Im trying to update menuconfig for the latest kernel available for my Intel Centrino Duo cpu family6 model 14
can someone tell me how to remove packages built with crossdev? dont know how to unmerge my avr-gcc
I am not 100% sure of the way it is set up, but couldn’t you have it just send something to a process which is running as root and doing what you want it to do?
a service maybe
ah, wtf.
I’m trying to update menuconfig for the latest kernel available for my Intel Centrino Duo (cpu family6, model 14)… From what i can tell, it is -march=prescott (because it supports sse3). Can someone direct me to “Processor Family” is correct to choose in menuconfig, please?
can anyone help? i might have missed out something and i’m getting a ton of messages saying that one of the times in /etc/{conf.d, init.d} or /etc/rc.conf has a time in future.
check your system time & timezone
but it’s not specifying which file it is. /etc/init.d seems to be all executables. while /etc/rc.conf looks correct to me.
i changed /etc/conf.d/clock to set it the time to local.
hmm.
Blair, yes that is hat i am thinking, i just din know if anoyne knew of a clean way to do that offhand
Cirindius its talking about the actual files in one of those directories, use ls -lah to find the dates
uCirindius its talking about the actual files in one of those directories, use ls -lah to find the dates/u
or somethng with pam_chroot chat could execute comands on login
ah ok. and how would i go about resolving it?
haha, hack it into the kernel maybe? sorry, my knowledge of linux tools is very limited .
Cirindius use otuch on the file
use touch
Verify that yout time is correct in /etc/conf.c/clock (your time zone and whether or not your computer’s clock is based on UTC or your local time, which is different than UTC”. Also, do a “ls -l /etc/conf.d/”. You should notice that some files do not have times, just dates. Just run a “touch”
command on the config files that don’t have that do not have time values, and restart your comp
if you’re looking to maintain a gold chroot environment you can use autofs to bind the environment to the user’s environment
look at the url I pasted.. I’ve sucessfully used autofs as a NFS user dir mounter for 100+ users
ah, ok. just the touch command without the need to specify anything with the -t flag?
autofs++
bandwidth_ hmm, i will research that. Thanks
aye ok guys 
i think i got it.
I think its exactly what you’re looking to do…
“touch /etc/rc.conf” … touch and then the file name to update the timedate on. that’s it.
Yep, got it thanks.
Just run a “touch –help”
dont forget to verify your system time is correct too
np
Anyone here have a Prescott march processor?
quiet night tonight
kinda
Nothing is certain in life except negative patient care outcome and budget enhancement.
uNothing is certain in life except negative patient care outcome and budget enhancement./u
Sorry to bother but it seems that alot of the files have an invalid timestamp. is here a command to use to touch all system files?
a_lot
or rather, those files with a specific date?
You could probably write a bash command to do it
current time.. touch
it’d take a long time to run
and thats just pseudocode
Yeah, i understand that pseudocode. I’m not familar with cryptic linux hosting commands.
Any chance you could shed some light on it?
current time then touch. something like that.
heh unfortunately my level of familiarity is similar to yours :/ I’d have to look through some manpages
why not just touch *
touch * i think, would create a file called *
heh ok..
touch ./* works
interesting.
does that apply to files within directories?
touch ./*/*
;P
doh!
silly me. i’ll go try it out
duhh
bingo fixed.
Yes it may apply to files within directories. but you should only need to touch 2-3 files to get that startup error message resolved, instead of touching everything under /etc
touch * -R alsow works
Please don’t take my advice – I am not even sure what touch does
I assume, sets the ‘last modified’ time to right now
It’s fine, I’m messing around on this box. will probably format it when i’m done testing some stuff
Update the access and modification times of each FILE to the current time.
from ‘touch –help’
777966592527
I just realized that for some reason, a large part of the files in /etc has got their date changed to 17th aug.
shit.. did it again..
can you put Gentoo livecd onto usb drive?
why cant the thing assume where i want the data to go
runey yes
runey, yep, it’s a little difficult in windows though
just copy and paste? or what?
bandwith_, language
you need to make it bootable first of all
mind-reading is scheduled for merge in Linux 2.6.25
then you can pretty much copy it
or just dd it
runey, there are a few guides on howto do it if you google it
dd if=theiso of=theflashdrive?
liveusb
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml
i think the cd drive is dead on this lappy
lol, athlon XP is not dual-core right?
sorry, forget I asked
damn this network
out of interest, is there any way to get the estimated remaining battery time in gentoo in a shell
estimated time remaining is calculated from remaining capacity and discharge rate, but you can get those from /proc/acpi/battery/* usually.
what media player do you ppl use? xmms is buggy, audacious appearantly too (keeps running after closing internet radio)
amarok?
i changed make.conf added gtk … gcc wants to rebuild with gtk flag … should i rebuilt X related stuff with new gcc ? or its not needed ?
xmms, buggy? That thing has been stable for like 10 years
If you can confirm a bug in Audacious, then please report it.
kexman no. and your gcc doesn’t really need the gtk flag
kexman, i put -gtk in package.use for gcc
gnome user ..
wasn’t xmms discontinued already?
the xmms pause bug has a patch
mplayer in a termainl
dropped from portage, not discontinued
s/termainl/terminal :p
doesn’t always happen i’ll report it if the next version still has it
but the xmms is not under development anymore, they are working on xmm2
I imagine totem is okay, too, if you enable the propler USE flags to make it use xine-lib
ah, ok.
? Last time i checked xmms was removed from portage cuz of the _horrible_ code
no they are not
1.4? Don’t expect it any time soon.
xmms2 has nothing to do with xmms
anyone knows what’s that media player that can be ran straight from a cli?
is VIDEO_CARDS=”ati” sufficient for an ATI Rage Pro Turbo card?
reisio, really?
teach lemur xmms
yes really
xmms has been removed from portage, due to long standing bugs, and also the project has seen no new releases for a long time. Some alternatives include audacious and amarok. If you find ebuilds with hard dependancies on xmms, please file bugs against them, at http://bugs.gentoo.org/ . If you want to complain, please complain to gentoo’s userrel, not to xmms devs. also see http://xrl.us/s7qo
they’re using the ‘xmms’ name to get unjustified attention
reisio, that what i heard
hm
didn’t know
initially I think _one_ former XMMS dev was involved with XMMS2, but he has long since left
totem is dead, I never got it work. I would deinstall this needless programm, but it is part of the gnome desktop
if you didn’t enable the USE flag to have it use xine-lib, it wouldn’t be much use anyways
for gnome you need to install gstreamer plugins, sort of like codecs in windows
gstreamer, ha :p
no it doesnt needs it ?
don’t like it?
