Hi Im trying to put one of my packages javaImedia into a jar file When I did it I ended up with a jar file containing
heh
hahahaha
the office right?
office space
or something like that
office space
g[r]eek, yep Office Space
Lumbergh, the boss
damn funny flick
office space++
i like how it’s about programming too
orange swingline stapler
red!
crap
I knew it was something like that
“I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn’t bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it’s not okay because
if they take my stapler then I’ll set the building on fire… “
and in the end he sets it on fire
he says the squirrels were married?
he’s not exactly all there
i thought it was merry
yeah merry
haha
that makes much mroe sense
“License and registration… chicken fucker.”
mind you, i just had a moment (like the main actor in scrubs when he goes off into daydreamland) where i was picturing a squirrel congregation under an oak tree with two squirrels reading their vows to each other and priest squirrel and the works
LMFAO
mmm food… bbl
I definitely heard it as “married”
i bet their vows were as solid as oak
wakka
flippo, http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Office-Space.html
krustofski, I’ll be darned
misquoting office space is a high crime…
punishment is watching grandma’s boy
another programming movie
Do you think it reasonable that “@parameter” be an alias to “@param” in JavaDoc?
haha that was damn funny too
i also liked it
“how can they see me!!??”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes
fuck i died laughing
krustofski, It makes much more sense as “married”
. . .
damn..
perhaps if you’re handicapped…
lol
krustofski, So who is more trustworth, IMDB or the place with massive copyright violations?
it’s definately merry. i dated the script-writer’s daughter (not really) and she told me so
[y]
When I heard it in the movie I heard it as married. Wasn’t any doubt in my mind.
It’s much more pathetic that way.
dude that’s the same argument an ostrich would use to say “the enemy wasn’t there”
“merry”? Why would he use that word, and not “happy”?
if you catch my drift
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/o/office-space-script-transcript.html
and this is how religious wars are started
just a transcription, but still.
damn jews
You probably think it is okay to have Han shoot second
hahaahha
actually in the latest they kinda shoot at the same time
i don’t get that reference
probably about Han Solo
Is it guaranteed that “Foo” == “Foo”?
yse
uh i thought it’s not
duh
of course not
i mean .equals(“Foo”) etc
brainfart
“Foo”.equals(“Foo”); right?
yes
yeah
Better add a unit test, just to be sure.
(Kidding.)
i thought you were jewish
i don’[t think i've ever said that
but i am
ah ok, pat on the back then
(you were defending kosher earlier)
(i kinda assumed)
not necessarily defending it, just saying by definition it's humane
kosher hotdogs kick ass
totally
one of my best mates is a jew. we tease each other all day telling anti-greek / anti-jew jokes. its great
wtf, you're greek?
yeah ive been kind of secretive about it
i don't eat kosher at all
http://ask.metafilter.com/47906/Anyone-know-Mike-Judge-or-Stephen-Root
neither do i, i'm just saying that kosher dogs taste awesome
dogs?
haha
maybe you don't know this cause you're greek
but people say dogs instead of hot dogs a lot
not in my country
learn something new everyday
well i don't think your country has anything but goats
i could be wrong
my country = south africa btw
oh, i don't think your country has any food then
haha
flippo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tvSoVPKLGQ
flippo, its definitely merry
yeah cause you fuckers import our best
that was like 200 years ago
i saw some fruits in europe, imported from africa... apples the size of, well, fucking big apples. down here we get our own, second rate harvest
krustofski, married!
merry!
i wasn't referring to our labourers 
oh
sounds like "married to me". plus it's confirmed supposedly in that thread that was just posted, it's mentioned on the dvd commentary
er, rearrange the quotation marks as appropriate.
nmx, thank you, honest broker
fucking snapple bottle cap
anyway
i'm gonna go now
ttyl
cheers
speaking of kosher dogs... why can't I seem to find those hebrew national bagel dogs anywhere anymore...
those are the ones i'm talkin' about
I also don't see how kosher is "humane"
heh this place down the road from home, called New York Bagles, owned by a jew, sells the best web hosting bagle dogs ever
*bagels
i'm content with einstein bagels
##bagels perhaps?
~cheeser++
cheeser has a karma level of 377, g[r]eek
oh, hebrew national stopped selling them…. buggers
take that evil one!
you know what they say…
if you’re going to dine with the devil…
why would i need a long spoon to dine with the devil?
so you don’t get burned dumb ass.
wouldnt a long table be in order then?
not a long spoon
you’re about a sharp as a sack of wet mice.
mice have teeth
they can be sharp
You guys are funny. 
no u
heh
i agree on that mouse part, mice hurt.
^ entertainment … wow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGNs7QMeV7E
(Married!)
man… you just don’t know when to quit
g[r]eek, what’s the fun in that?
where do I need to put a .properties file inside a jar so that a classpath-based loading mechanism can find it? Should it be visible anywhere inside the jar directory tree?
in the root
I always put them in the same directory as the class loading it. cheeser apparently does otherwise.
depends on how you want to load them.
but for things like log4j, they just go in the root of the jar.
Ah, mine are always custom resource files
that band sucks anyway
Seriously overrated.
they try to sound like Hoobastank but can’t quite pull it off
Irritating lead vocal
yeah, it’s confusing b/c log4j is finding its .properties (in the root) but my custom one right next to it is not being found
props.load(getClass().getResourceAsStream(“/mine.properties”);
good idea, i will try it with the slash
it’s not just a good idea. it’s correct.
8^)=
~DANCE
/-
no
HACK THE PLANET!!!! LOLROFLHAHAHAHAOMGITSFULLOFSTARS!!!!!!!!
~smack mohadib
thanks , i feel better
~tell mohadib about thank you
mohadib, You’re welcome.
~abuse javabot
I guess the factoid ‘javabot desktoptd’ might be appropriate:
er
DesktopTD stats is http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/GroupScoreboard.asp?group=##java believe dat
DesktopTD stats is a href=”http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/GroupScoreboard.asp?group=##java”http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/GroupScoreboard.asp?group=##java/a believe dat
what a horrible, travesty of a movie this was.
Transformers?
I totally agree
~smack mohadib
cheeser, I hope you’re not watching it for a second time
Colbert just went off and this is still going
~smiley
Fanook, I have no idea what smiley is.
awww
~sing
In a gagga da vida honey!
gagga?
cheeser, this is the first time you saw it then? It’s special. A real addition to the genre of programming movies.
oh, no.
i’ve seen it several times.
