supposedly they did
not sure if they did for the tools, though

hm

hi
i have a BUILT_SOURCES target that runs a program which throws an error, how do i ask (auto)make ignore the error?

got it, added “-” before the command for the target. sorry for that
ugot it, added “-” before the command for the target. sorry for that /u

going to home
brb

is it necissary to distribute source under the MIT/X11 license?

umm
it’s up to you

than why has it been approved by OSI?
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html; it states that the soure code must be avalible

do any of you know of a tool that could automatically forward all of the mail from one e-mail account to another, like a daemon or something?

.forward?
or procmail
or fetchmail

cool. I’ll check into that

but if it’s a gnu/linux ur unix-y account, then just having a ~/.forward file will probably do the trick..

it’s a pop3 account at my college. I have no desire for the address, but that’s where they’re going to e-mail me anyways
so you’re saying that by using fetchmail to download the mail, just having a .forward file will automatically send it to my other account?

if you have shell access to the mail account, then just a forward file by itself should be enough

unfortunately, I don’t

ok, so then you can use fetchmail to retrieve the mail and in the fetchmail config tell it to deliver the mail to your other account, I think

Hi yurimxpxman

howdy

yurimxpxman, there are, like 10 people in #wget today. It’s a record!
Still not terribly active, though… :/

I’m on my way to see that! 0_o

hi micahcowan

Hi johnsu01
yurimxpxman, don’t they have that info online somewhere? Which college?

ivy tech. I can’t find it anywhere in the webmail
they use squirrelmail, so that may be why the address isn’t listed
looks like it’s actually imap, actually, not pop3

ahah
Yeah, now that I think about it, I think squirrelmail requires an IMAP server to run atop.

http://www.ivytech.edu/helpdesk/faq/stumail-12.html
….wtf…
it looks like they won’t let me have access to the mail jboss server hosting at all

yurimxpxman, :-/
Guess that means you’ll have to check it periodically…
who’s sending what there?

that’s so gay
that’s where the college will send me all my financial information, etc., and that’s probably the address they’ll put in the student directory and stuff
gay
I suppose they don’t even forward the imap port

webmail only?

yeah

I’d be a little surprised. But not /too/ surprised…

I’m thinking I might be able to write a program that saves my mail and uses sendmail to forward it to my gmail, though..
there’s a link at the bottom of every e-mail to download it as text
or, better yet, the printable version, because that includes the header

yurimxpxman, if you can just get the IMAP access, johnsu01’s advice to use fetchmail is spot-on…

I’ll try to get the imap address, but they don’t have it on the site afaict

If you end up having to fetch it over squirrel, don’t use wget unless you’re using the latest/greatest svn version: wget’s handling of authentication sucks :p
Unless, that is, it’s over HTTPS, or is just using the Basic authentication mechanism.

it’s https

cool, then.
Hopefully you can find IMAP or something, though…

yeah, I hope so. It’d be a huge pita to have to crawl the website for new mail

no kidding.

I’ve tried incoming.ivytech.edu, imap.ivytech.edu, pop.ivytech.edu, pop3.ivytech.edu + all at *cc.ivytech.edu.. none of them work Any other suggestions?
hrm.. mail.ivytech.edu exists, but I don’t get any new mail when I check it. Strange.

huh http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/09/2047231

ooh
slashdot, your source for unbiased, unexaggerated news *looks*
The folks at MySQL has quietly announced that it will no longer be distributing the MySQL Enterprise Server source as a tarball. It’s been about a year since the split between the paid and free versions of the database project.
what the cock!!!!
well, nice way to commit suicide guys

I understood that they just don’t give the source to everyone, only to those who get binaries.

it’s suicide

I wonder why – it’s still GPL, so someone buying it form mysql can distribute the code.

someone with access to it will just make a mirror i guess
but their strategy looks bad

yup
fork ftw

Or get PostgreSQL more users.

mysql has inertia

Larhzu, is it? I thought perhaps it was dual-licensed.
Is the Enterprise Server indeed GPL’d?

According to the article it is.

