cout “Hello World” std

is there anything i should take into consideration before i switch to ~amd64 packages?
or is it simply just a matter of adding it to make.conf?

if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces

are there many pieces?

I haven’t had any problems, but be aware that there is no downgrade path

no clue, i have been running ~x86 for a long time

and depending on your luck there can be many pieces …

How do I active my LVM volumes from a gentoo live CD?
activate

modprobe dm-mod and vgchange -a y. you should read the docs :p

right, thanks.

well considering i have just gotten most things working on my laptop, i may as well break it again

gentoo lvm2 hannesd_

nothing found

ho hum
fail

:/

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml

ahoi, seems like an emerge world broke my libexpat dependencies, how may i fix them? tried a revdep-rebuild (turned off ccache), tried to re-emerge for example subversion, which still complains: “svn: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory”

oh, I got the nick and search term the wrong way around. silly me.

“/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: warning: libexpat.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libaprutil-0.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)”

bogard same broken dependency here

/topic

fixed by revdep-rebuild
/msg mzbot faq expat

Hello, I have a problem trying to use SSH SFTP
I can connect with ssh to the remote server without problem, but it hangs when trying sftp via -s sftp
Any ideas?

so what replaced gnome-settings-daemon

can you use scp instead?

let’s see

installing portage ~x86 does not seem to be a good advice, mh?

(but that would only be for debugging, I need sftp)
scp does not seem to work either…

what arch are you using?

x86

portage-2.1.2.12 is keyworded stable there.

which ebuild has the dig tool?

bind-tools

What’s most surprising it that everything worked 1 one ago

kerframil, cheers

besides, the recommendation is made for a reason (dependency resolution ordering quirks in prior versions).

hello, everybody. I encounter a strange problem with *genkernel*. I build gentoo-source-2.6.22-r4 by genkrenel. but, when I reboot and, it halt with new kernel. I notice that, the initrd promote : “Activating mdev”. why genkernel made initrd with mdev instead of *udev” ?

i see … well, synced portage 2 days ago …

AFAIK, there was a bug for genkernel-3.4.8. Is there any workaround for it ?

Hi, could U recommend me a package to read Ebooks?
(package – app.)

which format are the ebooks in?

should be OK on the next sync then.

..lit

From another PC everything works. So the problem is on the client side??

salmonix, aha!! Its you again! I replied to your question yesterday and you left before you could read my reply

I have a not-secure connection here. Sorry, anyway.
I mean not reliable. (A DWL-G122 usb is forced to work. Sometimes goes into silence.)

who doesn’t

there are no ebuilds to satisfy “=net-www/apache-2*”.
(dependency required by “net-analyzer/nagios-core-2.8″ [installed])

anyone can tell me what provides the “dig” tool ?

it’s correct though, that doesn’t exist

could U drop me your yesterday andser? Kind of time-wrapping…

bah

you mentioned dependency resolution quirks in prior versions of portage … should I stick with revdep-rebuild and the new portage then or rather use the commands proposed by “/msg mzbot faq expat”

answer…

we put the faq there for a reason also

equery belongs dig

what use is that if he doesn’t have it installed?
bind-tools

my bad

kerframil, okay, thank you

hello

it’s very similar to revdep-rebuild but a bit more focussed on this particular problem, shall we say.

anyone had a problem with nviidia-100.14.11 and screensaver? won’t wake up from sleep, or drop the screensaver; i have to restart the X session

is is possible to overclock my processor from within Gentoo? I don’t want to use the BIOS to overclock my processor

got it thanks

salmonix, sorry I got caught up with something here…ok to read .lit files however you want them, you need to convert them to html. You can do this via: convert lit (http://www.convertlit.com/) and then use any web browser type application to read the html file.

someone knows what package i need to have the audiocodec 0×2000 (i think it’s ac3) mplayer doesn’t play it

so what replaced gnome-settings-daemon

is there an alternative to equery belongs that would include all packages, not just ones installed?

Great, thanx.
Bye and nice day!

some dev has a bespoke database that can be search. I can’t remember who or where.
searched, rather

bespoke?

tailor-made

http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~mvg/f2edb/
^^ that what you asked for?

hi, i wanna find out to which package this file belongs

thanks for that line for generating package.keywords, i only had to clear about four packages after that to get emerge world -Duvp to finally give a real list, but then there were blocks, I cleared those, and emerge world -Du failed on the second package

what command should i give
qfile?

is ccache aware of changed reverse dependencies?

so what replaced gnome-settings-daemon

great.
yes, thank you!

i guess no matter what I do with emerge it all boils down to emerge –resume –skipfirst

ugh
the very combination of those parameters is an ode to failure.

it seems at least half the upgrades don’t finish and the explanation it gives is beyond my understanding

qfile if it’s installed. or the link that DrEeevil mentioned if it isn’t.

well, it’d help if everything would just upgrade

it seems that you need to bang your system into shape.

emerge portage-utils
q’s are a must have

q++

something substantial?

how can i start gdm instead of xdm?

be assured that I was not referring to a sledgehammer

it’s just weird going into a new install then –sync and more than 400 packages to upgrade, only one or two at a time succeed before one fails and I have to babysit it

bad time to do an install, that’s for sure.

i’m trying to say it’s a gentoo thing

stage3 doens’t look so great when a significant amount of time lapses from the date of the release media (especially when various major/breaking updates have been included in the mainline portage tree since).
yes, I know it’s a gentoo thing.

tetra, thats strange, on my 3000 packages system only 11 did fail on last world upgrade (+800 packages)

do i dare ask what stage1 looks like?

tetra, make sure you make good use of package.use/package.keywords

i failed after about 50/89 i think the gentoo servers might not be doing great atm but its just a hunch

erm you dont upgrade a gentoo tomcat server hosting directly
you build the upgrades in a chroot and deploy once you are content
like solaris live upgrade or similiar method

I’m not going to advocate it because it isn’t supported. to be fair, it wouldn’t make any difference with the expat issue.

i think i’ll just do a bare stage1 system minimal install and only emerge what I need

everything else is insane
stage1 isnt supported and pretty pointless
take a stage3, modify and emerge -e

but after emerge –sync, dependencies fail

tetra, fail how?

erm im a complete noob but im reading a guide (probably old) that told me to do it this so i could patch the kernel im about emerging the system now should i switch to your method now?

as in calculating dependencies (insert little spinner here)

tetra, pastebin your failed depgraph

or during ./configure

Xplicit, for install process disregard what i said, i mean you shouldnt run update world on a live production server
unless you are insane or very brave (is there a difference?)