I don’t like cruft
no.
but if i rebuild gcc with gtk flag
do i need to rebuild stuff with it ?
Skunky, what would be correct then?
What’s “High Memory Support” for in the kernel menuconfig? there’s no help entry for it
mach64 or r128
it’s for if you have more than 2 gigs of RAM, IIRC
wiki Blair highmem
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_MSI_Megabook_m635_aka_1029
how much ram does your machine have?
wiki Blair intel memory
128mb at the moment
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_P5ND2-SLI_DELUXE
a href=”http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_P5ND2-SLI_DELUXE”http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_P5ND2-SLI_DELUXE/a
:/ i’m thinking of going back to kde, i just like the fact gnomes interface is cleaner. unfortunately linus is right on gnome, they are interface nazis a lot of options are missing
then you don’t need it.
potentially gonna add 256mb later, but thanks
freakynl, coud be exaile for gtk
still won’t need it
Skunky, how do I pick between the two?
could
exaile?
add them both, and then figure out which one works after they emerge. (:
dont u know it?
highmem support is for =1G ram
no i’m dutch
Linus is a silly person :p not sure why he even cares, I thought he used FVWM :p
Skunky, cool, and just drop ati?
No, it’s for.. 864MiB, iirc. Somewhere around there.
freakynl, http://www.exaile.org/
dunno but he’s pretty positive about kde i think
_Monkeh, actually it’s above 900 M…can’t recall the exact number….942 sounds right
896.
ah a music player thx thought you were commenting on gnome. does it perform well? I mean… it’s written in python
ati is for the ati binary drivers, which don’t support your card.
whatever, it’s hard to come up with that exact amount of ram
you’re talking about someone that allowed a proprietary software to be used for version tracking of the kernel :p
freakynl, i only know it is similar to amarok but i nerver tried
this is not a person whose statements you want to take without a grain of salt
noone is
freakynl, if you don’t mind mpd, sonata is a nice alternative
ty skunky
i’ll check it out thx
no you can believe everything I say :p
the moon is made of cheese
haha
exaile isn’t bad….occasionally crashed on me though
according to google moon anyway
fortunately i don’t like cheese
How do I modify the useflags directly to emerge?
I’m trying to emerge boost, but I’m not getting boost_thread
so i somehow broke vlc on my machine….i can only run it as root…when i run it as a user, it just prints out “segmentation fault”
And it seems i have to add to the useflags threads
but I don’t have full access to do that on the machine
uh. if you’re root, you have full access to do anything you want. (:
Skunky, is it possible to do it on the command line or not
need a bit of help
how do i disable eth0 from trying to connect to a network at boot?
do what? change USE flags? yes.
Skunky, yes
firefox has apparently had APNG support for a long time, but emerge doesn’t seem to build it with APNG enabled. Does anyone know how to get APNG to work?
lufthanza /etc/conf.d/net
do you have some other network connection it should be starting on boot?
eth1
…
wow.
how would you guys suggest installing gentoo as a domu for xen, and i cant do full virtual to install from cd
it loads eth1 at boot, but eth0 is a ethernet card, and I rarely plug my laptop in to ethernet cables
rc-update add net.eth1 default, and rc-update del net.eth0
I did that, but for some reason it’s still loading
and fix your conf.d/net
whoa, PCI hotplug support?
only if your motherboard supports it, most don’t
do you need special hardware for htat?
oh k
same with cpu hotplug. only if the hardware supports it.
heh
hotplug != yank-the-card, eh?
how would i do that? I commented out eth0 lines, but it just presumed dhcp
what are you wanting to do?
well I was thinking of like maybe having a video card that I plug in when I need a monitor directly connected but otherwise have it not using system resources
it helps to read the net.example in conf.d
stop eth0 from loading at boot
get one of those funky usb vga dongles
is it moduled?
heh
well it has integrated video, but I was just thinking of the future I guess
yes
i wish there was a USB based monitor
then as long as you dont load the module, it shouldn’t start
udev will load the module
would using config_eth0=( “null” ) work?
i didn;’t think udev auto-loaded nic modules?
i don’t know without reading net.example (:
it does
that brings it up and unconfigured.
it does. much to my frustration.
what’s the end goal for this? you rarely have a cable attached?
I wonder…can I run a wireless-N card using current drivers in a/b/g mode?
if thats the case, emerge netplug
and netplug will only start it when link is detected
in theory, if you’ve got a card that has a linux driver…
kk
oh
well what I meant was use some sort of generic driver
but I guess that’s a no
no such thing
k… it was listed as ‘experimental’ for madwifi last time I checked, which was a couple weeks ago
do I need to compile bluetooth support into the kernel if I have a usb bluetooth adapter?
ifyou want to use it, yes
bluetooth hci (if i remember right)
heh…okay…hmm, so in theory I could have a bluetooth headset and have the box play music on it…
sure, in theory
exciting
bluetooth just handles the communication. you still need software to support the activity
ok, thanks for the help
that do what u want?
well, yeah…onboard audio + mplayer should do it with some tweaking, right?
no idea
I guess I’ll find out
afaik no, since bluetooth headset would talk through bluetooth, which the onboard sound would have nothing to do with
oh, I would need a driver for the headset then? :/ or some kind of handle?
the other option is to edit the rc_plug_services (i think?) in /etc/conf.d/net
yeah i believe so
hmm, okay, thanks for the heads-up
err.. /etc/conf.d/rc i mean
anyone know a way to resize a ext3 partiton and create a ntfs on the new empty size?
(not sure if that even made any sense)
gparted
is that a package?
holy cow, it is
or the hard way … resize2fs, then fdisk, then boot windows and make an ntfs partition
it is, and it is very, very, good.. make sure you have appropriate USE flags set for the filesystems you want to work with (and appropriate kernel support)
yes, it’s a package. tho you’ll need to be able to umount whatever partition you wanna be changing…
that’s the thing. i don’t have any windows installed. can i make an ntfs partition just to host windows programs on it?
oh okay. fortunately i am just wanting to resize my extended /home partition, which i can unmount
or even easier find the gparted livecd, download it, burn it, reboot, resize, eject cd, reboot and enjoy
hm, interesting.
… and put cd away for safe keeping and use later
you can, but why would you want to?