Hm, then yes, that seems… dumb.
Hope they make a lot of money off their first customer…

I guess that the point is that many customers don’t want to distribute the software they have bought.
That would be like helping your competitors.

actually
now i read it?
that’s more in tune with free software, than it is with open source
free software guarantees freedom to the people that use it

Though MySQL AB will not be distributing the source tarball, Urlocker says that MySQL isn’t going to try to stop distribution of Enterprise Server source by others. “If somebody wants to, that’s fine. People can distribute it…. It may not be something we’ve necessarily tested, but we’re not
going to try to coerce people against it.”

there we go

I guess this move hurts more open source than free software camp.

yeah
i don’t give a shit

Or probably has no major effect on anything.

it’s suicide for them
but it’s not denying freedom for any of its users

Community edition will stay, if I understood correctly.
That’s what all distros package.

let’s hope they don’t make it a habbit though

Hehe
Even if they closed everything, it wouldn’t be a catastrophe since MySQL isn’t the only free database.

it would hurt the community
badly

do any of you know what this fetchmail error means? Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table

It looks like fetchmail tried to deliver mail to a specified user, but couldn’t find that user to deliver the mail to.

any idea how to fix it?

without including the password, what is the poll line in your .fetchmailrc?

poll mail.ivytech.edu with proto IMAP
user ‘jwilliams507′ there with password ‘PASSWD’ is ‘jwilliams507′ here options fetchall

Remove the quotes from jwilliams507. I use double quotes around my password.

same song, second verse

Here’s an example of mine:
poll fp.gnu.org with proto apop user sinuhe there with password “foo” is sinuhe here ssl mda “/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem %T
s/%T/%T”/

so if wrotw some software and used someones library in it under the GPL can i still sell my software

Of course, I’m using sendmail, so you’ll need to adapt that.

looks like the mda option is my problem
will your software be proprietary?

You’re question is vague. The vague answer is yes.

you can sell it, but you must follow GPL terms for the whole program

What system are you sending mail from and what MTA does it use?
s/ru/ur/

(so if by “sell” you mean selling individual licenses, the answer is no)

hello, anyone knowlegeable on the issue?

I’m not sure what the MTA is, but it’s a GNU/Linux machine

no, we are clueless and talking out of our arses

what do you mean proprietary,
i sell it to anyone?

I mean does your program contain any non-free software.
you can still sell free software, but it has to be licensed under a free license

proprietare means non-free

non-free as in i can revoke the freedom of ppl using it

Find out what your MTA is. The first test might be a ps ax

not just “under a free license”; but under the GPL

non-free as in you do not distribute the source code and you force your users to sign a non-dislosure agreemant.
well, yes
agreement*

so why couldn’t ppl just take the source and not pay for it and then change it and sell it for themselves

they can
that’s the whole point of the GPL

i miss the point then

you can only pay for the distribution. For instance, you can charge for the service of printing disks containing free software.
the point is for anyone to have the right to modify the software however they need to. Read the GNU manifesto.

the point of what exactly?

what’s a ps ax?

a shell command

well i did modify his code alot

ok, no I get this: Error writing to MDA: Broken pipe
“his code”, meaning a free program?

well, to make it clear: you can tell someone: I give you my version if you pay me some money. but once you give it to him, you have to give to him under GPL terms. which means that he is allowed to pass it on etc.

all changes made to a program licensed under the GPL are also bound to the GPL.

Type (without the quotes) “ps ax | less” and scroll through the list to see if sendmail,postfix, exim, smail, etc. might be listed.

I see postfix listed among a bunch of extra garbage

you can’t say: everyone who wants my version has to buy a license from me. that would be non-free.

i missed alot i keep getting disconected

oh

so i could only make money on my software by distributing it

well, to make it clear: you can tell someone: I give you my version if you pay me some money. but once you give it to him, you have to give to

+ him under GPL terms. which means that he is allowed to pass it on etc.

you can’t say: everyone who wants my version has to buy a license from me. that would be non-free.