I had no problems on my server. it’s desktop users with their bloated profiles and myriad packages and dependencies that are being the worst affected.

its much more preferable to build the upgrades in a chroot, and once you are satisified you can switch/deploy whatever
tetra, its a difference …configure or depgraph creation?

i think im gonna try a kexec never done it before

thats what im doing and im setting up a desktop system with kde4 ect

depends on which of the hundreds of upgrades it makes it to

Xplicit, setting up or upgrading?

updating a running system is always a problem, doesn’t matter where you build the updates.. I always switch over to a hot standby machine, update the primary and if everything is fine and re-tested, fail back.

setting up

make a livedvd of it (easy to give friends) and just copy it over

twice a year or like

sometimes the error messages make sense and I can get around it, most of the time the error messages are beyond me and I decide I don’t need that package that much and -C it and try again

tetra, usually build issues are related to USE flags, and/or version incompatibilities (can be fixed by using different version or going ~testing)

How exactly do you update? Clone / to chroot, update there, rsync back to /?

tbh i am surprised how few problems i have when upgrading (i dont say its a run through job but its not that hard neither)

yeah, but sometimes packages with no use flags fail to upgrade

rsync

i usually have 2 / …one from my last working, the other for the new build

if i setup my sytem under the real system does it matter much if i emerge in an emulator?

emulator?

too much work for irq4″ message? /proc/interrupts says, that i have only serial on interrupt4

hannesd, if something is broken (which i didnt find while testing) i can still boot my old system (seperate home), i am doing this method since nearly 3 years now

that’s a bit of a garbled question. if you mean “do any actions I perform within a VM guest affected my host OS?” then the answer is generally no.

very happy

Gentoo as a guest OS under VMware ?

Ok, so you have a reboot after the update, that was what I’d like to now.

never had real issues :p

know

hannesd, ya but not needed really
i could run a binpkg upgrade
but on my desktop…dont mind the reboot
i need to boot from livedvd anyway
*need*
since i am now using lzma compression and my old kernels dont support that
squashfs with lzma

my ubuntu cant read reiser4 so im running a live cd to install my system and im using qemu now so i can use my computer while emerging my gentoo partition

Xplicit, you run your old desktop in qemu???
patient you are :p
try vmware-server, its free in terms of price

hiya Fieldy

nah im in ubuntu using qemu to run a liveCD that im chrooting into my gentoo from

So you have two / and a seperate chroot where you build stuff, which you rsync into one of the two /?

even more insane :p
hannesd, ya but since my desktop and my dev box are geographically seperated …there is the livedvd step in between
hannesd, i have 2x 20gb for / on my harddisk
and a large home :p
i install always the new version to one of the 2 / keeping my old as fallback should something horrible happen
thats rotated like twice a year (when i deploy new build)
that way i can safely upgrade/downgrade and always have a working system

everything back as i am used to it :p

if i have a backup of my home that is :p

is is possible to overclock my processor from within Gentoo? I don’t want to use the BIOS to overclock my processor

I’m still searching for a perfect way to keep two clone boxes in sync. Production data is replicated using DRBD, but / is not. I currently update one box, test, use csync2 to push changes to the other machine, flush file system buffers and power cycle it, as depending on change it won’t shutdown clean. Though this works fine, it’s dirty, and not every hardware can be made to not lose data on a reset.

it’s not safe though

hannesd, why not boot from nfs?

what is not safe about it?

brb

I have bad experiences with it and don’t like it, but I have thought of that as well.

dont know any prog in linux that let you overclocking in your system

ok

why don’t you clocking in bios?

i know of a program to overclock gpus so guess its possible but your processor/mobo must allow it

overclock*
you can overclocking your graphic card in linux

because when I have my procs at stock speed my computer doesn’t boot (because of an PCI-X RAID controller). When I underclock my procs in the BIOS my system boots again. Now I want to “overclock” my procs back to there stock speed in Gentoo

some ppl here uses imagebot ?

it is an dirty trick, and it is an last resort. First I’m gonna try to get my computer to boot at stock CPU speed with the PCI-X RAID controller in it

oh, i see. why don’t you overcock your cpu beyond stock speed?

because it is an server. And you don’t overclock servers. Period
my desktop is overclocked btw (runs at 3.0 Ghz instead of the stock 2,4 Ghz)

first time i hear that you need to underclock your system to boot in the system

it is an first time for me too

gl as i never try to overclock in this situation

but I’m doing something wierd things so it is partly my own fault
for some reason I don’t think old socket 370 are created to run PCI-X RAID controllers :p

you got yourself to blame if thing gets worse…but if it’s worth a try then just go ahead

old socket 370 motherboards*

that is pretty old!

yup, I know

hello

can i ask somth ?

is ccache aware of changed reverse dependencies?

should i stay on ubuntu or switch gentoo ?

hannesd, but if you just want root to be cloned, i think a minimal linux hosting image loaded into ram, then mounting userspace stuff should suffice

we really wouldn’t know

staar2, thats a matter of opinion

hi

to

i’m searching for an emerge/portage feature, but can’t figure it out: i’d like to have a command that lists which packages depends/rdepends of one named package
i.e. emerge –whoneeds dev-lang/python
[here all dev-python softs]

hi, i am now installing gentoo and editing my make.conf on my laptop. i want to optimise my pentium dual core cpu but i dont know how or what processor architecture to right. whether i should use -march or not

emerge portage-utils; qdepends –help

thank you very much, i test it right now

i am scared of writing prescot as prescot are pentium 4 which is not exactly the same as my processor

lnxmomo http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags

i just installed beryl and i get some error with another windows manager is allready running
can anyone help me with this ?

How to add a default route to eth0?

Is the minimal cd just made for i486?

kronos, –replace

route add default gw ip

kronos, try running it with –replace

i use beryl-manager

oh

eifzon, i think i386

renihs, dan
damn

tried it with replace and i get the same error

ElvanorAtWork, route add default gw ip
eifzon, not 100% sure though

renihs, ill checj
ahh renihs, i did get the x86 one
x86 = i686 ?

x86 = 386 and up (but 32 bit)

DeHackEd, I got a Core2duo
shall I get the x86 the

depends, do you want 32 bit or 64 bit mode?

when i installed gentoo my laptop overheated

thanks again, it does exactly what i need, cheers people

Pix:

i stoped the installation

hi, I get “apxs:Error: /usr/bin/apr-config not found!” when I try to install subversion. but apr and apr-util are installed.
apr and apr-util were compiled with the berkdb flag

has anyone here installed/tried to install =kde-base/kdrc-3.5.7?
=kde-base/krdc-3.5.7 *

The newest gentoo release had some problems with dhcp; does it need to be installed (emerge dhcpcd) or does the livecd actually contain it?

hi folks…
how do i tell my sshd that passwords should not be accepted and only keyfile login is enabled?
need this for a private root

anyone tried the new ati binary, 3.40 ?
err, 8.40
even, 8.40.4

Anyone?