What’s Profiling support? The help message just says something about “lets you use profilers such as oprofile”
well this is my situation. i am trying to install a program and use with wine. but wine won’t install it. i read somewhere that it works if i have it installed and ran from a windows partition
hmmm
im trying to putback grub after a windows install
ew. so you
but can i make an ntfs partion without actually _installing_ the windows os?
and i would normally use a live cd and change the root drive like root=/dev/sda4 but the live cd is unstoppable
no, see, that’s part of what they’re telling you. you have to install windows to make that run.
squigly, does it need to be ntfs or would fat32 do too ?
when i chroot fromt he live cd it doesnt have a populated /dev so i cant install grub
oh yuck…
Hi, I just installed layman and for some reason after ‘layman -S’ it only shows one repo… how do I get it to show them all?
it’s not worth it.
so hang on, has ntfs been fully cracked?
you have to mount /dev in your chroot
boot from a livecd/install cd and chroot as per the install handbook, then skip to the steps on configuring grub … mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev before you chroot
sorry sion_ ?
no.
squigly, wrong person, better get coffee first
so it’s still just move/resize/read partitions?
TaD, Skunky cheers, im a bit old fashioned, so many changes to the way dev works
I normall mount /proc and /sys into the chroot as well
i was suprised that the live cd didnt have a rescue mode
rescue from what?
TaD, with the bind option?
rullie, rescue from terrible occurance, (in this case installing windows)
yes, just like the handbook says.
yep
o
Skunky, id just like to point out that that is not like the handbook says
Hi. I just installed postfix and went to run newaliases like the howtos on the wiki say to do, but when I run it it tells me that there is no such file /etc/postfix/aliases. The file of course is not there, but what can I do to get something valid there?
yay it works, thx all who helped
touch /etc/postfile/aliases?
im sure an empty file is valid
ok, I’ll do that, run newaliases and see if postfix liked it
yeah that did it. Thanks
I must say postfix is sort of a bear
how would I install the perl module to stop “Can’t locate DateTime/Format/Strptime.pm” ?
g-cpan, if it’s not in portage….
thx
if i want to format an ntfs partition using fdisk, would i use the 7 HPFS/NTFS option?
fdisk doesn’t format partitions.
true…my concept is messed up. but i am using fdisk to specify the type of filesystem i want to associate with a HDD i am intending to format.
correct. except you can’t actually format an ntfs partition from anything but windoze, which means you still have to install it.
How can I know which ALSA release is in a given kernel release?
Is there an URL with a list?
ah crap. k cool, that answers my question :sigh:
How do I know the ALSA release present in kernel 2.6.21, I really need to know
use the source
It’s in the source?
lket’s have a look
Where in the source?
I would look in the menuconfig
under sound devices
ls -alR | grep alsa
gives nothing for me…
and go to ‘help’ on the various alsa options
dunno if that helps *is noob*
let’s try menuconfig then…
but I am not sure the alsa release number is mentionned
there’s nothing useful.
in menuconfig.
anyone know what’s the point of firefox’s search bar displaying your previous search key phrase? i hit tab to try auto complete but does not work?
I didn’t say “use menuconfig”
I know
I did
I tried to look at the source files but found nothing named alsa…
ls -alR | grep alsa
Did you look at the contents of the source files?
while in /usr/src/linux gives very few interesting files
problem is, *which* source file?
umm, I’m guessing you could work a cat into that command somewhere?
well, let’s see. how about something under “sound”
so that it displays the individual lines that contain the expression ‘alsa’
does anyone know how to fix that annoying ‘This is hostname.(none)’ message at startup?
Yeah, looked there…
but nothing really exciting
the Gentoo handbook says to edit
conf.d/net
I’ve done that and yet it persists
/dev/null ?
/dev/null
thanks
and if i want to put it into the background, just add an & at the end right?
[Shiba]: you didn’t configure your /etc/conf.d/hostname or /etc/hosts correctly.
whee…gotta run downstairs and take out the CD before rebooting…this is exciting
sleep 30; reboot
^^^
Sorry but I am stuck
there is no clear main ALSA source files
all the files I look into don’t have any version numbers or whatever
damn I did not think just knowing which ALSA release I have would turn out to be difficult
dmesg | grep “Advanced Linux”
so? if you’re this desparate to know what version things are, you’re gonna have to look at the source, and probably match against cvs/svn/whatever they’re using these days at alsa-project
ha thanks
ah, come on. no fair giving the easy answers away!
pleasure
this gave me the version. It says 1.0.14, I hope it’s not a rc-whatever
well, it booted without catching on fire..!
or dig throug /usr/src/linux/sound/core/sound.{c,h}
I suspect that if it was, it would claim so. Mine reads “Version 1.0.14rc1″, for example.
Ok so that’s 1.0.14 final. Good to know
sorry, just sound.c (there’s no sound.h)
already looked, nothing there.
APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)
use the source
Yessss~!
i have. doesn’t say WHY it gets that error. (:
you had to make me find it … /usr/src/linux/include/sound/version.h — obvious really
can someone tell me how i can change the directory where gcc looks for header files?
now, why would you want to do that?
yeah sorry, did not notice that version header…
so i’m trying to start an app in the background, but whenver i do, it just returns the state as stopped
Is there a geographical map of server locations? :O Roughly 60% of the united states is closer to me than quebec
i compiled avr-gcc myself and it doesnt find the path to the header files so i would like to set it manually
how are you trying to start it foo &
/dev/null &
netselect might help (not graphical, but works out host with lowest ping I think)
How would I check whether I have 1×1024mb ram or 2×512mb?
ah, ok, that’ll work
thanks
nox-Hand: open the cover and look.
nox-Hand, it might mention it on the bios-summary screen…right after post
bad bad bad.
nox-Hand: open the computer, or if you have lm_sensors it is able to find out on some systems
nox-Hand: lshw
ne1 know whats happened to net-dialup/pptpconfig ? did it go away? or do i just need to upgrade to current revision of gentoo to get it ?
TaD – it brings up an IP address which seems to resolve to owl.gentoo.org; where is that?
couldn’t tell you
Skunky Prefer to not open up my PC as it is a laptop and I my school voids all warranty if one self-sevices
I.e even opens it
nox-Hand: then, it doesn’t MATTER what you’ve got, cuz you’re too afraid of voiding the warranty to do anything with that info. (:
Haha, no, it’s because I am looking at prices for upgrades – 1x 1024 is cheaper than having to upgrade both slots with 1024
traceroute would lead me to believe it’s in the SF bay area somewhere. (:
School can upgrade if they like
Okay, cool, cause 45ms ping is pretty sweet
especially considering the local university has a mirror
or maybe not…it’s not listed anymore
this is what traceroute is for. (:
Skunky, owl.gentoo.org is probably using a round-robin dns server hosting or something more advanced
Cool, and here I thought it was for finding the ideal place to sniff people’s packets
adeeln – should I be putting in the static ip hosting address instead, then?