8^)=
cheeser, that’s hard to understand.
haha. Marc Anthony is in this!
cheeser, You’re on drugs!
lol
~ridicule cheeser
LOL
Well, they must be pretty good drugs at least.
it also has angelina pre-boob-job
and with really bad hacker makeup
“you’re pretty good. you’re ‘elite.’”
Keep a bucket nearby.
What movie is cheeser watching?
I’m glad we have such work to capture the essense of our era for future generations.
freeone3000, “Hackers”
oh god
eeee. that movie gives my hives.
Wow.
Well, tell me when they steal the millions from the gibson.
they just hacked the planet.
it’s all over now.
I thought Tron was more true to life.
tron rocked
my son (8.5 yrs old) loves Tron.
Well, it had the Dude as star.
he also really likes Titan AE.
Tron is a religious fundamentalist overthrowing a formed government in order to establish a theocracy to his god, the Users.
freeone3000, you scare me
i _love_ hackers
~smack Gracenotes
~smack g[r]eek
i often just play it in the background in a small window on 2nd monitor while coding
mis-tabbed
YOU HAVE MISSED
~tell Gracenotes about caps.
Gracenotes, http://eugeneciurana.com/galereya/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Humor&id=hawkingcapslock – check this out.
the director of that movie had an excellent imagination
don’t mock my emotional distress
Hackers seems to have a cult, like “Roller Boogie”
best hacking visualization ever
Roller Boogie 0wnZ.
LindaBlair++
pr3d4t0r, You just have the hots for Linda
Who wouldn’t?
Zaftig
Bless you.
need to appreciate Hackers fwiw
i watched that movie as a 15 year old programmer for the first time.
Roller Boogie btw, as far as cult classics go
that movie is ass
Tron also rocked
g[r]eek, you were the target audience!
hehe yeah
Tron is epic win
Uplink is a better visualization.
Heh.
haha Tron
i remember the stand up arcade game
And I have a dislike for tron, if only because that dang minigame is the only reason I cannot fully beat kingdom hearts 2.
g[r]eek: how old are you now?
23
ah.
noone dislikes tron
no one!
tron was one of the first movies to use cgi iirc
Tron was made in the days of Asteroids.
i think it was after asteroids
I think pacman was still in the future
it had more than one color
haha
anti-trust was also pretty cool.
anti-trust wasn’t bad enough to be cool
g[r]eek: i can tell i should never take movie recommendations from you
i liked their depiction of xp style coding
ok
don’t watch 300 then. i loved it
oh, damn.
that was great
8^)=
Hundreds of scantily-clad men in the heat of battle. Yep.
although every greek now thinks he’s a spartan…
You like gladiator movies, kid?
Ever been in a Turkish prison?
the acting was not super in some parts
but who went for the acting…
Buffed men in thongs is what mohadib wants
lol
i went for the action. girlfriend went for the six-packs. win win
man jibblies?
thats messed up joed
JODE?
joed!!!
oh joed
chode
!
(is it a game?)
how’s it going, man?
Doing good.
g[r]eek: would you like to play a game?
this is getting entertaining.
bring it
Working on some stuff still.
##swing thinks you’re drunk
?
the only way to win is not to play
g[r]eek: oh, g[r]eek. you’re so young.
Fanook++
fanook has a karma level of 38, cheeser
the only winning move Fanook
pfft
now *there* is a good movie about hacking
meh, haven’t seen that movie in years
Ferris Bueller?
wtf, jumanji comes to mind
close!
friends don’t let friends irc drunk
lol
ferris beuler rocked
oh, i’m sober. just a big movie night.
Election?
sure man
just got back from the bourne ultimatum.
nice
cheeser, not drunk? what fun is that?
colder
i heard it was good cheeser
is so?
*awesome*
nice!
cool. identity and supremacy left big shoes to fill
The Freshman? The Producers?
if i hand four hands i’d still be all thumbs up.
lol
what does that mean?
thats good right
very
Fine hacking movies are in short supply.
heh, you guys remember that movie “it”
aye
g[r]eek: i’ve read the book at least 3 times.
that crazy clown gave me nightmares as a youth
are there any?
g[r]eek, with James Arness?
yes. it was a book first.
you kid.
haha
spoooky as a kid
mohadib, the Fog is excellent
aye!!
i really liked it
cheeser you’re starting to sound like an old man
We need a movie about zombie hackers
lol
been done
Is that not #php the movie?
you read any Ayn Rand novels/
one of my favourite authors
so there, i do have some _old_ in me
i haven’t but i have the fountainhead on my shelf to read
heh
howard roark reminds me of you.
you’ll know what i mean
now i’m scared.
8^)=
hmmz
g[r]eek: wasnt he the ’special’ charcter?
darn it, i break it again
no?
Aftermath_, when?!
oh. heh
he was the one with the helmet?
OH
that missile launch movie
fuck that’s old school
g[r]eek, don’t disrespect tradition
nah it’s been bugging me where that line cheeser quoted came from
no disrespect. i remember loving it
Matthew was a young man then
jeez that probably came out before i was born
in 86?!
Heh
i was born in 84
wargames!
i was close
g[r]eek: which line? i’ve quoted 4 or 5 different sources
i think
8^)=
Jesus Josef and Mary…
oh, that one.
sheesh
kids…
its been bugging me for last few minites
That’s one movie that everyone is supposed to know.
*minutes
It’s like quoting from the Wizard of Oz
what about old school game
“you want some rye? ‘course you do.” – 10 points to whoever gets that
ok. time to hit the sack and read.
have fun storming the castle.
princess bride!
gnight cheee
winnar is me!
Brains! Brains!
is there a java text-to-speech library?
(Return to Zork.)
Jslur
~flippo++
flippo has a karma level of 71, g[r]eek
google++
mohadib, shh!
hah
that game is old school
Zork rocked.
yeah
as did all of them
you ever play Phantasmagoria?
and The Horde
damn loved those games
when RealMagic graphics was first released
g[r]eek no, I had fun with LL though
i had most fun with monkey island series
lucas arts games really captured my imagination as a youngster
Born in 84 you are not exactly that old either
old soul if you will
i get that old man’s attitude from reading far too much and spending lots of time listening to old folk tell their tale
Heh, Nothing wrong with reading.
some of my best friends are books
Karma-Sutra for righthanded?