I’m sure if you use livecd install it installs dhcpcd…

i have it installed… not actually run any 3d apps though

Bound to be an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

railk, does not crash your box ?

no…
is your crash reproducable?

railk, last 8.39 hard locked my laptop , contantly to the point where if you try to kill X, your entire system used to hang
the *whole* system

I installed gentoo for someone last week; and I noticed that dhcpcd didn’t work (after livecd installation)

well, just google for 8.39, and you find people swearing on that one

have that file open, but i’m not a native english speaker so i cant figure out what option is it

I want to install it on my laptop (slackware irks) So I was wondering.

i must have managed to skip it

lucky you railk

it should work, but then the livecd install has lots of problems. That’s why we still recommend doing a manual install. Especially if this is your first time Gentoo.

so yeah, 8.40.4 seems to be working ok and 3d-accel works and all

the livecd HAS dhcpcd, but you have to install it to your pc seperately… its in the appendix of the handbook

railk, i wonder if its acpi works

…. no idea, how would/could i find out?

railk, one crash i could reproduce is by closing / opening the lap’s lid (the ati script scales down the cards speed )

I’m not certain, but I think you want “PasswordAuthentication no” and “PubkeyAuthentication yes”

I ran the 2005/2006.

Make sure that doesnt’ just disable password auth and allow anyone to ssh in though.

I’ll check it out; worst case scenario is dhcpcd won’t be installed, and I’ll have to install it ;p

(without any credentials)

have those two set, but i can log in with and without password…

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ?

Hrm, well that seems… wrong.

i have no idea whether that feature is active for me, just that closing the lap’s lid turns off the backlight…

i mean, you need either the pubkey or a password, but i want to forbid the use of passwords as the server could be brute forced

upgrading from such an old version will be a bit of a pain, especially if you’re inexperienced with Gentoo.

my last install cd is 2005.0… use that always

railk, /etc/acpi/ati-powermode.sh , it changes powerstates

yeah, but minimal doesn’t install an obsolete system
I strongly recommend you to grab a 2007.0 minimal install cd

railk, you can actually do it manually, by aticonfig –set-powerstate

would be nice if someomone would create an image for usb sticks for installation (or simply for booting a basic system…

railk, so try a few times, report to me if you crash your system

thatzs why im using it until now *g*

Hrm, I went through all the options in the man file, and couldn’t find anything relevant. :/

just wait until you get some new hardware

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

hello, I have a problem compiling gcc 3.3.6, when compilig the process FAIL but don’t stop has normal, but don’t do anything..
insn-recog.c: In function `recog_17′:
insn-recog.c:26479: internal compiler error: Aborted
Please submit a full bug report,

Also, even though the default is no, try setting “UsePAM no”… I just read something saying it was necessary to do so.

the script ain’t workin for me at all

railk, and just doing aticonfig –list-powerstates / –set-powerstate ?

have a core2duo and crazy sata-pata stuff.. runs perfectly

insn-recog.c: In function `recog_17′:
insn-recog.c:26479: internal compile host error: Aborted
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.

for instructions.

hey cruxeternus, worked perfect… now only pubkey is allowed

Does “UsePAM no” fix the problem?

haha faster…

that works
list-powerstates that is

railk, ok, so i guess since you here, perhaps its gonna work
railk, try set now ?

it boots on a 2005 cd??? That’s crazy

awesome

…. now working, its complainin bout stuff

you have to fake abit… but it runs good enough for a chroot… and thats enough

sorry Naamah
I have a problem, and i don’t know how fix it

use http://rafb.net/paste

reset, you else you get reset

hkBst, I can’t, I don’t have browser compiled

scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray”

you can paste from CLI with wgetpaste or nopaste

how could i extract tar to specific dir

I just tried to emerge firefox and ld started using all my ram. Stopped it at 320 out of 512MB resident memory
Any ideas why?

tar xvf file -X putithere/
tar xvf file -C putithere/ *

planteo de nuevo mi problema , acabo de instalar Gentoo, la version de gcc que ha usado por defecto para todos los paquetes es la 4.1.2, pero a la hora de instalar una serie de paquetes, sus dependencias necesitan la version de gcc 3.3.6 y esta me falla al compilar, creo que es algun problema de Glibc pero no estoy muy puesto en el tema y no se que puedo hacer… No tengo browser, xq no puedo compilarlo por las dependencias xDDDDD, etc etc, alguna idea??

English in here please. Or /join #gentoo-pt

engleish please
english*

reset, #gentoo-es

gaaah the upgrade to kde-3.5.7 is so broken T_T

VQuickSilver, in gentoo-es people don’t say me nothing

can somebody help me install gentoo … cant seem to find howto load the drivers from this livecd
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Asus_A8V-XE_Socket_939_Motherboard

reset, see gcc-upgrade guide, maybe you need libstdc++

thanks VQuickSilver

anybody ?

YOu’re following the directions? Where does it say to “download drivers formt he livecd”?

it doesnt say what gentoo installer to use

It says you have a choice: Graphic or Console.

i know i have to recompile kernel … can i do that from livecd ?
i just need to load some modules

yea i guess just like the install docs say

but my hdd isnt detected atm
i need to load these modules to detect my hdd but how

Are you in the middle of an install? What step are you at in the handbook?

just booted live cd thats all
i cant take further steps before hdd is loaded

OK, and you want to install Gentoo onto your hard disk?

was your hard drive detected as /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda?

would be ideal on my hdd

which CFFLAGS do i use for an amd64 ( 32 bt system anyway )=

no hdd detected

and which video card do i use in make for an xt1800 ( radeon )

1800 allready

!google safe cflags

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags

^^

which livecd and how do you know that no disk was detected?

2007.0
i know becuz i launched installer
and it says devices none
allso becuz its know whith my mobo

I’m trying to install gentoo from within my excisting linux installation. I’m chrooted but the network isn’t working, any tips to get it working ?

i need to enable kernel-config-modules like in that howto but dont know howto get to that point

The netowrk is OK when you’renot chrooted?

yes
I’m using irc on the same linux box, there the network is all fine

Is it possible to use emerge on the universal live cd?

at the moment i’m chrooted, i’m not having any internet connection in the chroot

ack! gcc-3.3.6 doesn’t like my CFLAG -arch=k8. umm is there a way to set a per package cflag? Since I don’t want my emerge -e worlds in the future to come to halt because of gcc-3.3.6

Did you copy /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf into the chroot /etc?

ok, that’s what i’m missing
thanks, i’ll try it

any clues for me ?

ok thanks DrChandra, internet is now working all fine

allso its extremly painfull to use irssi and alt key or arrow keys not working in bash … but alt works in X

I’ve mentioned the handbook a couple of times.

k lol
i printed the handbook

can i tail /var/log/messages as a user?

usually yes

but it says u install on hdd then recompile kenerl

or do i have to use sudo D:

well i cant do that since hdd not detected

depends on permisions

are you really sure, that no hdd was detected? (checking with fdisk /dev/sda or hda)

I would have to read the handbook to you at this point. I suspect you need a “doscsi” argument to the livecd kernel, but I’m not sure. You didn’t mention what sort of hd you have.