probably not …
nope, only 1 ip resolves to owl
could be an IP for the load balancer
well that’s ok, that’s as specific as I need to be for rsync isn’t it?
yes.
and your ping times to that are a bit less than half what they are for me. (:
wow
san fancisco bay…I’ma look that up
ping time 2ms
and thats at max load
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.141/0.203/0.256/0.045 ms
showoff. (:
yeah, that’s almost 2000km away from me
wait
san francisco bay is where san francisco is, right?
yep
yeah
1881km roughly
san fransisco, oakland, san jose
distance between me and the closest mirror… 1meter
kek
If there is a mirror in like, wyoming, nevada, montana, washington…it’s closer than that
network latency is only partially distance dictated. if you’ve got a big pipe between you and wherever, it’ll be faster than something closer with a smaller bandwidth connection. I’m in NYC, yet due to the way things get routed and such, sometimes the fastest mirror for me is not in NYC, but
in DC, or atlanta, or SF
yeah I guess…I wonder why, though
good places for mirrors are places that have a lot of big network connections coming to them, DC, NYC, LA, Atl, SF
hmm
not to mention, latency is more driven by the # of hops
rather than distance
I’ve had ~20ms pings on a dedicated link from GA, USA to Germany
nice
because not everybody has fibre optic directly from their house to the nearest mirror. (:
distfiles… portage?
im a n00b i know
I’m looking at ordering an apple xraid in the next few months
I forget where I was reading about the speed of light and how fast the best-case pingtime to the opposite side of the world would be
replace this 300gb scsi drive with a SAN
well the speed of light is 300,000 km/s
how much downloads does it use sync’ing?
the circumference of the earth is like 30,000 miles iirc
~110gb
so like ~100ms
checkout InfiniBand
/dev/mapper/gibson-mirror
119G 102G 11G 91% /mirror
… i need to get a better net connection before i make a distfiles mirror :-/
just setup a shared NFS folder for your distfiles storage
then when you download something its there for other boxes to use
hey, anyone wanna cyber?
I only mirror gentoo & openwrt
*waits*
heh 200nanoseconds? :O
anyone wanna cyber?
hmm… the ops must be slow today….
anyone wanna take a hike?
Strike[]: I’ve already had sex today
so count me out
what the Wall Street BIG CATS use,.. google uses InfiniBand also fyi.
sweet
hkBst, wanna cyber?
LOL
Strike[]: I have no idea what you mean, but please keep to the topic: Gentoo support
don’t forget to take into account lorentz time contraction…because doing the basic math, the minimum time is 0.134 seconds
hkBst, you know, cyber sex
irc sex
for light to go around the world at the equator
ROFLOL
fun stuff like that, you know you wanna
lol i smell a kick/ban
i smell a cyber!
strong smell eh?
just go somewhere and masturbate…
didn’t see that coming
so hmm, this infiniband thing
sup
lol
PLease don’t feed the trolls
0am
i’d be sleeping if it wasnt for this tooth
is essentially a cable that can be used for anything from connecting a cpu to the RAM, all the way to small-area networking?
is essentially a cable that can be used for anything from connecting a cpu to the RAM, all the way to small-area networking?
lol
quick someone punch me in the mouth so my tooth-ache will stop hurting
has anyone here maybe used servoy? www.servoy.com
thnx
*** Santanabaer *** what is lol?
if you want a more real application, try sitting with your face in front of a CD drive and overclocking it
you dont know ?
is there a way to get emerge to send a copy of each package to a NFS folder?
read about ATA over Ethernet?
*** Santanabaer *** i dont know im from russia
lol = laughing out loud (most used in chat)
like a binary? or the actual source code
anyone else use ndiswrapper w/ rt2500usb?
Nope…I’m guessing it’s the new ‘thing’?
source
*** Morsiki *** i dont understand
*** Santanabaer *** i dont understand
InfiniBand is expensive. ATA over Ethernet cheaper, lol
have you tried net-wireless/rt2×00 ?
http://www.fixedlimitholdem.com/chat.html
read that
Myrinet is also a cool networking thing like Infiniband
be careful with that usb wireless modem, it will freeze your system.
*** Santanabaer *** thank you
there are known issues with it,.. checkout their website.
so like is it possible to, when emergeing, it checks my server and if the package doesnt exist/is an old version it downloads it from another mirror, and send a copy of the source of each package to my NFS folder
hey likewhoa, good to see at least one userrep interact with the masses
is it the Ralink rt25xx chipset?
ya notice they stopped making cd-rom drives go faster once they hit about 52x?
*** Santanabaer *** a have a bear
yes.. either have your /usr/portage/distfiles mounted as a NFS folder .. or edit /etc/make.conf for DISTDIR location
what if i want the NFS folder on another server?
mount it
I watched that episode of mythbusters today
… im proving my n00bness arent i?
anyway windows sucks so I’m rebooting, brb
http://rt2×00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=4 READ UP
i wonder if this baking soda/water will kill my toothache
the rt25xx usb is actually an rt2570
you may want to look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Using_a_shared_portage_via_NFS
rinse with salt and water
yea thought so
brb
what would be the use to compile host firefox with java useflag ?
and nfs should be already enabled in the kernel
enable javascript
java != javascript
i guess i should rtfm ey?
ahh so you guys would say is it needed or not ?
firefox is for now just compiled with xinerama support here the others are all unchecked
… …
wow
anyone using viper-sources? vipernicus’s site is down and i cant get a hold of the src
was hoping someone who has it could send it my way
googled it?
yeah
how do i find out what arch my cpu is?
it’s x86, i’m not sure what flavour though
um. what is it?
intel centrino
400mhz
cat /proc/cpu and google
cat /proc/cpuinfo
i looked
it feels i386
no.
thing is
lol
‘feels’ i386?
i’m trying to install for another machine
thanks, fingers moved too fast
well it’s old
Pentium Ms are well and truly 686
nah
hm k
it could be 586
maybe
they’re 686
doubtful
i think it’s like a pentium 2
p2 is still 686
well is it a centrino
pentium 2s were 686
oh okay
no a p2 is 586
all these 386 586 686 are confusing !
ive seen a 386
well anyway
Pentium Pros were the first i686
1 per day). I’m not too good w/ system logs or anything, is there some way to tell what might be happening (I suspect but don’t know how to prove it’s firefox)
i used to have one
i’m trying to install something on this disk that’ll let me boot another machine
twas a beast of a thing
Basically, if it isn’t Socket 7 then chances are it’s at least 686
the laptop it’s for has no cd/floppy/net boot/usb boot
ive never understood the *86’s
i think i finally threw away the 386dx40 motherboard i had sitting in the drawer here.