LMFAO
~bomb joed
~joed++
joed has a karma level of 64, r0bby
OHH! power of 2!
~bomb r0bby
oh baby.
one of ##java’s finer moments.
hi all. I’m running a java application on a jvm. whats happenig when I launch a second java hosting application ? does it spawn a second JVM ? Is there any way to controll it (select if I want to run at the same jvm or not) ?
By default, yes, it does spawn a second jvm to keep classes isolated like they should be.
Two separate JVMs.
Dude, don’t say stupid thigns.
i just got Raptor off a mate’s pc. remember that?
ok, is there any way to put both applications on the same JVM ?
If you want to spawn more than one Java application from a single JVM, you’ll need something like OSGi, DXA, or write your own loader.
g[r]eek indeed.
OSGi is the easy one.
ok… I see
Writing your own loader is a piece of cake too, but you will run into some threading issues.
thank you
The loader basically needs to start one thread for each application, load the classes, and fire up the main(); method in each.
You’re welcome.
just as a devil’s advocate, what would be the downside of just doing a launcher for both apps that does something like new Thread(new Runnable(){public void run(){Clazz.main(…);}}).start();
hi all
Hello. I am using MessageDigest at the moment, and that produces a String. However, I just want the straight byte values, is the best way to get these with toCharArray() to avoid the charset mangling with getBytes ?
How execute one script in Javam in C I use system(/path/script) Java I don`t know
Runtime.exec()
hello java friends!
HEYE!
I love java
so do I !!
Fanook, thx
I don’t know why people dislike it. The rigid structure keeps it more difficult to screw yourself
Pervs
Design by contract keeps me sane
HENCE PERL LOVE
er
probably, unless you want to choose a ’standard’ charset to always use
Does anyone know of a good IDE for groovy (if they’re tried it). Groovy’s IRC channel is deserted, and the interwebs are no help.
IDEA
is that free?
Not as in beer, but as in free to be productive
I was afraid no one would ever use groovy.
Just one language too many, and the online docs suck
The Manning book is out though…
Weird thing is that Groovy doesn’t look half bad.
The book is fine. Just crap online though.
does netbeans support groovy yet?
it seems really cool, but there are no docs
Very strong Smalltalk influence in some ways.
yes, sort of
Still too much java web host baggage, but that’s understandable.
pr3d4t0r, It would have done well, if it had come out a few years earlier
Heh.
check out coyote…I’ve been trying it, but it doesn’t autocomplete
I stand by my prediction: scripting is where it’s at for the next 3-5 years in Java land.
why?
why not use a scripting language?
Some of the groovy generated byte code relies too much on reflection though. Can’t really be used conveniently from Java
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2107637,00.asp
I think i’d use groovy the other direction
That’s because of the lame architecture of the JVM and core classes.
I wanted to use groovy interchangeably, at all levels. Much more likely to succeed that way.
That’s changing.
do my heavy lifting and frameworks in java, and use groovy to tie it all together and do the presentation layer, or something else boring and repetitive
It’s not Groovy’s problem, sadly.
how do i revolutionized world?
Jimi Hendrix left it.
how do i shot web?
__david, I wanted to use groovey to remove boilerplate at all levels
[groovy]
i’d like to use it to write simple webapps
and use java for JNI
4 languages ftw
You can, there is some groovy rails stuff
__david, there are already enough ways to do top-level glue
I need to write a simple app that queries data from a database, without using jdbc; what is a good library to use (nothing compliated/hibernate); will decide in 30 secs
C bindings to legacy, shell scripting, java(JNI), and web presentation that looks pretty
that would be glorius
I remember jython dying a slow death of disinterest. It has been around for ages.
?
I think jruby might as well.
vm hosted languages
I disagree–i think some people will use them b/c they already have java installed
joed, ruby and python fans don’t want the j-version.
groovy was a snap to set up
Exactly.
jython is still on a 2.1 release
using javascript to scrit java is actua;;y cool though
imho
i wish groovy had good online docs
the excuse that jython2.1 is stable so we don’t need to update doesnt fly anymore
Now groovy exists only in a j-version. But too many will look and say “I can already do that in X”
that’s why i like it
I don’t _need_ to learn new syntax
ramza3, jython lost all its developers.
that is what I heard.
b/c it’s almost entirely backwards compatible. I like groovy b/c I can use new syntax when I need it, and leave it to the interpreter, not the ide, to infer my meaning
flippo, that is why I kind of moved from jython to jruby
From java web hosting people I’ve heard ‘groovy’ hey it is almost like a perlish thing, this is simple.
and then they stop using it.
Groovysh isn’t intuitive
that’s a problem
python -i is great–you just code as you go
joed, no one is solving new problems with groovy that they couldn’t solve before
w/ groovysh you need to type “go”
and arrow keys are broken
jruby is getting a lot of support from the community. scala too
you’ve hit the nail on the head
~flippo++
flippo has a karma level of 72, joed
what does solving new problems have to do with 90% of programmers?
i want to solve the solved problems faster
(and, may i add, my computer is tharshing its harddisk to utter unusabliility
I can’t even see what i’m typing)
mmm swap space
__david, A big enough improvement in efficiency is enough to solve new problems
I feel ilke a problem that would be nice to solve would be some combination of green threads and native threads on java
if I could feel fine spawning 1000 parallel threads to do stupid shit
oh dear, that makes no sense at all
I am trying to write a quick database app, but dont want jdbc; hmm, should I use ibatis
HAHAHA
and still have a repsonisive program
if you have the queries, yeah it is easy.
Ciao, i miei amici.
Night.
for example, have thrades each blocking on various inputs from all over the place (websites, etc), but have it only use one native thread. Taht would be cool, and lead to smoe elemgant programs if the syntax was nice
good night
and I am just messing around, I haven’t touched jdbc in years
i know i ask this sometimes. and ussualy get the answer JAD(clipse) but what is the best decompiler for java 1.6 that understand try/finally
thats opensrc written in java is my contraint
~pastebin
if people here have been able to operate with some of the sourceforge decompliers liek jdec or another which ones?
have doubts whether people here to use proper english?