well /var/log is on tmpfs

checkout another livecd like knoppix

MilesAway, thats a stupid idea

lol

its not the hdd but the via vt8251 chipset blocking it

logfiles can be important…

i was sick of syslog waking up my hard disk

there is a syslog config setting

but anyway, i can’t really set a permission on the file

to collect and only write in intervalls
sure you can :p

on every boot?

also…:p
but if you dont like to wake up your harddisk, google the collect setting for syslog

YOu see the vt8251 listed in lspci?

some usb distros use it

yes

then it will dump every hour or like

i want it on tmpfs o.o

mammals want strange things, agreed

What way do you create your live CDs, are you using catalyst?

i have /tmp on tmpfs too
it’s so messy

hannesd, no, i never figured catalyst out

THis appears to say that vt8251 support was available in 1/06: http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=68455

i build it in a chroot, and use a hacked initrd
basicly i build my system, adjust scripts, make a squashfs and use a hacked gentoo initrd to create the iso

http://rafb.net/p/hiARBK64.html

woot! it works!! http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-499881-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html — per package cflags

its mainstream supported now but i just gotte set to on somehow :$
witch i know jack about …

mkisofs

its a kernel module
this is a newer document about it DrChandra http://gentoo-wiki.com/Asus_A8V-XE_Socket_939_Motherboard

All of the hdd-related device drivers are turned on in the livecd kernel.

Is that in any guide, or is that just the way that works best for you?

hello, Welcome all that are about to help me (hopefully )

hannesd, no guide afaik

well DrChandra its incompatible with via_sata driver

thats the way i like best, easiest & simplest

Emerge fails me with “Calculating world dependencies \

but there was a gentoo howto once i helped with

there are no ebuilds to satisfy “virtual/x11″.
(dependency required by “x11-misc/fsv-0.9″ [installed])
“

might be still around
most working is maintaining intitrd and hack autoconfigure scripts for X

this one? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD_from_scratch
renihs:

ya thats one of the originals i think
lemme check

sorry, didn’t know it was forbidden here to paste a few lines

so no recompile kernel from live cd then ?
then what will do the trick to install ?

erm no not really
that sounds very complicated
..p

yah

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

The handbook might have an alternative install method. I still think the via is supported, however. I am checking.

hannesd, my livecd creation process is basicly the same like installing a system

thkx i’ll idle till u get back to me

except i create a squashfs
and a iso

that’s what prevented me from trying this one yet. if you have something simpler, tell me please

word

Is there a /proc/config.gz present on your system?

yes

zgrep CONFIG_PATA_VIA /proc/config.gz

so, just a bit confused this morning…i’m getting a blocking package, but it doesn’t look like I have the version it says I have…
[blocks B ] gnome-base/control-center-2.17.0 (is blocking gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.18.2)

Blocks can come in as dependencies

# CONFIG_PATA_VIA is not set

but when i do ‘emerge -pvC control-center’ it tells me i have gnome-base/control-center-2.16.3

see the ” sign?

ah!

anything 2.17.0 is blocking

cool railk

2.16.3 is small than 2.17, so you do

thanks, i’m just dumb

*smaller

not set :$

OK, no support then. YOu can unpack the kernel and build it as a module and load it into the live kernel. YOu’ll have to hack it into the kernel .config file though. Ther eis no menuconfig setting for it.

o_0 mommy
care to help me further in doing just that ?

How do I know I’m not just giving you more rope to hang yourself with, later?

hannesd, i just have my dir like dvd.root where i chroot into, and basicly i build my system as you would

or are ther reads about doing sutch things ?

what about giving knoppix a try?

i modify in terms of scripts …which do some hardware detection (autoconfigure is helpfull, knopix tools too)

we all gotte die someday … but today is not my day

hey guys
my mouse is wacky and too freaking fast
actually its speed makes it wacky

As a Gentoo install dodge? It would probably work, but knoppix might not enable via either.

after i have all packages installed and desktop etc configured i build a squahsfs fs from the dvd.root

xset m wont do it

there *is* a menuconfig option or CONFIG_PATA_VIA….

Hmmm, the ALSA guide uses the example of building the kernel drivers as modules but suggests that it’s possible to have them built-in: has anyone tried this successfully?

setting resolution in xorg.conf doesnt do it either

then i grab an gentoo initrd and modify it to fit my needs and build the iso

Where? My grep doesn’t find it in any Kconfig

dunno, simple description but its not too hard once you get the hang of it

dodge? Thats the way I install my gentoo
but ok, if the via might still be unsuported

if you have specific questions/problems i will gladly help you out but the process is so simple i dunno howto describe it :p

AH, nm, here it is

its called “VIA PATA support”, under “Device Drivers”-”Serial ATA (prod) and Pa”… ok you found it

railk oke i have read about it but how do i get in that config stumbz me

goto to /usr/src/linux as root and run “make menuconfig”

thkx

assuming thats where your kernel source is

Who are you talking to about the DVD ISO stuff?

im on live cd

ah

you know that he is on a livecd??

er… livecd. right.

DrChandra, ya livecds

i just saw that DrChandra was saying the option doesnt exist…

hannesd, however do *not* touch unionfs

afaik i dont get into make menuconfig :$

its completeley broken meanwhile
aufs is much cleaner

whazilla can’t proceed with the installation, because the disk is inaccessible. THere is no support for his via vt8251
We checked /proc/config.gz

hmm, that’d be interesting, instead of manifests listing the sha’s of ebuilds and patches use an xattr instead (though probably inprobable currently)

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Asus_A8V-XE_Socket_939_Motherboard is a way to enable it but how to get ther stumbz me in a pit

hello all. why i cant compile shfs on a kernel 2.6.19/2.6.20 ?
!!! This package will not build against kernels newer than 2.6.19

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

NoReGreT, no clue with ppp devices, but check dmesg|tail

that link only tells you, which kernel modules you do need. what you need now, is a howto that explains you, how to build a livecd with these modules

It probably hasn’t been updated to work with newer kernels.

can i do this from a livecd becuz i only have vista :$

acutally I have no clue about building livecds – sorry

lol

there are some info about eth0…

who is a livecd builder in here and think he could help me ?

Seems like the key here would be to get the module binary from the network, and just load it into the running livecd kernel.

DrChandra, hmm bad bad

NoReGreT, restart the device and check dmesg|tail again

Why?

what dev ?

the ppp scripts

erm, ok, didn’t know that hdd detection will work on the fly

its years i fought ppp devices

‘lo all. i’m looking for the best host way to guarantee that gentoo livecd *does not* mount any local drives on boot

have sucessfully forgotten nearly everything p
b1tbkt_, it doesnt per default

do as i do
buy this mobo
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Asus_A8V-XE_Socket_939_Motherboard

what about connectint your hdd via usb!? sounds like a good idea to me!

its unable to install linux onto a hdd lol

ko, tks

?

huh?

