE6/7 specific messages alerting users of the incompatibilities and what developers have to do to make things work with big MS

true, but windows users have the option of using a proper browser

How is that handled now in Vista?
are both automatically installed or does the user get a dialogue upon install?

both what?

Firefox / IE7

probably just ie7?

In Dreams I think
Why would microsoft want to promote FF

yeah?

Didn’t they have to stop the autoinstall of IE because of the antitrust lawsuit?

evil i tell you

or did señor bush throw that one out?

its impossible
the shell is based on IE

They are better to pay, than to change anthing, just like with DirectX monopoly

I don’t think free IE is necessarily a bad thing in the current market

so then they should be forced to install FF or give the user a dialogue and a choice from a list of common browsers

At very least you need something to download firefox with

wget

That’s good point

as soon as you login to the workstation, the core of IE is running
honestly, IE7 is decent

blasphemy

I beilieve that IE7 is more or less copy of other good browsers

well yeah

with still not good rendering engine
missing lots of stuff FF has for example

when I say decent, I mean an improvement from IE6

Yeah

however terrible that might be

Skell, I noted very similar rendering of FF 1.5, before 2.0 was out

konqueror is my all time favorite

rnst, you mean FF1.5 and IE had the same?

yeah
sorry
ie7

Or there was no upgrade from 1.5 to 2.0

IE6 should be pulled from the market
it is such a nuisance

zenergi, how can you pull out of the market something is bundle in?

say that it is illegal
and windows XP is illegal
it would work
more or less

lol
hm, so so
Latinamerica mostly use pirated windows

the law is illegal. anarchy will surface

DawnLight, party on
crackers ftw

life
yey!

IE6 should be destroyed
and burried

and ie7 no?

in the desert

you’re right, but at least have MS’s auto update app notify the people their browser is shit and they should at least upgrade to the next revision of shit in the MS browser pile

ie7 is alright
not saying its great

zenergi, do you believe you can convince them?

the whole ms should be atomized

in that way?

Users are deaf, blind, and retarded

No, I think they like it that way

Yeah, this is the problem

I think they like to make people think that it’s someone else’s fault the site doesn’t work right, not IE6

Heh

They could at least, make it up to standard, but that to is part of their plan

just say its ur moms fault for u being born

MS doesn’t want to say that their old product is crap, they will look bad

They want to have their own standards
and ways of doing something
they want to monopolize everything

lol MS look bad? never!

more than already look then
looks
damn

bookz

they want to make the standards and we have a government that is run by the corporations like them, so you’re right, perhaps my whining is wasted effort.

there was nice site, stopie.com

actually isnt homeland security shit built into vista?
so they can see if ur watching pr0n
lol

you need a new line, you used that one already on someone else
you need a new line, you used that one already on someone else

xD

which line

No, this is so you can’t crack

“just say its ur moms fault for u being born”

and p2p

o
that line is so like 1 minute and 15 seconds ago

lol

hah

page going up ^
just make a redirect for ie6 and make it like a 1 publish your images online page
like the whole page is an image

Imagine how IE creators feel, when so many people call it crap

ie creators did it in like 7 minutes

phr0zen, you can always make it in Flash instead one image

yeah that takes work tho

=o

Not too much

and work is just another 4 letter word
graphikz u9 doing some bench press

huh?
I am finished

the best web hosting way to give specific styles to ie6?

yes

I don’t like CC so much
what about when ie8 got out
3 CC for one crap engine

cc?

conditional comment

o.O

Hi. I’m trying to put a graphic of a triangle under the selected list item here: http://paste.css-standards.org/23587 but regardless of which li is selected, it’s always the first one, the one with the “selected” class, that is “lit up”. How do I show the graphic under the selected li?
Hover works. Selected doesn’t.

what other options are there?
I can’t find any way to get these list items to space out right in IE6

This is straight out of Cederholm’s “Web Standards Solutions”.

cant u use like _style { }
or some bs

anything I do in IE6 breaks the style in every other browser and vice versa

that’s not
valid
what you can do also is * html body w.e { }

vice-versa, someone is calling you

8px;

oh, no one is

not valid =x

why

cause it isn’t
ask w3c

when did this happen

lol

does the star html hack work on ie6 too?

yeah star hack works
and it’s valid

I noticed FF was picking up on my * html styles, perhaps I did it wrong

im gonna make my own validator muhahaha

when I do it I list every element leading up to it
you are gonna quit half way through

nah dude

I would put money on it

if (url == true){valid = true}

ahh, I’ll try to be more specific and see if that works

lol

graphikz, if you want to spend your money so much, give it to me

who said I do?
=o

santa did

you are saying that for the second time

money on it as in a bet

you said you would paid that nouptime website

so I would win =D
I was saying if that was real hosting
I would but it

yeah, validator which checks the browser used by the creator, and if (Browser==FF){valid=”HELL YEA!”}

but it’s not =(
mhmm

elseif(browser==ie){system.explode}

lol

should make a flash simulation of that
like a guy goes to a site in firefox it works

flash blows

u blow

lol

I know

u and ur anti flash

flash is actually ok

lol

what about khtml, web kit (safari), and opera?

yeah its aight

I mean is the only way to do your website look exactly on every browser
but is then only thing good I guess

no
I can make it a giant image
lol

yeah cuz u stole my idea

what you think is bad in Flash?