My doubt is clear.
were is here? What is proper?
oh, srry, ment propre
it would be no wonder if all internet is converted into “lolcat” type of talk eventually
Woflborg; if satan has his way
Sad but true…. I’ll help kicking it away as long as I possibly can though.
im in ur for loop, upping ur vars!
you can haz engrish?
coughkickhimcough
/kick a lot of retards.
I never said that though, i had a frog in my throat
course you did
you have heard of Lolcode? most esoteric languages don’t cause CS majors to vomit (not sure if this one does either, but probably)
…
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=46581
oh yeah, i read about it last nite
the specifications are coming along pretty smoothly, actually
and the implementations, too
how do I set a window always on top?
despite a couple of logical flaws (yes, I should use one line)
i already gave you that answer
Hey guys is there a swing gui editor for Eclipse?
vbabiy-Laptop: yes, the Visual Editor plugin
is it any good
ah, comedy begins
last time i used it (about 2 years ago) it wasn’t entirely crappy
ok thanks
I thought it was decent enough.
generated gui code always tends to read like crap though
Although I like to write guis by hand myself
yes, I’ve seen that graphic, as a too-indulgent frequent reader of http://icanhascheezburger.com
s/reader/viewer
you did? i must have missed it
has the world gone mad? http://www.tetraboy.com/lolcode/ or do people have WAYYY too much free time on their hands…
yes, and yes
Ok, if I create a HttpURLConnection for a website, and getContentType() returns text/plan, how come the Object from getContent() isn’t a String?
or were you the one that said somthing like “look it up”? lol
because the method doesn’t know what type it is
stringz stringz stringz
I did instanceof String and it failed that check
i pointed at the docs, yes. Window, iirc. Seriously, go read the docs for it
I’d learn lolcode, but i’d never be able to obey the insanely bad english and the lack of structure
http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/awt/Window.html#setAlwaysOnTop(boolean)
then it’s not a string, is it.
don’t do that, he’ll keep coming back now
yjanks
then you wouldnt learn lolcode, since those are the only reasons to learn it for.
my question would be what is it if it isn’t a String
If you tell them exactly where to go a few times, they will figure out the system.
i don’t know. use getClass to find out
If you just say “look it up” they will get confused
swing tutorial; google.
sadly enough, no.
hang out here for awhile, you’ll notice people won’t rtfm…it got me in trouble more than once\
we tell them exactly what class (occasionally method) to look up. if they can’t be bothered to read the page, we don’t want to be bothered either.
(ragging on them)
I learned to accept the things i cannot change, and instead laugh when they fail
I answer questions at Allexperts.com; I’m sure I get worse than here
you act like this is a job or somthing lol
hear hear!
~tell AustLaw about aolbonics
AustLaw, aolbonics is talking like a retard using speech as if you were on AIM or using single letters for you, are, you are, you’re, see, etc. Talking like this is frowned upon in ##java and may result in you being silenced. You have a full keyboard so use it. We don’t care if you talk like an
idiot with your friends but we don’t want to sit through stuff like this: http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=499980&start=0&tstart=0
it is. You need to learn to google if you want to learn _ANYTHING_
quite possibly, but have you considered you might be contributing to it? I answered questions at sparknotes for about a year, then quit when the solution manual idiots started popping up everywhere
Also, you need to know how to browse resources, read books, etc (sun has EXTENSIVE documentation _AND_ tutorials.
nah, few books are bit of time can replace google, but then you would need to have things like “patience” and ” ability to read documentation”
I can use google fine, but I figure common methods should be very simple for someone to answer
javadocs.
…
and it would be just as simple for you to read the documentation
not really
~barbie javadocs
barbiejavadocs is hard!/barbie
well, then you just suck
tell AustLaw about fail
AustLaw, http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4934/failtx2.jpg
that makes me laugh and cry
Programming channels on fn have a reputation to live up to
you do need to know how to read api documentations, which are meant to tell you how a method works, (or at least what it does, and how to use it.); barring that, you find tutorials.
spoonfeed you?
1. copy/paste from Homework 2. Java install/uninstall questions 3. a vague question that uses some library I don’t know 4. A question I can answer 5. “What do I do for my school project”
~tell AustLaw about RIF.
AustLaw, Reading Is Fundamental
when I ask for a simple method that im having a hard time finding in the documenation is hardly spoon feeding
bwhen I ask for a simple method that im having a hard time finding in the documenation is hardly spoon feeding/b
“Would you please explain to me: what does java do for the internet?”
knowing what letters represent the method to do it is hardly somthing I need to ‘learn
Our channel, our rules.
Simple question, why is your reading issue our problem?
We like keeping a higher level of discourse here.
~javadoc Window.setAlwaysOnTop(*)
r0bby, please see java.awt.Window.setAlwaysOnTop(boolean): http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/awt/Window.html#setAlwaysOnTop(boolean)
So rather than arguing with the regulars, rephrase your question or apply their advice.
there you go.
~tell AustLaw about documentation proxy.
http://eugeneciurana.com/galereya/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Humor&id=knuttz_ueba_22
thats the exact same link I gave about 3 minutes ago
i believe this is what he wants
Oh, sorry.
i know, that’s how i knew what
but it got lost in this…mess
I guess *YOU* are AustLaw’s documentation proxy!
heh ya I figured it out the first time you said it
AustLaw
actually
~javadoc JFrame.setAlwaysOnTop(*)
I don’t know of any documentation for JFrame.setAlwaysOnTop(*)
anyhow, you stand a snowballs chance in hell to get anything proper done if you cannot fathom why javadoc should be your first choice for information on how the api works.
crap
i should have read that more..
don’t ask what java does for the internet. ask what the internet can do for java
(lame rendition of JFK’s famous quote)
hm, that’s actually painful to read. figuratively.
i thought they only make chickenwings..
that’s KFC
Give it BGP? IGP? SMTP?
Applets never really did interact with html too well
it has a k.. and a f.. same thing!
it seems like Java is more useful server-side than client-side.
?
to me, anyway 
I really don’t know… I’ve never used java server side
eh, client-side isn’t that specific. I was referring to applets
heh
well ill give you that java is more usefull server side than in applets
well, we don’t discuss those anyhow.
since, applets are not usefull.
dev/null is more useful than applets
tell that to Jadex, Yahoo, Pogo, ect…
gah.