:~P

i was adressings b1tbkt_ Q about not mounting or detecting local drives

sorry wrong ‘re’

ops, sorry

oh ok figured, heh np

i think it will work thru usb
then i have one last Q … can i have grub autodetect the vista partition (when on usb mode)

Could you try booting the livecd with the default kernel, and the “pci=nomsi” kernel argument?
Also add doscsi

so type gentoo pci=nomsi dosci

grub can’t autodetect boot partitions afaik, but you can probably use chain loading to boot it if you config grub ahead of time

it just gave me the version ..

which alsa driver should i choose for audigy 2 ?

ah ubuntu always autodetected but that was never on this machine

no ubuntu didn’t always autodetect it, it autodetected it when you installed ubuntu
and just preconfigured grub to know abou tit

NoReGreT, i am really the wrong person for that stuff, havent touched ppp in a long while
always had problems

alright..

so type gentoo pci=nomsi dosci ?
well yea

who is a pppoe pro ?

If “gentoo” is the name of the default kernel, yes.

k brb reboot

egge

rebooted
now what do i type to check for hdd again :p

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

k gtk gentoo installer didnt detected a device again

Any suggestions on what modules should be autoloaded?

Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS…
no luck :$
ttyl back to vista :$

still there?

yah
always i got a shell for that

not sure man, but many people have had issues with the installer
personally, i haven’t used it. i haven’t had to reinstall gentoo since 2004

nah i dont have issues … its just the hardware support that makes no sense
since 2004

, whats your problem besides the installer not working right?

scrollup i suggest its about make menuconfig but the fact i cant do it from a livecd

my install is almost two years old -rw-r–r– 1 root root 0 Sep 14 2005 /root/.keep

and i must build my own livecd to support my hardware but am clueless how precize todo that

ah, i’ve tried to make a livecd before, i gave up before it was finished. why do you NEED a livecd?

here u can read about it

well that sounds like an issue with the livecd/installer

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Asus_A8V-XE_Socket_939_Motherboard

he needs a driver not on the livecd to be able to access his drives

i was looking at it from another perspective … hardware issues …. as i dont have this stuff on another pc
the driver is supported just not loaded

it’s not *on* the livecd, right?
(it isn’t)

that i dunno … its a kernel module and i only have to enable it
read that link above

what is the popular irc console client other than ircii? i am having a mental block

When I run the command “find /lib/modules/2.6.22-gentoo-r2 -type f -iname ‘*.o’ -or -iname ‘*.ko’ the modules scroll off the screen, is there a way to copy them into /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 directly?
“

it’s a kernel module that hasn’t been compiled into the livecd

true

irssi

witchx

yeah irssi! thanks

im using irssi but u say other so i think bitchx

whazilla, i said other than ircii

are you trying to install gentoo?

yes

do ANY live cds work?

nope

knoppix, fedora, ubuntu?

nop
now tried ubuntu and gentoo
so i tried 4cds

maybe the driver is only in the newest kernel or something?

anyone know of a way to force xvidtune to work? it just keeps saying everything I try is not supported

wow, your kinda screwed then not sure how to help ya out

the driver isnt the best driver … its incompatible with sata_via module and that is loaded on livecd
u can help me compile hosting a minimal boot iso ?
otherwise i just gotte be the most vista hating users … mainly cuz i use it

no. my best guess would be to compile a new kernel and use that but i don’t know how to package it into a cd

me neither lol

my suggestion is still to connect your hdd via usb

thats tomorrow

i would try explaining your prob to the forums and see if anyone there knows how
i would try explaining your prob to the forums and see if anyone there knows how

or just wait till tomorrow then work from there

Does anyone know? how to copy modules directly into /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6, there are too many to list

sounds like a good option

yah best guess i bet

thanks

you’re installing gentoo, so you can’t be in much of a hurry

lol

hehe
i had gentoo on ps3

o.O
seriously? … nice

but emerging everything took to long and prebuild was broken :$

“took too long”… as in longer than usual?

yah becuz i had a lame setup

just redirect the output?

i didnt config anything lol

with vim with / i search from top to bottom, how do i search from bottom to top?

i must say gentoo looks nice in 1080p
can i allso do that on pc ? 1080p ?
i got a hdtc out on my gfx card
hence vista ready pc … but vista mutulates 1080p (from my viewpoint)

/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6″ to the end of the command

darkside I dont know how it just outputs it to the screen and wants me to copy it. but it scrolls off the screen. Do i even need to copy modules into the file?

follow railk’s suggestion

k

and..i’m not sure man, I don’t use any modules if i can help it.

ah

i have modules for alsa and wireless devices
but usually mdev and udev load all the right modules for you

ah ok
i wont for now then

railk usually

yeah exactly

not on vista ready pc’s then

your problems come from somewhere else

lol

gnome 2.18 upgrade broke beryl mysteriously; beryl runs, but there are no frames around the windows! help, any suggestions?

meh i have some module scsi_wait_scan being loaded which i have no idea how to compile straigt into the kernel…
thatll be emerald missing
emerald or the gtk-window-decorator

  rebuilt emerald, no difference

did you use emerald before or heliodor?

DrChandra, cause its bad when a program cant be compiled on newer kernel-versions

helidor ;

your charset is weird

rebuilt heliodor, no difference

end when you run emerald or heliodor manually from a console=
?*

DrChandra so i have to compile in my produktive system a new kernel? – iam using complex settings of iptables,

running heliodor manually fixes the problem

did you use beryl-manager or something before?

yes, beryl-manager

of ipsec and openmvpn… – so i have to set all values again… – and whio will tell me that all tghings willbe run well with older kernel

make sure heliodor is selected under window decorator
(right click on the icon for the menu)

morning!

oh, it is. made sure of that.

what do you guys use to block ssh brute force attacks?

did you try using that menu to reload it?

yes, didn’t work.

i’m using ssh-anti-brute.pl but it’s not that effective, it needs to be revamped

I’m going to restart gdm. back in a flash.

denyhosts

how do you get the IPs in there? by hand?

a strong password and a firewall ?)

ieee80211_crypt_wep: could not allocate crypto API arc4/ eth2: could not initialize WEP: load module ieee80211_crypt_wep

denyhosts detect bruteforce ssh attack’s

i have both. i just want to block the activity after certain failed attempts

1,807 – denyhosts : INFO new denied hosts:
3,062 – loginattempt: INFO resetting count for:

can you point me to it?

emerge denyhosts

I have the encryption built into the kernel, and I have already loaded the ieee80211_crypt_wep module

kernel version?

thanks i thought you referred to the deny.host file o.o

2.6.22-gentoo-r3

denyhosts by default add adresses to deny.hosts file
but you can change that behaviour to almost everything

that’s what i was looking for. thanks.

BTW denyhosts is just simple python script

what do you know. restarting gdm fixed heliodor, now all is well. thanks for the tips.

i figured. thx

np … things happen

bbl, going to remove my perl script to install denyhosts

garrr, maties, raise a full mug of grog to me hearty mate railk, and give to him galleons from yer swag

I just finished instaling gentoo on my laptop. It is bash only, but the console does not fill out the entire monitor. It is centered and fills out about half. What is wrong?

zomg, you’re not using a graphical framebuffer console configured to match the exact native resolution of your LCD display.

do I need to add a vga= to my grub conf?

hi

are you using x86 arch?

yes

Why does PHP not have an option for the hardened-php patch anymore?