It got funky with the Pentium
ya think it’ll boot, if i just install and swap the disk back?
im trying to source a Commodore64
now THAT was a beast of a computer
I have a C64
tape and disk drives are shot though
shouldn’t be a problem
I think they need new rubber bands
wanna mail it to me?
awh
nah Besides, even if I did, would You be willing to pay shipping on something that big from .au?
so about those viper-sources… sources… anyone got them.
…
what
LSD`: where in Aus are you?
The West, comrade
Tassie!
EE88001
how heavy is it?
The computer part isn’t that heavy, the disk drive is the killer
I don’t want to get rid of it anyway
darn
they are going to be worth a bit soon
is there anyway to search help in menconfig?
….
metadata/cache/app-i18n/xsim-0.3.9.4-r3
metadata/cache/app-laptop/
metadata/cache/app-laptop/pommed-1.5
metadata/cache/app-misc/
metadata/cache/app-misc/beagle-0.2.17
whoops
sorry :$
http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-Disk-Drive-1542-II_W0QQitemZ320142271540QQihZ011QQcategoryZ74945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
LSD` ^
faillog should show me any failed logon attempts, right?
listen
you can searh with ‘/’. Not sure if it searches help…
execute make menuconfig and do a /
EE80
I found several
mine’s the older model
ahh
improv
what would happen if ncurses was deinstalled ?
it says its a console library … but I somehow dont understand
Santanabaer, console graphics
like colors ?
so that would mean if its deinstalled I wouldnt have no console (tty) anymore?
Santanabaer, no
im trying to find a good example
hmm
O.o
is there a DOS emulator for linux terminal?
runey, dosemu
dosbox I think
O.o
dosbox
hi, I tried to set up virtual email hosting for the two domains I own by following the directions at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mail_Hosting_with_Postfix_and_Dovecot , but when I try to /etc/init.d/dovecot start
it tells me that I haven’t use the SSL certificate /etc/ssl/certs/dovecot.pem because it doesn’t exist. I hate to admit it, but I’m a total newbie when it comes to SSL – how can I make that SSL certificate so I can get dovecot t
i wanna play Catacomb!
ahh yeah HarryR that was it
i wish i had more than abyss
postfixadmin, postfix itself and squirrelmail seem to be ok at this point
anyone got the other Catacomb games?
and the Keen set?
an old game I liked was stonekeep
pretty old
what sort of game?
‘/usr/portage/media-libs/libexif/libexif-0.6.15-r1.ebuild’ meep
runey, used to much prefer the other apogee games though (duke nukem series)
look on google that would explain it
Santanabaer, alsamixer uses ncurses, if you have ever used it
ahh ok
yeah i did
i want the other Catacomb games
i cant find them on the net anywhere
dosbox with dbgl is quite owning
has dosbox been removed from portage ?
my search is not finding it
DOS is the best OS M$ has ever made…
games-emulation/dosbox
how do I force HDMA to be enabled?
dont mob me, please!!!
M$ Bought dos they didn’t make it
found it sorry didnt notice the typo
Dos 6.22, win98se, win2ksp4. Three way tie.
how do I make an SSL cert for dovecot? It won’t start without one
i agree
cept w2k
id replaced with w3.11
w3.11 is a beast!
…
i should get out of the habit of loggin in as root :-/
how can i unzip in linux hosting again?
i cant remember :s
“unzip”, if you’ve downloaded that package
emerge unzip
and will dosbox work over ssh?
Somehow, I doubt it
only if the game was console based
it is!
no, dosbox is a graphical application, you’ll need X11 forwarding or VNC for that
catacomb!
(Moon Buggy)
how can i configure X11 forwarding in PuTTY?
i dont understand it
vnc doesn’t update without input
ah
you’ll need a X server for windows though
?
like X-Win32 or something, but that one is commercial
so basically i have to actually go over to my other comp to use dosbox?
you could try Xming, it’s free
ill move
how about you install it on your local one?
linux-2.6.21-viper2.bz2 , anyone have that file
IIRC there is an equivelant of nice but for IO not disk usage
^^
but i can’t remember what it’s called
can someone help?
just a quick question, is there a difference between touch ./*/* and touch ./*/*/* ?
no commentr
*comment
as in, difference of making and breaking a system.
Cirindius, yes
(i dont want to fill this comp up
I don’t intend to test it out on my machine could you shed some light on it please?
Cirindius, ./*/*/* will touch three layers of files, ./*/* will only touch two
and if there’s no 3rd layer of files, why would that be making or breaking a system?
well, either you get Xming (or other X server for windows) up and running on your comp or you head over to the comp on which you’re running dosbox
well, if there’s no 3rd layer of files it wont matter, it’ll still work the same as ./*/* but allow for a 3rd layer sometime in future
ah, ok
thanks
hmm it’s ionice
or i could just run the games natively on windows…
is there an ebuild for ionice?
yes
but running games natively is boring
how do i use dosbox? im in X11
I need to take more notice of etc-update.
you start it using “dosbox”?
xterm?
-.-; breaks stuff.
backup the costumized config files
whenever you execute etc-update you replace the broken ones
Yeah, I know. would revdep-rebuild fix a broken package caused by etc-update or dispatch-conf, for that matter?
BCMM, found it ?
revdep-rebuild does only re-emerge broken packages … issues that happen with etc-update is that your proftpd jboss server hosting or apache doesnt work anymore like you cvonfigured it
etc-update doesnt touch the packages itself
!time
ah, ok.
so it’s just basically replacing the configuration files.
thats etc-update yea
BCMM, ionice seems part of schedutils 1.5 and higher according to this guide: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Light_Gentoo_Installation
thanks
Hey, installing Linux on a friend’s laptop, for some reason it’s doing two weird things. It’s not mounting his /dev/hda2 to /boot/ mainly.
is there any way to distinguish sftp from ssh connections?
But it’s mounting his /dev/hda4 to / like it should be, and the fstab is definitely ok
Vash63, as default, boot may not automount, check the fstab ?
it’s “/dev/hda2 /boot ext2 defaults,noatime 1 2″
with proper spacing though
Is there any way to configure sudo to allow execution for user X of all executables inside a specified directory?
Vash63, not much wrong with that, any lines in your logs or dmesg ? and sure its /dev/hda2 and can you manually mount it ?
I really love gentoo
It manually mounts just fine.
lemur, enough propaganda already :p
what! we need moar!