You may not like them, but they are popular
breakfast time. bbl
so is maralyn manson
You can’t design a product from your own feelings. You have to go with what your audience wants. If applets work better, then you should use them
If most of your audience has the Microsoft JVM, then you need to make sure your code works on that VM
clients want solutions. they don’t care what you use. applets are lame. there are better ways to accomplish the same thing
is it possible to create an object that can throw on exception when defining a variable outside of a method?
no client in his right mind will request that you use applets specifically
variabled defined outside of a method are called class members
*variables
not all clients are there from when you start. Some clients you have to grab after you make your product
some clients are insane
true
~tell AustLaw about rbi
AustLaw, rbi is http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigindex.html
indeed, they got those things online, called Books…. you want class members.
bookmark that.
and the answer’s no
and you never want your class members to be public unless they are constants.
yes, I am trying to set a static member variable, is there now to catch the exception if I try to create it when it is defined?
k
0_o
use a static initializer block
still, sometimes there is a need for interactivity (as in GUI and client-server) inside a web page, what’s the recommended replacement for applets? flash?
How many users would Jadex lose if they moved runescape to Java 6?
ajax
aditsu, jnlp
g[r]eek: dhtml is quite limited
jnlp doesn’t work inside a web page, does it?
javabot tell AustLaw about static initializer
AustLaw, static initializer is run when a class is loaded, see http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/second_edition/html/classes.doc.html#39245 and http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_04/online/tricks_pford_04_10_03/
it starts there
i just read “interactivity”, “gui”, “client-server” – ajax meets all 3
Ah yes, static initializers… so easy to abuse
g[r]eek: well, yeah, it works in many situations, but some things either can’t be done, or would end up looking like the windows 95 source code if implemented with ajax
you must be talking about a special kind of interactivity. in which case use flash
But really, you should try to keep your complex static variables lazly initialized
I’d look at laszlo if that is the complexity of it.
www.goproblems.com
br
b
Does anyone know of a way to get the annotations from a class without having any code execute?
Or just a certian annotation
~tell subanark about javadoc Class
subanark, please see java.lang.Class: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/Class.html
Yea, I know I can ask for the annotations that way. But doing so will cause all annotations on that class to load
looking at something without looking at something?
“can i tell wether there is an “a” in a text file without reading that text file?”
rading is fine… I just don’t want any code to execute
annotations are code?
I think annotations are not supposed to execute code
(but they can probably be made to do that)
annotations can contains enums
static blocks will executed when loading a class, hm.
Enums are just like classes
classes can have static blocks
you’ll have to write your own .class file parser, etc. perhaps.
that is…do .class files contain bytecodes related to annotations?
well thats what things like bcel are for
sure they do
well not bytecode
But the annotation is described in a compact way in the .class file
I don’t see a tutorial on the site for actually setting up a java programming enviornment, like what java software to download, etc etc, is there one?
goto http://java.sun.com
~tell sprink about getting started
sprink, getstarted is http://java.sun.com/tutorial/getStarted
~tell sprink about first cup
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/cupojava/
also see getting started section at http://javafaq.mine.nu/
okay, ty
Thank you. – English, we endorse it.
okay no problem, sorry. I was in a hurry to get started
Have fun!
good luck!
w/win2
thanks. What is w/win2?
boolean winwin = r0bby.getConsole()
yes, computers are amazing!
welcome to the club of owning a pc!
it’s a cell phone, but yes, I guess it is a computer
it’s a command to switch windows, but i mistyped it
(I’m using irssi)
oh. you know you can use alt+1-9 for switching windows?
not when you have 100+ windows.
hmm, I can’t imagine anyone needing that many irc channels. heh
for that problem, i’ve made aliases.
understood
let’s put this way: i lurk in a crapload of channels
happy wednesday folks
whats so happy about it?
half way through the week?
ouch, the minimum requirements for neatbeads IDE is pretty harsh
netbeans*
yeah, you can’t really run it on your phon
e
heh, it barely runs on my laptop
get a better laptop
trade your phone… and soul.. for it
if I trade my phone for one, I’ll have nothing to keep me interested in java
how’
you _MAY_ get a job
I have a job
mprentice!
Shitz0r… I’m running out of time
disabling a time bomb?
back to school on com. cent.
Nah. Ordering some new business cards and T-shirts for a conference I’m speaking at in September.
Heh.
The fans just kicked in.
iMovie + Keynote ‘08 + Photoshop + all the usual shit, including Java 5, Mule, and a shitload of other stuff.
Core2Duo++
hmm is there a way to save a “view” in eclipse? like now ive worked with a project which isnt done but i have some other stuff to do and i want to save the open sourcefiles etc
not the actual files, i just want eclipse to remember what was open
minimize++
can you have more than 1 instance of it running at a time?
yes, but you can’t use the same workspace
When I do Process p = Runtime.getRuntime().exec(…) when I try to wrap a argument with a double quotes, or single quotes, why does it not work?
~doesn’t work
krustofski, doesn’t work is useless. Tell us what it is, what you want it to do, and what it is doing. Consider putting some code and any errors on a pastebin. (use ~pastebin for suggestions)
Process p = Runtime.getRuntime().exec(“/usr/local/bin/php -q /opt/red5/mediainfo.php ” + typee + ” \”" + filename + “\”");
And of cource the other lines which are really not needed…
When I don’t wrap my filename is quotes it works fine
But when I do I get nothing
Ah… each argument has to be broken up into an String array…
~karma Luke_S
luke_s has no karma, r0bby
nevermind
He, he, he… I just thought of a great interview question…
what is it?
People, I need help setting up an axis web-service over SSL, please
I have this custom-generated certificate on the server side, and my client java application is throwing an exception while connecting to it. Please somebody help me to make the client understand the hand-made certifiate
what have i got in my pocketses?
string or nothing!
Excelsior!
probably
How would you merge String[] one = {“one”, “two”, “three”} and String[] two = {“four”, “five”, “six”} so you end up with String[] one = {“one”, “two”, “three”, “four”, “five”, “six”} ??