I’m still on profile 2006.1, am I supposed to upgrade to 2007.0?

karye, yes

i have emerged ifplugd, but know “iwconfig scan” doesn’t work…….
is this normal
???

enable vesafb-tng support in the kernel. see http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ or /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt for “vga=” syntax examples.
suhosin

how? I’ve sync:ed and emerged portage as usual. No instructions on upgrading.. maybe I missed that.

heia ultralisk ..
I funked up the kernel yesterday !

“doesn’t work” is not a very accurate description of your problem

USE=”suhosin”, that is

“iwconfig scan”? you mean “iwlist scan”?

yes, sorry
i meaned that

thanks

whats up BlackBishop

nope, not normal

I’m trying to unmask deluge-9999

karye, http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Upgrade_Portage

and I can’t figure out how

karye, look at the update system section

hey
last Q

is it possible to have parameters to the init scripts commands?

ok, my wlan is down, i can’t test it anymore

something like “foo start component”?

I put =net-p2p/deluge-9999 ~amd64 in my package.keywords but that doesn’t seem to work

can i install gentoo on my usb mem stick sony pro duo 4gb ?

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?
b”pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?/b

so what i mean is can i boot from usb ? do i just install grub to mem stick or some special way to make it bootable ?

ultralisk, PM

do I need to emerge something to get portage to use svn?

thx ultralisk

what’s the diff in i686 and x86?

There are guides available for booting from a USB stick. Check gentoo.org/doc and gentoo-wiki.com

Gentoo 2007.0 Package CD ?

i686 will require a Pentium2 or better. x86 should work on a 386. otherwise, not much I believe.

bassinboy, i686 is more specefic

(Please note that gentoo-wiki is an unofficial, user-editable site)

x86

thkx AllenJB

Unless you don’t have a net connection, no you won’t need that disk. Gentoo by default gets everything from the Internet

humm..

is http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml up to date? Can i install the modular X with this HowTo?

ultralisk, check your private jvm hosting message list

i’m trying to get the latest libgphoto2 because it supports my webcam but it is blocked by udev-114 … is it safe to upgrade my udev?

You shouldn’t need to do anything. Any package that uses subversion should pull it in automatically.

the difference is mainly in the floating point instruction set available. yes, i686×86

AllenJB , so what i need ( i have 32 bit , connected to the internet and i want to install it on my hard driver ) ?

thanks railk

what would cause gentoo to have the boot-up terminal be unreadable?

I’d recommend the minimal install cd + a brain + the Gentoo Handbook (available on gentoo.org/doc – I recommend you read it through before you start)

can’t find vesafb-tng in kernel

AllenJB, that must not be my problem then.
what does it mean when something is masked by package.mask?

AllenJB , this is net install , i cant get the whole cd from the begining ? ( i have bad history with net install )

gnome-base/control-center-2.17.0 (is blocking gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.18.2)…what to do?

Yes, Gentoo is net install by default.

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

It means that a developer took a particular interest in making sure no one would be able to use that package. There is a known problem with it, and it should not be used for general testing.

why would a boot terminal start garbled, any ideas?

Found it

/msg mzbot faq package.mask
oops, sorry.. meant to /msg myself…

AllenJB , so i cant get “install cd” ?

i cant find apache-1.3

DrChandra is correct, and you shouldn’t emerge it unless you have a really, really good reason.

DrChandra, ah, well I have a bug with the current version of deluge. Someone in the forums told me that deluge-9999 fixes it, that is the only reason I need to upgrade. Can I unmask it?

it was removed from portage some time ago.

oh, thanks Skunky

Usually there is some sort of indication why the package is masked. Look in the CVS for the ebuild file. The checkin comment that masked the package might say something. There may also be a bug in the bugzilla for that package.

a package with a -9999 version usually means its pulled directly from the developer’s repository, so it could be in any state of stableness/buggyness

-9999 builds are usually CVS based, and are also usually hardmasked. They are too new to be supported at all in Gentoo. If you really want to use them, remove the hardmask.

gnome-base/control-center-2.17.0 (is blocking gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.18.2)…what to do?

railk, I know. But the current version IS buggy so I’m willing to try it because it could only get better.

you have to manually remove the 2.17.0 version first, and just hope you don’t need it until the newer version finishes installing

Don’t count on it. If the current Gentoo version is buggy, then the package developer is probably stuck waiting for an upstream fix to come out of -9999 as well.

With all those warning in mind, `man portage` and look for the section about package.unmask.

Hardmasking -9999 versions is a chaos containment measure.

hi guys. How do I get the gentoo 2007.0 logo and the hi-res terminal screens in gentoo?

and generally just good sense

ok thx

I want it to look like the minimal installation cd

esearch -c splash

Enabled vesafb-tng and added vga=792 but there is no difference

that’s all I have to type?

hint: splashutils and splash-themes-livecd
no that’ll find you the packages

ok

look in the gentoo wiki for a howto on setting up gentoo splash screens

Which version has the bug, btw?

cruxeternus, 0.5.4.1

22
skladjfjklsd

is there any way to have two overlays?

You can have as many as you like.

just more entries in make.conf

PORTDIR_OVERLAY=”path1 path2 path3 …”

ah

Do I have to emerge X11 or is it built into the tarball?

I set two of the same variable, and the last one overrides the first

On a new install

thanks

X11 does not come in Stage 3, if that’s what you’re asking. So yes, probably.

tstrimple, Tarball = core toolchain, etc. yes, you have to install any thing past the base

gentoo will have better preformance than xubuntu ?

If your Ubuntu is slow and you don’t know why, your Gentoo probably would be too. :/

lnx, The performance is largly up to how you build it/ config it.

whats the cmd to resume emerge -r?

obnauticus, –resume

That’s in `man emerge`, btw

fricken ran outa disk space

indeed
hehe

yeah when was the last time u looked throu emerges manpage?