I think flash is bad

Skell, the usability, accesability

^^

15«070015:072315:071015» 07{phr0zen07} like the whole page is an image

when was this

when they changed the validator
not valid
same exact time

oh

you ever gonna finish your site

I picked up another job
soo yah
I started recoding it
got all the tag shit done
and most of the blog

we should just move to flash based websites and be ignorantly happier

didnt before the backend said you were using ruby on rails
or use 1 browser
or have the government require we use 1 standard browser and be lethally enforced

I’ve gotten lazy about finding work

k im done being weirdo

Governent should say “FF is illegal!” then everyone would use it

lol

People love to do what they can’t do

one IM and I got a job

MS is already trying to say that everything OSS is illegal

when it’s that easy might as well send the IM

Nice

lol
DRM ftl

RoR was getting annoying
switched back to PHP
3 OOP

OOPz

that’s what your parents said xD

graphikz, write a book on how to get job using the IM technique

You like OOP, so you moved AWAY from Rails?

lol

graphikz is like give me job or i hack u

I am used to traditional programming languages/syntax

really, that could be a best seller and later on feature on lynda.com

I remember one American college that said, “Do not use Firefox, it is a hacking tool like Kuzu”
Me too, but Ruby really appeals to me

yeah learn alot in college

really?

online resources for RoR are limited as well, making it hard to learn

wow

There are some good books

you need Agile Web Development with RoR to really learn it
never got around to it

plus there podcast

I bought it
and one day, I will get around to reading it

I have heard good things
my old mentor was supposed to send it to me
haha
I gotta finish up the JavaScript Anthology
^^ best book I have read so far in my life

sitepoint ftw
i got ripped on a sitepoint contest kind of gay
they like canceled the contest

I would rather read a web/programming book over literature any day
lol

and said someone else won and there design was like half mine and half someone elses

ha.
I heard of someone getting a scholarship doing that

sitepoint contests?

doing what
getting ripped on sitepoint?

Art
Someone just photoshopped together two wallpapers from Skinz.org

rofl

and won a college scholarship

thats bs

another reason not to go to college

if they can do that
i could get like a full ride

I too have become a Rubyist. I got scared away a few years ago, not I”m back with a fervor

Wow

It has all the structure of Java with none of the gruntwork

As far as the IM method, I know people and come highly respected and recommended

and I’ll spend a week writing a perl script to do something that would take a day to do manually
just to avoid gruntwork

graphikz can u sponsor my team

no

I do love the ability to add the basic ajax you need without hardly a word of javascript, per se

lol
i dont even have a team

was that fastest response ever?

ruby is a beautiful language

lol

just wanted to piss u off

I don’t like frameworks though
I like writing my own shit

not that I am any expert to say that , but it sure has reinvigorated my joy of programming.

I would be happy to write my own framework =D

im thinking of making an irc script so when people say sponsor in a query to me it says no

not hard
=p

i know
but it could get anoying lol

Frameworks save you work

they are bulky

from what I understand, RoR leaves that door open. Use Ruby to extend the current framework

had to do so with what I had done
I feel that I can stay more organized using what I know extensively (PHP)
just making everything into a function/class

graphikz wants to be like DHH

do I?

lol

hmm, I guess we do have some in common
although I am much much younger than he

you are a flaming bastard too?

have you seen his girlfriend?

no
where, where

holy shit
she is beautiful
egh not as good as I remember
but here
http://flickr.com/photos/46457493@N00/206239230/
I don’t like her nose/lips region

I don’t like the rails fanatics, they can stop talking about it and they imitate everything that DHH do

graphikz ill photoshop here nose out
just for u

lol

she is not thaat hot

like I said
I remember her being better

in other pic?

may have been

maybe the cam didnt capture her beauty on that shot

lol
damn cameras =p

In this code, http://paste.css-standards.org/23587 how would any of the list items that do NOT have class=”selected” ever get “lit up”?

code typo

I don’t understand how anything but the one list item which has class=”selected” would ever be lit up.
By “lit up”, I mean the graphic shown under that li.