I’m thinking that once I declare one it’s of a fixed size like many other languages and I can’t simply do something like one[] = “four”, … etc…
what, you want to merge after creation of the two seperate arrays?
woah, i just noticed that varargs can be given manual enumerations (1,2,3), arrays (new int[] {1,2,3}) and collections (Arrays.asList(new int[] {1,2,3}))
ah, no it can’t
with JavaScript, that’d be one = one.concat(two);
i don’t really see the point in doing what you’re suggesting on runtime
however you could try making a new array
I don’t know how many elements I need
this might help, maybe, sort of: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/System.html#arraycopy(java.lang.Object,%20int,%20java.lang.Object,%20int,%20int)
I just read I’m better off using an ArrayList (List) and then using toArray()
Luke_S, one.length + two.lenght
well, if you’re not sure on teh length, then yeah, you’re far better off using a collection
definitely… collection is better for that sort of flexibility
~tell Luke_S about Arrays.asList(*)
Luke_S, I have no idea what Arrays.asList(*) is.
Problem is I don’t have two arrays, I need to add any number of elements. ArrayList will work. It’s late, can’t believe I didn’t think of it.
ok..
wait, i’m a bit confused Luke_S =X
first you were asking about merging two arrays; now you’re saying you don’t have two arrays ;p
I was trying to give a basic example
.
Which didn’t work
Ok…. the addAll command of ArrayList wants a Collection… how do I get my Array into that format ?
hmm
~javadoc Arrays
r0bby, please see java.util.Arrays: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Arrays.html
lemme get the docs up ;p
http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Arrays.html#asList(T…)
is Collection another word for Array?
no.
~collection api
I guess the factoid ‘be api barbie’ might be appropriate:
Javadoc is *hard*!
~collection
r0bby, collection is http://www.darksleep.com/notablog/format.cgi?article=Java_Collections_Tutorial.foo
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/collections/index.html
you can pass that an array of elements and returns a List, which is a collection.
oh so it will take a List as a Collection?
do you know about interfaces etc?
I a vague understanding
List is an interface which extends the Collections interface
ok
*have a
every class extends Object, right?
Yeah
I know what extends means
therefore, any Type can be added to an array of Objects
“interface” I’m not quite sure
well, implements /using interfaces is the same thing
so if something implements an interface, then it is said to be an implementation of said interface
it means different thing in interfaces, since interfaces have no implementation, you extend interfaces, rather than implement.
tell Luke_S about interfaces
Luke_S, interfaces is http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/concepts/interface.html
which means you can cast the implementation as the interface
;p excuse the possibly poor wording
myList = new ArrayListString(); // this is valid, because ArrayList is an implementation of List.
Oh
I see
an interface is a contract, which in order to implement it, you MUST write implementions of its methods.
hmm
So this should work fine:
ffmpeg_command.addAll(Arrays.asList(“/usr/local/bin/ffmpeg”, “-i”, inFile, “-f flv”, “-ar 22050″, “-ab 32″, “-qscale 3.5″));
try it.
Knowing that ffmpeg is declared as String[]
ugh
errr
ffmpeg_command
i’m just trying to remember if you need to cast an object as the interface/superclass before adding it to a collection of said superclass/interface
I mean ArrayList
I’m tired..
well I could see if it compiles..
you will need to import java.util.Arrays
hi
Bevin:
yeah figured that out once I got the error and realized the difference between “Array” and “Arrays”
*yawn*
home finally?
nah, I’ve been home for a while.
http://www.ride-engineering.com/products.php?d=1&p=e&pn=KA-LPH00-BA
Me wants
I wonder if that works on the 2007 model.
i am trying to set a mapped property using BeanUtils, but the key contains parenthesis, so BeanUtils.setProperty(bean, “property(key_with_()_parens)”, value) fails miserably. any ideas?
wowsa flash h264 support looks amazing
i can’t find anything on the commons-beanutils site that explains how to escape, or whether it’s possible…
joedj?
man.
more specifically, i’m using BeanUtils.populate(myBean, pageContext.getRequest().getParameterMap())
Somehow they need to bring Flash and Java together, and make flash not suck.
Like, make flash run as an applet, and make applets not suck balls.
…wait…that’s a bad idea.
~smack svm_invictvs
Hi! I’m trying to put one of my packages (javaI.media) into a jar file. When I did it I ended up with a jar file containing the dirs javaI/media/ (containg *.class). Then I try to start a class that uses this package with “java -classpath /home/sebdah Test” but I end up with a
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError. What might be wrong?
you need to use the fully qualified name of the class with the main method
so is the starting class in the javaI.media package?
if it is, try java -cp /home/sebdah javaI.media.Test
oh
and -cp /home/sebdah/jarfile.jar for the classpath actually =X
Test is not part of the class, it just uses the class
what’s the name of the class file with the main method?
In the package none has a main method. The Test class has
so the Test class isn’t inside a package?
=[\
=\*
no it's outside
/home/sebdah has Test.class and javaI.media.jar
import javaI.media.*;
ahhh, lol, ok
haha
Am I totally lost?
um, i'm kinda new to java 2d and i need some help
not totally just mostly
java -cp /home/sebdah/javaI.media.jar; Test
Lothy`: :O
hehe ok
i normally autojoin
jar != package
i think he's talking about a jar file that he wants to use vinse =\
strange name for a jar archive though ;p
I should have the package inside the jar file, according to my teacher. And the file should be named as above
and I should also have the Test class outside the jar file
Lothy`: do you have any experience with java 2d?
nope
Arrays.toArray(...) is incompatible with String[], which is what exec wants…
i wish lawl were still here
well the jar’s filename is javaI.media.jar isn’t it sebdah?
he would have an awnser
ah i see: -cp foo/bar doesnt work if the jar fiel is in foo/bar, you have to do -cp foo/bar/jarfilename.jar
lawl is a moron most of the time
Lothy`: but his pokeclient does what i want to do
~javadoc Arrays
Lothy`, please see java.util.Arrays: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Arrays.html
hmm
Lothy`: yes it is
http://www.legecon.com/poke/index.php?page=play
he dosent have a JTextField next to the username and password fields
what i provided should work then
does anyone know how he did that?
Exception in thread “main” java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Test
there’s no toArray method in the Arrays class ;p
and Arrays subclasses Object, so there’s no superclass with that method either
so i’m not sure what you’re saying. =\
I’ve got the files that my teacher has written, but I can’t start them either. Probably I’m doing something wrong when starting them. Wanna download her files and give it a try?