….

its like a mile long

obnauticus, A few hours ago

“hmm, resume, resume.. what would I search for to find a command that resumed…”
man emerge

i was talking to smart guy cruxeternus

/resumeenter

madpinger , so why people told me that gentoo have better preformance thhan other secure linux web hosting dist ?

because they don’t know what they’re talking about. There’s a million reasons why gentoo is awesome, and none of them are “lol it runs fastor”

is there a way to know how many process python its ussing? (without top and ps)

cause it compiles everything from source, for your cpu/hardware architecture

lnx, Prob, since you are forced to config it at least some, in order to install it, instead of bloated defaults that exist to support hardware you dont even have, for example
yuppers

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

lnx The documentation such as the handbooks and gcc manual and *.example files explain in fairly good detail as to why you use each option. There are tools such as lspci choose kernel drivers etc. Read up, and you will understand why

ok this is the main question i have old pc did gentoo will help me to have better speed ? ( without any config of the system ) ?

sigh
anyone know if there is a sane way to get the latest (2.4.0) gphoto2?

lnx no. Nothing will with you putting effert into it in some form or fassion
blnx no. Nothing will with you putting effert into it in some form or fassion/b

what’s “old” in this context.

slaq, No ebuild ? You could make one or just build it from source, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Write_Ebuilds

and without config you won’t even get gentoo to run on any system (unless you’re using the livecd)

jamasi , 3.00 hz , 512 ram , geforce 5200 fx . . .

madpinger, hmm.. and how do i make the apps (gthumb, digikam) use my version of the library instead of the installed one?

lnx that’s not old, but fairly new.

slaq, Read the Howtoo, all so, answers to what/if/should etc are available from the source of that app, such as ./configure –help for that package

but gentoo is for those who want to tweak and learn.

jamasi , i have it 3 years , and the preformance are low

madpinger, hmm no, the question is, how do i tell portage about my version of the library?

performance of what? IO, games, numbercrunching?

i second jamasi, if you’re not going to tweak it, why use gentoo?

slaq, Try the Dev manual, http://gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml

if you emerge it portage will manage it, even if its your own custom ebuild

For goodness sake, what was the original command?

someones use cedega?

railk , i will tweak it but i also have tweaked ubuntu , suse and mandrive and i had low speed so im asking if i will install and tweak gentoo will i have a better speed ?

is there something wrong that ive been watching dd for about 24 hours now?
uis there something wrong that ive been watching dd for about 24 hours now?/u
??

is there a way to launch programs when the computer is on but im not using it?, for example leave a emerge as “pending” and when im gone for 30min start it

What was the full command you entered to run dd?

here.

railk, yes but there is a libgphoto2 in portage already, i need an overlay i guess?

your backup is still running? of those 48Gb or whatever you had?

GentooDude, u looked in ur /var/log/messages for infoations?
infromations

yes you need an overlay, and let portage use your version replace that other one

portage rocks,

if your hardware is configured OK you schould get quite good performance with gentoo (or some other optimized linux).
bif your hardware is configured OK you schould get quite good performance with gentoo (or some other optimized linux)./b

overlays aren’t hard and if the package follows the standard configure/make/make install then writing the ebuild is just as easy

ugh anybody have any idea why a boot-up terminal (non fb) would come up totally garbled

maybe you should add a little more RAM.
…. or faster hdd.

512mb ram should be plenty

1G would still be better.

of course
so would 2G

at least if you’re running gnome or kde.

2TB !

jamasi , i didnt get with other linux dist’s , and i know that i need to add alot of things but i have simply question did gentoo is by default faster than other dist suse , ubuntu and mandriva ?

lol

/mnt/wind/laptop/laptopbackup.dd.gz

ewwww

lnx Thats what I think your missing, There isn’t exactly a default….

There’s a whole lot of things wrong with that.

sda = laptop hard drive via usb which unfortunately is running at 1.1 i believe due to the fact that my usb roots are confused

by default you compile your code matching your cpu, so it might be a little bit faster.

I asked for help regarding this, and that is what i got.

but on the contrary you spend quite a lot of time compiling.

gentoo isnt about speed, its all about the possibility to customize and tweak.

I need to get a laptop out by today or tomorrow. i waited since 12 yesterday for it to return a new command line and still nothing. i need this backup so i can format it and get it OUT

madpinger , by default is when you are not changing nothing durring the install ( always click next next next .. . )

lnx There is no next to click….

So i wasted a whole day and a carton of cigs huh?

How big is /mnt/wind/laptop/laptopbackup.dd.gz and how big is your sda hard drive?

meh

and gentoo is not as straight forward as other linux-distris. as you actually have to read quite a lot of (very good) documentation.

whats up guys

the hdd is 60gb and i believe 40gb of it was filled.

you’re not running that dd command from the running system, are you?

lnx Read the handbook

i hooked it up viausb and i ran it from my gentoo box

I think I want to teach my linux box a new trick. Anyone got any interesting hardware/software projects going on?

Doesn’t matter… with dd if=/dev/sda, it’ll copy all 60GB. How big is the archive at the moment?

ok

should i just do an ls on it?

Sure, ls-ing it is harmless.

I just finished instaling gentoo on my laptop. It is bash only, but the console does not fill out the entire monitor. It is centered and fills out about half. What is wrong?

Ehnvis , you can costumize every linux .. .

indeed

not really, but i’m working on an embedded gentoo which has to fit inside 64MB of flash (diskonmodule) got a basic system down to 11MB and it uses 18MB of ram right now. but i’m trying to get it even smaller.

Ehnvis, Nice, Playing with a 64m version now my self,

4
20g i believe =X

you missed my point as gentoo takes it a step further than any other.

Ok, give me a minute to run some numbers.

sure, and thanks for helping me

will be my streaming server at work with a webinterface to controll mpd

Ehnvis , ok now i get what the talked aboout

wouldn’t it have been easier to use tar or something?

Ehnvis, I want to make mine a portable workstation, Using Fuse to mount remote dri’s to extend what it can do, Includeing nxclient

i was told not to.. i think kerframil and some other guys were helping me.

Ehnvis, my current project is unbricking a wrt54g v5 that some dumbass tried to install openWRT on

hmm sounds like an intresting idea. i’m just new to this embedded thing and still learning alot.

the situation is i got a laptop with a hard drive that needs formatting. i wanted a backup of it all prior to formatting to access in windows or gentoo wherever i be

I just have to get to radioshack and get a few resistors and a 12-pin header to make myself a JTAG cable

Ehnvis, Ya, My learning project as well, lol

btw, you won’t be able to access that backup anywhere.
What you’re doing is creating an archive of the raw disk image.

kerframil said it could be decompressed

Ok, well, maybe there’s some things I don’t know here. kerframil knows a lot more about this stuff than I do.

Idk, I’ve really had the urge to build something as of late… since I already took care of lirc, anyone got any other cool projects that I could try?

Did he have you do some tests first with dd to estimate performance?

anyone know whats up with udev 114? i lost my own udev rules i had setup to create symlinks for my usb devices

i really wished some one clarified all this prior to me executing that command. i should have had this done yesterday -.-
No.

Well, running the numbers… it takes ~12 hours to pull 60GB of data through a USB 1.1 connection.
Then, your computer has to gzip it

NeddySeagoon told me this as well

BUT, there may be a critical flaw with your command.. since you didn’t specify a block-size, it’s using the default of 4kB.

maybe its possible to mount that kind of image as a loop device?