#subnav li a
you don’t need that
just have it be .selected
unless you have more than one .selected
other than that, it works for me

No difference after getting rid of li a, not that I thought it would make any.

are you hosting it locally?

yes

what is the url in your local address bar?

http://192.168.0.8:8000/directory/search/#

ahh
no brainer =p

The page isn’t changing.
That’s why.
It’s an AJAX tab pane.
Damn.

url(site_media/graphics/site_assets/triangle-up.gif) no-repeat bottom center;
change it to that
you don’t need the “s either

I don’t think the double quotes matter.
I see the graphic.

assuming the whole thing is in the /search/ folder
hm
so what is the problem?

I just don’t see it ever changing on select.
It changes on hover.

try adding a background color
see if that applies
green url(…

ok
I have the third li selected but the first one is still highlighted and the bg color applied to that one.

browser?

It doesn’t matter which li I select, the first is the one that’s always highlighted.
FF

maybe it’s in your JS?
the selected is not changing

does the URL have to change for this to work?
The URL doesn’t change.

you are using AJAX, correct?

Yes, when I click on the link, it fires off a query to the db an fetches stuff.

when you click the link
does the class=”selected” apply to the link you click?
it must refresh or you must have JS do it
http://equitymma.com/tabs1.php example I did a while back

No, the class isn’t changing, which is the problem.
If AJAX were not involved, how would it ever change?
Would it have to be changed in JS anyway?

yeah
that’s what I do
there are more efficient ways than what I did

I’ve given up on efficient on this project. We have seven Flash ads on this page. The page is quite porky.

lol
assign each tab an id

So another 20k or so in JS would make any diff.

you can jack my code for all I care

I’m using YUI so I can probably do something there.

I am not familiar with yahoo user interface
sorry =\

I already have ids assigned to each li
I’m using YUI Grids too. Nice system.

anyway
ugh not really in the mood for explaining
you could put all the tabs in an array
and have a function switchTab(id)
it loops through the array, if the id in the array == id, set it’s class, else, delete it’s class
I am gonna hit the sack
night

good night

Can anybody help me debug a css issue quickly? I’m trying to take the css corners mentioned here: http://www.html.it/articoli/nifty/index.html but I’d like to have the borders appear individually, not in left and right pairs. Any ideas? Thanks!

morning guys
anyone knows whether ie 7 finally supports png alpha transparency?
without cruel image filter hacks

yes

cool..

I have a logo with PNG transparency and it shows up fine in IE7 but as a white blob in IE6.
My “hack” is going to be to feed IE6 a JPEG.

You know about AlphaImageLoader?
Works pretty fine, even tho it messes up your code a bit

Yes, but it’s heavier than just feeding a JPEG.
Why bother?

Yeah, but JPEGs don’t support alpha transparency either

The only reason I had the alpha transparency was that I could set the background colour in CSS anyway.

Ah, ok, then it’s fine of course

So, PNG, bg colour bleeds through. JPEG, it doesn’t. No hacks necessary.

Sure, but I got a background image and things are different then

In my case, it’s just white text on a blue background.

Yeah, doesn’t matter then
Here it’s hibiscus flowers
Oops
You know, these flowers typical for Hawaii
damn, Xchat is going crazy

easy fix – no javascript was necessary – just added this to the Django page templates for each li {% if request.path|activePage:”/directory/foo/” %}class=”selected”{% endif %}
…. where the name of the page was substituted for foo

Hello
anyone knows if it is possible to validate the whole website in one time instead of validating one page by one ?

you could download the whole website and run a local validator…
but i don’t know any

How do you get the current location out of an iframe? getAttribute( “src” ) gives me the source that was originally set, not the most up to date location

Hey guys, rounded corners again.. Is there a way to make the outer parts of the corners transparent so that the background image is visible and not a white or whatever background? See http://dadark.ath.cx:3000/login and the corners of the login box

You could always make them as graphic with transparent color
unless it is a method
of drawing pictures at square’s corners
and besides I
am not a CSS Tricks err, Enciclopedia
you don’t have to write PX next to zeroes in your code
when defininf style

I know
Transparent images don’t work

No, I can’t help you
All I can do is wha tI need to do

Because the transparent part reflects the background color of the box
Heh, ok

You can always
shrink the whole box

So, anybody?

put the corneers outsidethe Box
and er. how to write this

Sure, but then I can’t make the box resizable

hmm

I need to create corners for each size of box
so…

No, then I don’t have ay more ideas

Thank you anyway
Whoa
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/boxes/chunky.html
Lovely

Yea, nice

I am displaying a list of countries from a text file, encoded in UTF-8, but in IE6 the first country has a square before it
in Mozilla or IE 7 I do not have this problem, the PHP file containing the list is also encoded in UTF-8
can anyone help me ?

You can do a workaround, PHP detects if browser is IE7, and if yes, then delete first character of first country

Odd. What is the character showing as square?