Lothy`: There is a “toArray” method in the Arrays class, I think you’re thinking of the “Array” class not the “Arrays” class. The problem is “toArray” is providing me with an Object[] and I need a String[]
http://www.tjuvlyssnat.se/tmp/MediaTest.class and http://www.tjuvlyssnat.se/tmp/javaI.media.jar
~javadoc Arrays
Lothy`, please see java.util.Arrays: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/Arrays.html
I’ve looked at that documentation, and I still don’t see a solution to the problem
The only function that’s there that I can see is toString, or the like, that converts it into a String, making it comma delimited. It needs to be String[].
And the fill and copy commands don’t seem to return String[] at all
What are you trying to do?
~tell Luke_S about ArrayList.toArray(*)
Luke_S, I have no idea what ArrayList.toArray(*) is.
~tell Luke_S about java.util.ArrayList.toArray(*)
Luke_S, I have no idea what java.util.ArrayList.toArray(*) is.
…
anyways, see ArrayList.toArray
wait
~tell r0bby about javadoc List.toArray(*)
r0bby, please see java.util.List.toArray(): http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/List.html#toArray()
r0bby, please see java.util.List.toArray(java.lang.Object[]): http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/List.html#toArray(java.lang.Object[])
hmm, did you mean that toArray was in ArrayList Luke_S ;p because it’s certainly not in java.util.Arrays
that used to work..
first of all, you forgot “javadoc”
eeeek i didn’t even see that
thanks
wow
The solution is System.arraycopy
…didn’t we tell you that like an HOUR ago.
finnally found a topic on Google after using the right key words
with a regular array, yes
heh, what was your problem anyway?
You know what… I’m making a function…
we’re not sure, he was giving us half the information, never the _WHOLE_ problem
When I used .toArray it was giving me Object[] and I need String[]
cast it.
casts don’t work well on arrays
hmm
yeah, it’s very hard to offer help when what you’re telling us often contradicts the next thing you say =\
like the original example, saying you had two arrays, and then saying you didn’t have two arrays -
Well it’s partly true
There are instances where I need to add more than 1 element at one time to a single array
list.addAll?
hmmz.. hard to follow you tbh
Would be crazy to do mylist.add(“…”) mylist.add(“…”) mylist.add(“…”) when {“…”, “…”, “…”} is easier
I did that, but like I said when I used toArray it gave me an Object[]
The exec command requires String[]
I’m just going to use a normal array and create an append function
(String[])toArray(new String[]{});
?
oh well..
Might be cleaner anyway…
That is too much. toArray(new String[]{}) should already be fine
I am new to ActiveMQ and trying tu run example. AMQ server run with no errors. but when i am trying to launch sample-app under tomcat i get: java.net.BindException: Failed to bind to server socket tcp://localhost:61616 due to: java.net.BindException: Address
already in use: JVM_Bind
hm. me personally likes the semantics of new String[0] better. no difference, though
oh, i should not explicitly start activeMQ.. that’s the reason
Is there a lolcode to java compiler?
LCEE
LOLCODE Enterprise Edition
That’d be cool, to code an enterprise application entirely in lolcode and run it on a VM.
for certain definitions of “cool”
Or “funny”
hey
Might not be the boss’ definition of “cool”
i’m trying to write a Makefile. when i compile, gcj is giving “multiple definition of..” and then all sorts of symbols. any ideas?
am i right if i say Apache Ode is the open source BPEL engine more used/extended today?
nvm i found it
~tell wonderwal about gcj
wonderwal, gcj is not Java; don’t be surprised if we refuse to help you. You can find information about gcj at http://gcc.gnu.org/java/ or see #gcj on irc.oftc.net
if you want a build system: see ant or maven
ok
if i put sashlik.war in TOMCAT_HOME/webapps and run tomcat, it will be available at http://localhost:8080/sashlik? (all settings are default). Can’t reach app in browser..
http://lolcode.com/implementations/java-sdk
bleh.
Kitties are for chinese food, not for jokes
There’s a cat taht’s always hanging around my apartment.
And I think somebody abandoned it, because it has no collar or anything.
And I never see anybody put it out or take it in…
I wonder if I shoudl put some food out for it.
call animal control
why?
so it can go live in a cage and get food
or I could adopt it…
i think its better off away from you
adopt it
why?
svm_invictvs, because.
Be nice to the kitty. Cats are important.
meow
(It will count in your favour when they later conquer the world)
animal control will either kill it right away, or keep it for a while and kill it if nobody wants it
heh
the cat has clearly decided to adopt you
really depends on where
heh
heh, I wonder.
My neighbor moved out, and I’m almost wondering if he just left the cat be.
well go feed it.
teach it to code
and outsource some work
sell it to local chinese restaurant.
http://www.no-clutter.com/gallery/albums/cats5/921-1163919784-1162679538434_b.jpg
svm_invictvs, http://www.sheerboredom.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=25
that is _WRONG_
DRMacIver, lol
…
svm_invictvs, !!!
hi all!
greetings earthling.
I’ve a question about java-persistence api
~ask
The Ask To Ask protocol wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask protocol, so just ask your question.
hi all
In mine database (postgresql) for the primary key column I’ve added the default value – that is the nextval from the sequence. when I create the entity in java – would be that value read into mine entity class (or it will be setted-up with null value)
Technically he didn’t ask to ask a question.
technically, he followed the same principle, but you’re right
well… maybe there is an answer for mine question? or here will be only answers about how I questioned ?
I had a guy who’d I’d always say, “Hey, I have a question”
If I could help you, I would. but I’m not familiar with JPA. SOrry
he’d reply to me with, “You just asked a question.”
he was an idiot.
thanks
svm_invictvs, you’re right
if I need to build a binding for a C library, such as xine, how can I use, somethings like JNI?
Buenas noches, amigos.
Yes.
Nos vemos mañana.
Z z .
svm_invictvs, thanks
g’night
Check out swig.
the primary key value will be loadaed into the java entity
thanks for calling me on that, :*
svm_invictvs, have you ever use it?
no, honestly. But i’ve wanted to give it a try for some time.