I really love gentoo too somehow I could kill it since emerge is running already the entire night and the whole morning
Vash63, during manual mount it uses the fstab, or do you specify it all…, I mean, does a plain mount /dev/hda2 work, no mount point specified
rawr
Well I guess I’m preaching to the choir, but you’re the only people who would understand
I tried to tell my family, but they don’t understand..
it takes a real tech lover to give a damn
don’t force them, that only breeds discontent
heh
oh god, wait till you see me talk to my mom about apache
uoh god, wait till you see me talk to my mom about apache /u
use lighttpd 
The most I tried was giving my little sister a Knoppix CD to use on the kitchen computer
I booted it and was like, “here, try this”
I don’t really think she noticed a difference… she just used it and never thought about it again
“Where’s my IE?!”
nah, I’ve had people like “can I use your computer for a bit”
Well, it’s comforting to know that she didn’t care one way or the other if it was Windows or not
even though I’m running a stripped down version of xfce3, most people never notice anything if all they want to use is the web browser
My mom, on the other hand, would freak out because she uses the computer by rote memorization only
had one person that wasn’t sure how to close the window though because “the buttons are funny”
Ok, found an error in the dmesg.
re
“Detected Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection”
“ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: REason -2″
Actually, one time a classmate of mine saw me using KDE, and it looked so foreign to him he pointed at the screen and asked, “Hey, did you write that?”
hi, need some help with my /etc/fstab file
-2″ “failed to register network device
//192.168.1.130/public /home/lufthanza/smb cifs noatime, password=none 0 0
Oh yeah, that was my second problem. Network driver not loading for the wireless.
Because yeah, I program my own desktops.
Hey folks
is that better than apache2?
apache2 seems like a great piece of software.
is there a space between noatime and password ?
Oh, and ‘mount /dev/hda2′ works, but it’s not mounting on boot even though it’s in fstab
yep :/
lighttpd is smaller, usually faster and imo easier to configure, but doesn’t have all the features of apache2
i’m setting up a server with jails so that users can access resources without touching anything which they shouldn’t be touching. to top it off, it’s a free/anonymous server for folks to use.
Having a problem here. Trying to launch gnome. But it isn’t working.
so … remov0r that
sorry to have wasted your time
Vash63, does /boot exist as a dir ?
Yes.
nah, that’s one of those things you wouldn’t see in a month
thanks for your help
Vash63, I would guess there is a mistake in the fstab, tbh, may want to pastebin it
you’re welcome
hi! i let gkrellm2 start automatically by xfce4 autostart… my problem is, that there are 10 gkrellm processes i can see via “ps ax”, which make my cpu-usage constantly be at about 15 to 20 %… if i do “killall gkrellm2″ and start gkrellm2 via cli, the cpu-usage is at about 0-2
%….
hello?
hello!
hi
hey i’m stuck in the termianl cos i’ve done something stupid
Oh, question about the fstab actually.
hey man
ahh damn Im far away from my target I managed to remove 50 packages
This is the first time I’ve done a 2007.0, it didn’t have the ‘proc’ line in his fstab.
Is this normal?
from 730 to 678
so downloaded irssi – don’t really know how to use it
Mine does on 2006.1.
hey DrEeevil
but need ot know some stuff
haihai!
anyone using reiser4?
may oyu tell me the number of your packages on your system ?
i’ve played around with the mouse settings – i’ve got KDE, i was trying to change the sensitivity settings – but stuffed it up – now my mouse is stuck in the top left hand corner of the screen
Vash63, this is a 2007 r1 I think, no proc line either in fstab, just the shm
can anyone help with that?
nihongo desu ka?
~950 on my home desktop, ~500 on my work desktop, 560 on my notebook
genki des
aha DrEeevil
nein, kein japanisch 
ah watashi mo genki
http://rafb.net/p/hSBB1215.html
then I think I am in a good standard with the 680 ?
so how do i reset the mouse settings?
or should i try another forum?
–help
oops sorry i don’t know how to use irssi properley yet
aha DrEeevil
Let’s try using a different nickname
oops
O.o
ok how do i do that in irssi?
Anyone have any ideas about that wireless driver problem?
with ./nick yournick
yeap
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will kill your current X session. you can check in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see if the mouse sensitivity settings were applied there by KDE. Otherwise they could have been saved in ~/.kde/ somewhere, in which case it might be easier to just rm -fr ~/.kde and start KDE
again
It’s an Intel card so I wouldn’t think it would be difficult.
./nick BeatBreaker
X is ~100 items, KDE-meta is ~130 iirc, base system is ~110 … 600 is quite normal
To make it permanent you can /set nick [something] and then /save
ok cool
Vash63, says noauto there
thx that helps me a lot !
Vash63, check again
Would VLC building without Python bindings or a USE flag to add them be a bug or some other kind of error, or intentional?
record seems to be renihs with ~2500 packages
I’d guess intentional
rofl did he install the whole portage ? lol
that means that any program that relies on the VLC bindings would fail
there’s ~9500 packages you could install on x86 …
wow
g or some other kind of error, or intentional?
thanks i’ll give some of that a go
sorry
http://rafb.net/p/DZXUTZ85.html
cheers for the tips
Ok, that’s the problem with my wireless as said by dmesg
what am i looking for in my xorg.conf?
It was typed over to another computer so it might not be char-for-char.
with the time you ll get a routine
i had a look before but have no idea
aaah, just checked the portage bugtrak and it seems that they have been added, I’m assuming all I have to do is resync portage?
Vash63, I cant help with wireless, I never used one (deliberately)
to see the list of users in a channel use /names
and maybe use the ~arch package
look for a device section relating to your mouse, I’m not 100% sure what the setting will be, but you should be able to find it. make a copy of xorg.conf before you start editing it (eg: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak)
cool, i took a look at it but couldn’t find anyting in realation to sensitivity
i’ve got 2 mice in there though – is there a way to revert the settings?
maybe just copy over with an old xorg.conf? – OR should i do that rm -fr ~/.kde ??
remove one of the InputDevice sections — or just place a # at the beginning of each line for the entire section
any changes to xorg.conf need you to restart X to take effect
crtl + Alt + backspace?
that will kill X (and all running programs), depending on how you started X you might need to do startx again, or xdm/kdm/gdm might restart
also say if i tried some of that stuff now, and went off – to keep irssi open i can just do a ctrl + alt + F4 or something, and go back here?
That’s why I do everything that’s important in standard terminal instead of an X term.
when i need to
BreatBreaker, yup
yep
sweet
you’ll do that very often
CTRL+ALT+F7 should bring you back to X
and even 2 X-sessions is possible
yeah that’s a little useless at the moment until X restarts
with 2 compleetly different wdms
..with the new mouse stuff in it
how do you do that with 2 sessions ?
many thankx, i’ll give it a go and get back to you on how it goes
Santanabaer, No idea. I googled it once. Used it to run wine in a seperate X session. But should work with a normal WDM also because twm is also a wdm although tiny.
i am a little freaked out with rm -fr ~/.kde -what the hell am i actually doing there?
that’s why I use screen .. doesn’t matter if the terminal goes away, as long as the box has sshd running I should be able to pickup where i was
ok thx myzrael
screen?