I don’t know, when I send the form by e-mail, I cannot see the square, I can only see it when showing the page and by viewing the source

Probably a control character that somehow worked its way in
Can you delete it?

How ? I cannot see it in any editors

Which editors have you tried

I can try the tip of Skell, but if there is another way …

Oh, here’s an idea.

Yea, you better find the root of the problem instead of doing workaround

Use PHP to read the file in, cut off the first character, save it back out to another file

or downlaod hexeditor
and take a look inside the file
it could also work

yes

wait

Now that I though, you could open the file in Notepad, Ctrl+a, paste into another notepad and save, but I can’t say if it would work.

Skell I tried this
I opened with hexeditor
I can see something in the beginning of the file
but that is probably normal ?

plaintext files don’t have any headers

oh

delete it

Notepadd++ must have added this when I changed format from ansi to UTF-8

the only other thing is if it is a foreign language character

ok

sounds about right

I’ll try to delete it

It just reminded me of how my brother managed to create an Icon which made explorer hang when its graphic was displayed.

That’s special
I used to have a song that crashed winamp
I never heard the end of that song
until recently, that is

And when I was doing something with one sound
and my comp crashed
then every time I pressed this sound the explorer crashed

nice

Also, I had similar song on Amiga

this is incredible, now by removing the character in Hexeditor, I have it working !

That’s good

Yes, the song that crashed Winamp was sarcophaser.mod

Thank you

I forget if I ever tried it on Amiga

mathii, No problem
mine was called Nine Feelings
there was a theme of heartbeat in the back
and when it reached the climax

np

it crashed

nice
us Amiga people know how to solve problems

Hehe
I am not THAT amiga people
Though I raised on Amiga and c64

obviously not problems like
how to stop Commodore going bankrupt

When I was young, and I tried to load game in Commodore, I had to hold my breath and freeze so it can load properly from casette.
or something

and they’ll be all
grandad what’s a commodore

Ziliton was the best
http://www.aukcionas.com/post_b.php?id=74264
text in lituenian, but main thin is the picture

Looks like Sega a bit
but it’s first time I’ve hear of it

it was reaaaaly popular in eastern europa

Hmm, Unfortunately I’m middle europe

Middle Europe is what Eastern Europe is called when it doesn’t want to sound third-world

i think it was same as Sega, only from china

I see

You see lots of chinese knockoffs of consoles

We were pegasus addicts here
I didn’t even knew that there was something like Nintendo

Ah, Poland. Thanks for helping us beat the Kaiser (‘-’)b
or was it the Fuhrer

Fuhrer

lol … PL .. its eastern , in my book

Poland, the Twin Duck country…
They say that we are the most advanced country in the world, because we have President’s Clone

which president

Our President, Kaczyñki, has a twin brother

ah
His brother could run for president next
but how would you know which one was which
you could have the same president twice

We have no idea

I just read in some articles that the first characters were there to specify the file is in UTF-8 (called BOM chararcters)

out new president is an idiot
*our
thats a sad .. but fact

I know your pain
We are ruled by idiots since 1991
when we entered the democracy

At least you’re not saddled with Gordon Brown

we had Vaira-Vike Feiberaga for 8 years
had
now its some guy who even looks stupid

It’s worrying, if presidents are really how they look
Bush looks like a monkey

and acts the same

and Putin looks like a Bond villain

but he hasa brains
… and from way he speaks – a lot of ‘em

ha

I need a page with a 230px header, a container beneath that that has a left part with dynamic width and a right one of 230px
how would you do that?
all the damn solutions I found just don’t work

zoffix knows a link to do that
it involves floating one right, and giving the other a margin
I can never get it to work
I looked at the code and it’s voodoo
there is no reason it should work

I think I know how to do this, but my English isn’t THAT good to explain

did that
works like crap
dunno whats wrong with it.. keeps failing in Firefox

give a link?

the page has loads of code..
echangedesliens.fr

will css3 come and save us all?

SOmeday…

one sec

it’ll come, but not save us all
it’s lazy like that

won’t it solve all the problems in this world?

can you have a look?

Dunno, I just tried it didn’t work

weirdest bug ever, this thing works whenever the page loads quickly
otherwise firefox screws up

what do i do when my web hosting’s ftp server is down most of the time?

buy new server

hey, its not my server

Talk with the admin?
of that server

nicely?

switch hosts..
I used to run a webserver, it usually means the admin doesn’t care

i see…

Or that Admin is plain stupid/Incompetent/Both

maybe http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/

It is 100% Nifty

Doesn’t work for me…
damn
it works in IE but in firefox the content extends below the right bar

I have FF and the example wors perfect for me
if you are talking about http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/

It’s this god damned page
everything doesn’t work with it
I never had so many problems with a single design
ah, nvm got it to work through some idiotic tricks that don’t make sense
thanks CSS
it works!!!!
omg
at last..