I can’t remember if ihappens when you persist the entity or when you flush the session. I think JPA does it when you flush and Hibernate native does it when you persist
so I create with no values mine entity – and the value will be read?
yes.
cool
and it’s “my entity”, “my database”, etc. Just to be helpful.
uhm maybe it’s better than use only jni
There’s quite a bit of boilerplate code you’ve gotta write in both C++ and Java to make bindings between java and C/C++…
at what moment of time the KPA fulshes the session?
sorry JPA
using jni or swig?
when you tell it to!
swig helps you by basically writing setting up the boilerplate for JNI and providing you stubs. If I recall correctly.
hello. Does anybody know of a comparison between Struts and Faces?
svm_invictvs, great! thanks
some people use a servlet filter which flushes sessions and commits transactions (unless there was an exception)
but that completely depends on the design of your application
thanks
Oh, I guess it does a little more than generate stubs.
have a good night/day whatever it is by you, I shouldn’t have jumped on you like i did.
so I should always make a manual flash?
JPA doesn’t flush for you except, I think, when you commi the transaction
Well, good luck.
I’m going to read all the docs now
zap-clone: you don’t want to look at e.g. wicket as well?
zap-clone: it’s well brilliant
I had to investigate ways of interfacing two Java dn C++ at work, and I foudn SWIG…then the idea of using it was shot down so I never got to use it.
hmm, actually I never used any of them and am open for everything (I used Velocity in a project a while ago though, but thats more low level)
g’night all!
Hm. How does one reflectively instantiate an inner class?
I’ve a record with some foreign key field (many to one). So to get populated a list of records with one key field value I should populate them from the referenced entity? or by creating named query like SELECT s FROM mytalbe s WHERE foreign_key_field = :foreignTableEntity ?
Ah, it just gets an implicit parameter in the constructor.
(It’s really cute how transparently fake the inner class abstraction is. )
(It’s really cute how transparently fake the inner class abstraction is. )
is there a way for an application to request a JFrame’s components be redrawn?
we need real closures, damn it
i have a bit of a problem. i have some java classes which i’ve compiled using the JDK 6. the point is, of course, to have them able to run cross-platform. the platforms i need to run them on are basically Windows, Linux, and Mac. they also have some JNI code with them. the problem is, JRE 6
is not available for Mac, only JRE 1.5 . I don’t think my code has any real dependency on any new features of JRE 6, so I’m wonder
ing how if I can “back-compile” the code so that when run under JRE 1.5 it doesnt give an error simply because the .class files have a newer version number on them
Agreed.
NoorulIslaam, you can always use jdk 1.5 instead
the sheer refactoring effort of Ui code once we get that function should keep us occupied for six months
man_in_ltop, i don’t want to install two JDKs just because Apple f’ed up in releasing java 6 for mac
NoorulIslaam, apple don’t release java
they do, for the mac
no, sun produce java
not for the mac
NoorulIslaam, why not ONLY use jdk 1.5, since you’re not using any features of jdk 6?
You mean in 2014 when we finally migrate to Java 7?
s/2014/early 2008
see -target option of javac
“Java 7 is released” is a different date from “People start using Java 7″
sun only makes JREs and JDKs for windows, linux, and solaris
tazle ok
or you can compile with JDK 1.5 to ensure that you don’t use any 1.6-only APIs
tazle is there a list of new APIs that were introduced in java 6
Which is surprisingly easy to do. Some of the utility classes like Arrays snuck in a bunch of useful features in java 6.
the javadocs usually mention when a method was introduced, if it’s recent (1.5 and 1.6 at least, perhaps 1.4)
yeah hmm
Somewhere around there, yeah
Although I must say, the speed of adopting new JREs has picked up a bit here..
we are all the way up to 1.5..
most of the userful classes snuck in in java5 as part of operation iraqi freedom
tazle so specifying javac -source 1.5 -target 1.5 *.java should then compile it for JRE 1.5 ?
yes, but you can still accidentally use new APIs
tazle right. i guess i’ll have to go through the code to make sure i didnt use any
I recommend you compile with an older JDK and just test the code with both JRE5 and JRE6
thanks for your help
Yeah, we’re using 1.5 as well really. I don’t imagine there will be any huge obstacle to us migrating to 1.6 at some point though, there are just higher priorities at the minute.
oh and, another small question, undoubtedly, the upgrade from JRE 1.5 to 6 introduced security updates to the VM itself, along with the new APIs
(Well, the one I’m working on is a clientside app, so probably won’t upgrade to 1.6 for a while)
Yeah, I can’t say I’ve had any overwhelming need to move to 1.6 either..
so having the code running on a 1.5 VM would have some security holes too eh?
wlfshmn, … but but… top level dran n drop in swing!!!!
just use 1.6
targeting 1.5 at this point doesn’t make much sense
It would be nice. Some shiny features, the improvement to APT is pleasant, I’d like a chance to play with the tools API some more. A few of the API enhancements are handy. But it’s not a big deal.
1.6 is an enormous improvement. the speed up in the jre is really significant though there have only been minor api improvements.
If I’m made to do swing-work, the choice of JDK is the least of my (and the project owners) problems ,)
meeper unfortunately 1.6 is not available for mac
oh, you should use a real OS
meeper oh i do
but some of the customers use Mac
wlfshmn, whats the top of your problems?
but Mac OS is a “real” OS still just lacking in java :/
my utter unfamiliarity with swing and my dislike for UIs
On an amusing note, the clientside app I’m writing at the moment is licensed to run on windows only. It has two developers – one on a mac, one on linux.
hah
sounds like a really convinient setup
I hav ea ton to learn before I should be used to create anything user-facing, really.. assuming a non-techie end-user
since nobody will be able to debug the problems!
i’m sure they have a spare windows me boxing laying around somewhere
Specifically on windows XP only. I think the restriction is more so we don’t have to deal with a) Shitty old versions of windows and b) Vista than so that we don’t have to deal with non-windows.
We will, of course, test it on windows. :-p
sounds like its going to be a brief test
Unlikely. We’re pretty good at testing.
are there any major issues out with 6 on vista?
6 runs fine on vista. only problem I’ve found is a problem with microsoft mice
now how ironic is that
our app is deployed on linux and solaris, developers are on linux, windows and OS/X
but we send a deployment team to each customer, so that’s a bit different…
they sit in the server room until the product goes out of production use ?
no, we have support teams for that…
in theory, anyway
if they weren’t all a bunch of… anyway…
ahh, so you dont actually deploy the people..
no. although some of them should perhaps be deployed to Afghanistan
what would they do over there?
minefields need clearing
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