Santanabaer, if I still had the config file I’d give it to you but it’s gone with the wind.
, so if your user name was foo it would = /usr/foo
I hope you’re not running X as root though for everyday use, not a good idea
its alright no worries if you found it on google I will too
hehe true
Hello all, is anyone able to help me with connecting to a PPTP vpn server?
emerge -s screen — handy app to have around
alright Tad I’ll check it out.
but dosen’t rm usually mean Remove?
The X kill thing is the main reaSON i still use the terminal every once in a while.
BreatBreaker, yes
*grin
i love the old classics
yes, other option is to mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup
aka Catacomb
so what am i doing there? will that basically destroy all my settings in KDE?
lol Tad…looking for a screen screenshot
that’s hard on google hehe
BreakMyKDE.com :O
yes, try the mv command, it will just rename .kde to .kde-backup and then when kde starts it will be with defaults. If your mouse is good, then the problem is in .kde-backup
i’m sorry i’m a real n00b but i’m dying to learn more
good luck
How could KDE be responsible for the mouse?
BreatBreaker, just give yourself time.
totally understood – i guess i won’t mind so much that i won’t have the settings there – will they just be visual/asthetic settings?
i made the changes in the KDE GUI mouse thingo
… since when has ID Software had a website?
Oh man
pretty much
runey, I dunno, maybe 10 years
since…. forever?
ive never seen it before
screen run multiple screen sessions that can be detached from a process (term) and atached to other process so you dont lose your terminal sessions if say, your xterm segfaults
anyone using nzbperl here ?
has anyone got the other Catacomb games in the series?
yeah totally
greboides, so what happens if you run screen in X and it dies?
and look! http://www.idsoftware.com/
it goes to your normal terminal so you can F4 to it?
(for example)
its an awesome website!!!
another question – how do i save this session in text to go back? i’m in irssi
man i love ncmpc
you can screen -r it from anywhere…
what will be the improvements? do you know?
Hello all, is anyone able to help me with connecting to a PPTP vpn server?
dir
Skunky,so in short. I run screen in X. X dies. I get kicked to the terminal again and type screen there and my processes will be back?
Everything is migrated to QT4, which has many under-the-hood improvements. Supposedly it’ll make apps automatically faster and smaller in the memory
Also, various components have been replaced by new programs, hopefully nicer ones
no, screen -r there, to reattach an existing screen session
yep, and you can have multiple “windows” in screen, so you can run an emerge, watch a log, edit a file, all in one detachable session
awesome – is KDE slightly more costly on resources than Gnome?
does anyone *know* where to get the other Catacomb games?
TaD, Skunky that’s awesome!
No comment. I have never seen proof for or against either desktop in that respect.
uNo comment. I have never seen proof for or against either desktop in that respect./u
hopefully there’ll be a better mouse GUI – especially to configure a 5 BUTTON MOUSE
How many buttons do you need
5
AT LEAST!
Well I know KDE has some crazy configuration options
it’s also handy when you start something, and forget to end it, can ssh into your box from somewhere else, screen -D -R and you’ve got the session right there
No doubt you can find a way to utilize all 5
by the way….I actually build firefox last night by accident.
Wasn’t such a pain at all.
ok so one more Q -how do i save this session in a document incase i need to revisit this?
firefox takes 1 hour to compile here
Skunky, yeah I’ll definitly check it out.
Santanabaer, indeed. No big deal.
kde4 beta 1 was released yesterday, wasn’t it?
I used the binary before because I was told that it took ages. But it didn’t
so removed the binary.
well compared to openoffice infact no deal
anyone?
I run tv_grab for XMLtv from a script, when I run it manually everything works but when I run it from cron I get a PERL error (unclosed token), Any ideas?
Firefox starts fast. Like in a split second.
My gnome session is broken though. Looks like I have a lot of stuff to fix.
actually .. there is not a big difference in speed between firefox and firefox-bin
ok so one more Q -how do i save this session in a document incase i need to revisit this?
Santanabaer, true. I didn’t notice. But startup time of the compiled one seems a bit faster but that’s about it.
yeah thats a bit faster
Talking about quarters of a second here.
no big deal
sorry, I don’t know, I only use irrsi very occasionally … anyone else know how to save the current irrsi buffer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/troydack/995942694/ — screen screenshot
thanks – or do you know how i can get a list of commands up in here?
/help maybe
nope
woot woot TaD
looks nice
many thanks – arigato! i’ll see you guys on the other side if this works
bummer gnome is still giving errors while launching.
Half of it ain’t working.
startx to restar X right?
*restart
yep, if you that’s how you started it before
startx to start x
ehe
i just booted into it before TaD myzrael
then X may well restart on it’s own
with a ctrl + Alt + Bkspace
?
unless you can log out normally
in KDE CTRL+ESC might bring up the K menu
i always thought there was a way of restarting the desktop from the terminal that will keep the current session also
are you in X at the moment, or a terminal (ie: CTRL+F1-F6) ?
back later
X restart here
gnome problems
never tried CTRL+ESC before, will give it a go
im in terminal CTRL+F1
F7 is useless
ok, in terminal you can do: kill `pidof X` to kill X, but better to go into X and try to logout …
I am looking at the ATI HOWTO on the wiki (first time with an ATI card) and am not sure about this AGPGART stuff in the kernel – as I use PCI-e not AGP
so CTRL+ALT+F7 doesn’t work … nvidia video card?
back
with gnome running and finished
and emerging xfce4 because if I go gnome-light I might as well go xfce4
well it works – just is useless, because of teh mouse issue – keybaord still works, i just thought i forgot a command that would allow me to restart the desktop witout having to kill the session completely
then switch to X, and CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and kill it … graphical login program should restart X and then see how your mouse goes
k no problems
i’ll let you know how it goes
Hi! Just testing my new IRC client irssi.