I guess that’s the lines you missed

So substitute postfix for sendmail. You might try the poll entry stopping at ssl.

there are also other ways to make money on free software; but it’s a rather complex matter, not explained in a single sentence

well i don’t like that i work on my software and then someone can take it and modify a few lines and sell it too

you can for example get payed by someone for implementing a certain feature they want

What is it you’re trying to do, specifically?

sell some software i wrote I used some library under the GPL, i gutted it and modified it though.
what if i only give the source of what was under the GPL

There’s a FAQ on the GNU website elaborating on the answers to these questions. Go to www.gnu.org and click licenses.

depends on whether the library is actually GPL or LGPL. in the later case, you only need to publish the modified library; in the former case, the license applies also to the application using it

i think GPL
that makes me want to rewrite the library my own way

I tried using sendmail as my mda, but it says: “Recipient addresses must be specified on the command line or via the -t option”
ahah.. I added the -t option and it seems to have done something now..
now I just have to configure sendmail to use my other address
thanks

it says you can charge money for source but has to be same as binary
but someone has to pay for my source before they can redistribute it
free software is good and all but i can’t see how i can make much money if at all on it

making money is our last priority.

not mine i need some money to live

jedi07, look at the comercial gnu/linux distributors
for example

any they are killing little town usa

Furthermore, making MUCH money is not a priority at all.
but there are dozens of ways to earn an income without involving proprietary software.

again, read the GNU manifesto.

But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program’s users, under the GPL.

yes, read the GNU manifesto.

i only have to release the modified version of the code that was under GPL not mine

jedi07, and?

someone said i had to release all the code that uses it

ofc you have to

so every peice of code that ever uses the smallest peice of modified GPL code has to be released

the easiest option is to write individual software for specific customers. making money on free standard software is indeed harder (but not impossible)

what like 50 dollars

if you don’t like it, go to Russia. –I mean write your own code

what do you mean, 50 dollars?

my software isn’t worth that much if someone came to me they would not be willing to pay that much

haven’t you heard? People only pay $50 when they hire a programmer to customise software

well, write different software then

i was thinking the money was in the masses not customizing little things that take a long time and get paid little for

jedi07, if you want money, this is not the career for you

i doubt that

money should be enough for you to get hardware and caffeine
everything else is a luxury

not for me
i also need health insurance

customizations get well payed. usually on a per-hour basis. you only need to get the right customers, i.e. companies

do you want money? Tell me where do you live and I will note a bank next plus the gang )

obviously, priviate users aren’t willing to pay much for a customization

i’m no where near that level for a company to pay me

it theory, you could still get paid well, if they are many users who want a particular improvement, and collect money from them; but that is very hard to organize… I’m not aware of any free software web hosting company working with
such a model
basically, there is little chance of making money with free software that is not used by companies

i just don’t like having to give up all my source becuase i used a little other source that i modified

then write it from scratch. Just leave GNU out of this situation.

well i don’t care about the source but i care about other ppl distributing the same thing trying to make money off it
and distributing it free if they want while i’m trying to charge money

if companies won’t pay your work, it’s even more unlikely individuals would pay for your program if it was proprietary

and even less if joe smoe is giving it away free while i’m charging money like a smuck

what’s the program?

its a poker evaluator

you could accept donations. I can see it now: “I request a small donation of 15% off all winnings obtained using this program.”

making a living of standard software is *extremely* hard — even if it’s proprietary
I’d say, just get this idea out of your head
learn programming properly, and get employed by some company, or work as a freelancer contracting companies
that’s how programmers earn money
I don’t think there is even one individual on this planet that lives from distributing his own software

yea well its a supplemental thing
i have a job 10/hour
which sucks
i’m sure there are antrik
you heard of diablo

you mean a game?
the game

yes, he wrote a bot in the game
sells it 25 per key highly succesfful
hes probably made well of millions of dollars but it all goes to cancer foundation i’m sure he takes his cut though

I very much doubt the “millions” figure

i don’t
not for one second but thats not the point
i forgot why i’m here now
it takes 15k a month to run his site

I have some advice for you.
stfu

well, maybe there are a few individuals who happend to write something trivial which is just what people wanted… but that’s so excessively uncommon, that you better just don’t think about it

ok well thanks for your help antrik
good night

what kind of site takes 15k a month to run?…

d2jsp.org
i was one of the moderators
huge site
anyway good night

I will write a professional calculator and make million$ dollar$ from its keys )

don’t forget me when you’re rich and famous!

I don’t see any reason for chuckling. also, please refrain from insulting people in here

And I don’t see a reason for doubt about the trivial power ) !

hi gnudists

How original.

in the “Free Software” should i capitalize both words, first or none?

both

just like i thought, thanks.
anyway, it’s quite confusing that on gnu.org there are few forms.