I have a Gigabyte G33M Mobo, none of the livecds boot
or see my harddrives more specificly
anyone around?
ok that didn’t work i did sudo mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.backup
yup
yeah, but i won’t be much of use
ok, what username are you logging in as?
do you want me to use that instead?
anyone know if the new AHCI controller on the Gigabyte G33M has any kernel support as of yet?
yep, replace the ~ with /home/username
sweet
if it’s AHCI linux should support it
jacekowski, well the thing is, I can turn the raid function on in my bios, but when I do theres no drives detected by linux :/
ok that didn’t work either – i restarted the session and everything
could it be in my xorg ?
this’s isn’t true raid
ok either way…. what does that have to do with the fact the livecd doesnt boot or see any drives?
http://rafb.net/p/nqt05r43.html . Can someone give me a helping hand?
should i try to join a KDE baord instead?
jacekowski, that was not only a useless link it doesnt resolve any of my problems or even answer the simple question I asked.
jacekowski, dont offer to help if you have no clue, just say you dont know
this isn’t hardware raid
actually it is
hi
it is not an add on card
but it is a hardware raid
this isnt a promise bios
which would not be a hardware raid
try dm-raid
too old
my mobo was released 3 weeks ago
hence me asking if the kernel even supported it yet
there’s a database online where i can search a file name inside a package?
no
sorry for my english
Raider, if there was google would know, but as far as I am aware, no there is not.
did you try several livecds ?
Santanabaer, yes like 20
all the same result?
conrad, lyxnax, small gento, gentoo etc
yep
similar
Raider, you’re searching for a file within a package?
not the exact same
suxx :/
Does anyhow have a good site for a kernel compilation? Now that most of the stuff is working I’d like to tweak my kernel.
dawn`chorus, yes
Raider, try ‘equery belongs filename’
hey guys – nfs question
more than likely it is in your xorg.conf somewhere … can’t tell you what it would be though
dawn`chorus, in all packages
I’m exporting /mythstorage from my mythtv server which is mounted from /dev/vg/mythstorage or something similar with jfs as the file system, in it is another directory: /mythstorage/videos which is mounted from /dev/sdb1 and is jfs. Now when I mount my mythstorage dir over the network it
mounts mythstorage just fine, but the videos dir is empty
not only in installed packages
give me a couple of minutes
can anyone explain how to fix this?
http://packages.slackware.it/
like this
did you change the “Pointer Acceleration” ?
Raider, oh I see. yes, that’s equery’s limitation. what file are you searching for?
edit /home/username/.kde/share/config/kcminputrc … you should be able to work out what to change there
dawn`chorus, nothing in this moment
http://rafb.net/p/nqt05r43.html
how can I enable firefox to do sensible things with pdf links? at the moment it just gives me a blank page
lesshaste, that’s an upstream bug, i think.
i can’t manage *any* of my filetypes.
dawn`chorus: updating firefox seems to have killed all my add-ons and the management of all filetyp4es
dawn`chorus: I would assume that is a gentoo problem
lesshaste, my add-ons are fine. but no, i discussed the filetype problem with some firefox folks yesterday.
dawn`chorus: what version are you on?
2.0.0.6
and 2.0.0.6 has no way to manage filetypes??
witam. ;D
it was attributed to a corrupted mimTypes.rdf file.
*mimeTypes.rdg
:sigh:
hum, is it possible to have a 64-bit kernel and evrything else 32bit?
yes
ah nvm, dont wanna reboot! ;P
what are you trying to solve?
is there some particular 32 bit app you want to run?
recommendation for a videofile information tool?
nope, will stay 32bit anyway. Don’t wanna reboot
ok.. not sure what you were hoping to get from 64bit
what info do you want? mplayer will tell you some stuff
nothing, 64 bit is just more problems.
lesshaste, x264 bitrate… mplayer always says 0.0 kbps
I am on 64 bit
there is actually a tool called x264 I believe
the performance increase is so small that i dont consider it worth it.
Just wondering. I don’t always know what options to tick on my kernel or to untick.
ask in #x264
Is there a guide for that?
true
I only saw small kernel guides with littly option but not a guide that really goes trough a lot.
there are some howtos. which ones have you found?
found a few gentoo ones lesshaste but not much information there.
like this one http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7 ?
need something that will guide me trough the entire bunch to make sure my kernel is as small as can be
yea lesshaste
not sure if there is a better guide.. each option has a help document
why do you need a really small kernel?
dunno. Just to tweak it for fun.
(And wanting to learn something)
then tweak it yourself and learn
ok.. then experimentation will be your way combined with reading the help docs with each option
yup, been reading all those help docs.
Oh well no biggy
you should know that only the parts that are used stay in memory if you compile most stuff as modules
it’s gonna take time then.
so the size difference you get will likely be very small in practice
I compile everything in the kernel.
why?!
Modules gave me headaches in the past.
well for learning I would recommend moving absolutely everything you can into a module
as long as you only compile the necessities, it wont make any difference whether its a module or built in
finding ” the necessities” is not easy
http://rafb.net/p/nqt05r43.html
how are you meant to know which options are necessary?
if you know your hardware configuration, no it isn’t
not true
snagg641, I know my hardware
well maybe ive been doing it for so long its second nature
but stuff like Intel CPU microcode support etc
that tells me nothing
sound like I don’t need it though
hehe
google for it then
so then why would you modulize it
also, there’s help for each config option
yup…I don’t need that option
hehe I know that snagg641 …read a lot of them
I’m with myzrael on this
I have been compiling for 14 years
and it really isn’t that obvious to get all the options right from the help docs
googling at every option takes a while………..hehe
and things change as well between kernel versions
so you’ve been compiling kernels for 14 years but you dont understand the kernel options.
emacs and emacs-21. what’s the difference?
true……and by the looks of it this kernel is a lot bigger then 2.4
how can i set up my tv tuner/
*?
I did it before on an imac 3 years ago and that was a lot easier.
dawn`chorus: probably the same, the ‘emacs’ is probably just a link to the emacs-21 bin
snagg641, ok. i’ll check that. thanks
don’t be silly there are hundreds and hundreds of options.
of course I understand 99% of them
snagg641, yeah, your’e right.
but 99% isn’t enough
hehe
so then read up on that other 1%
I see you are in an awkward mood
I was sympathising with myzrael …there is no central doc
im not even sure what the argument is tbh
i agree
there you have your argument
well if you have a question about an option, just ask
I’ll be asking the whole day
that could take a while
lol
what proc do you have?
Model-specific register support.
core 2 duo
and you know that after the third question someone will tell you to RTFM and the whole thing will go in a circle
64bit
maybe subscribe to the kernel mailing lists… that should keep you quiet a while
lesshaste, exactly.
do ask and don’t be put off is my recommendation
do you have an amd64?
EM
I’m at processer type and features now
doing it from the top to the bottom every possible options
-0s
-s
my experience is just for amd64’s but in general 64 bit support gives you very little for a little extra pain
psssh
lesshaste, I have good 64bit experience
i’d say it just works
myzrael, small piece of advise… do a section then try the changes.. don’t change it all in one go and keep a good backup in grub