0 in the

I’d like to confirm with kerframil first though, before telling you to kill it. It may not make a difference, for this application.

it should have been like 4K probably right

No, that’ll kill bandwidth, in an ATA-ATA scenario.. you’d want a BS=1M at least
But I don’t know if it’s different for a USB scenario or not
Depending on how the USB protocol works, it could be as fast as it would go with 4kB blocks

hmm .. does mkfs -j have some limitations by default ? ( like .. my 3T drive is formated as a 765G one .. )

im mtrying to install a system but i get an error with a particular file when i emerge -e system is there anyway to skip the file?

xplicit]: emerge –skipfirst –resume

xplicit], yes, it’s in the emerge manfile, look under resume

oh what to do

xplicit]: what error is it though?

Lemme talk to kerframil, and I’ll let you know if there’s anything new to suggest.

anyone know anything about device-mapper blocking udev?

is he around?

i’ve looked on google and can’t find anything

AHH!!!

nope, but probably unmerging device-mapper, emerging udev, then emerging device-mapper again will fix it

If I save an ebuild as an .ebuild file in doze, and transport it to windows, will ebuilds qmerge work

Keep in mind this isn’t exactly a Gentoo-specific question either… but I’ll do what I can to help.

seespotrun, emerge dos2unix

transport it to linux, rather

for newline fixes

what’s the probability of this ‘probably’ not biting me in the ass?

yeah i know what youre sayin.

i mean, i’m trying to download an ebuild in windows for use in linux (no direct ethernet) http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=117501

….i’d say 80% .. so it might be handy to have the livecd ready to go just in case

should I just copy that into notepad and save as .ebuild?

is there a way to know how many processor python its ussing? (without top and ps)

“pppoe-status: Link is attached to ppp0, but ppp0 is down”, what could be the problem ? anyone ?

you talking to kerframil somehow?

error is with python/fchksum 1.7.1 ans the errors a gcc-config error to do with i386 it dies with exit status 1

are your wondering about the filename or what?

hmm gateway notebook for $400 100gb, 1gb, 1.6 duo, dvd burner :O

I’m just wondering if that will work

yea, should work fine, you will have to digest it most likely

digest?

i need someone to hold my hand with grub

heh grub

xplicit]: what chost are you? and did you just change it?

if you follow this, you should be fine: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Installing_3rd_Party_Ebuilds

neeeeat! didn’t know that existed. thanks a million

np

ppl can someone help me with wpa_supplicant I’m using an adm8211 chipset card -Dwext driver I’m trying to connect but always give error disconnect event remove keys

erm im i686

ill never use dd again -_-

have you been able to connect to a WEP network or an unencrypted network? ie, do you know if its a wpa_supplicant issue or if it’s an adm8211 issue?

dd is a great tool… but like most low-level tools, it can be used… poorly

thanks a lot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_geometry

hi
make a typo want to know how to correct it please. the typo was ln -s linux-source-2.6.21 linux I missed the “i” out of linux and when i try to make the link agian it thinks it already exits how to make corect?

hi. where could i set environment variables that apply to every shell. I tried /etc/profile but somehow without effect
(and I did export the var)

/etc/environment ?

I’ll check it

as lnux-source-2.6.21 linux

rm linux

brb

thanks

!qotd0

i heard qotd161 is * asg sings the ‘My Little Pony’ song

mv; mv foo foo1

alredy done what hark suggeated

hello

for future reference, ‘ln -sf linux-source-2.6.21 linux’

I’m installing the debian testing 2nd of august release and it stops when trying to connect to a time server… anyone knows how to solve it?

That will silently overwrite the old link (or file, if there was a file and you for the syntax wrong

hello there

symlinks to “linux”, how very pre-Kbuild.

how come the ln accepted a nonexistent file to symlink to/from?

this is y2k calling and they want their makefiles back.

always did that IME
heh heh heh

hi

!tell root -about root

xingu, thank you bro, It worked

m-a prepare still does it

oke
how made a deb package ?

why on earth I failed to find this information on the web. The info, that env vars are set in /etc/environment. and no secure linux web hosting books mention it in connection with ENV vars
at least online books

pam_env.so is what does the magic.

heya

I think it always a problem sometims working with lenny

books are frequently dated; and there’s always more than one way to skin a feline with unix.

!lenny

lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about etch-lenny

! etch-lenny

xingu, well i tried one way – mentioned in books – and i failed. So there is not so many ways – it seems

in the etch timeframe, pam has suddenly become very, very feature rich.

forgot the

! etch-lenny

Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of ‘etch’ or ’stable’ to ‘lenny’. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about d-d-a) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you
should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade

xingu, ok, thank you. now i go . best regards

what do i need to fluxbox is it just baisc core + xorg+kdm for example
the bare mininum

{x,g,k}dm aren’t really needed. xorg + fluxbox will go fine

You don’t need a WM, either

thanks

nope
just run the xterm with nothing else ;p
or forgo x

I do.

or even turn the thing off

Hooray for console-setup, kbd and terminus-console

that’s really truly hardcore

Well yes

turning it off
i can code on my fingers
/quote
(no, not making fun of anyone, not my intent)

installed komander and kommander dev on fluxbox as I need komander-dev to ran a script but when i invoke kommander no such file or directory
kommander

try komtabtab

or dpkg -L kommander to find the binary

dude’s been joining/quitting most of the night

i have to have a hair of the dog

she’s really nice, doesn’t shed much, and smart

yeah, the isp’s tubes are prolly blocked from all the bots probing my server

hehe :/

thanks the list is a mile long

i am thinking of dropping the entire range

all the effing zombified windows and old RH 5.x hosts out there…
| grep bin
sometimes i do that, just too much crap coming in from some unallocated/rogue IP blocks
i hate having to do it sometimes…

anyone in london from here ?

command is

yes.

london where?

ahhh

dpkg -L

SlayerXP++ thanks

anywhere
lol
just wanted to ask who has bt broadband

not i

not me

all broadband is provided by BT

for some reason i think there is some stupid mistake on their router
i cannot dmz my machine

which router?

BT owns all the physical lines. You can choose from many ISPs for the actual service, though

schaaa

uh oh, mesof the drunk is back

where’s my money’!

ok thanks we have got /usr/bin/extrackmdr, /usr/bin/kmdr-plugins, /usr/bin/kmdr2po , /usr/bin/kmdr-executor, , /usr/bin/kmdr-editor

in your bank account

?

the bthomehyb

think about what you said and you’ll get it

hub

to shozzled

probably

Debianix, get a new router?

i have one, but my landloard owns the internet acess so he prefers to stay with what he knows

kick him in the nuts

i went reading on google, and i saw an article saying some of the routers might be locked
is that possible ?

are you a woman

^^

Debianix, just port foward 1-65535 to your machine

yep, 18yo blond, big boobs.

a) why does that matter? b) are you?

liable, cybersex?

no, i’m a wanted felon in 47 states

ahh let me try that then

you kck him in the nuts, IS NUTS REFERING TO TESTICLES?

a linux addict, what!?

yep

47 states of inebriation

have you never heard that before?

we know about cyber
okay, we’re just smart

yes but I did not understand as my first lanuage is not english it was just the NUTS part

little question, why do you capitalize nuts?

because he wants to

well t seems strange that nuts refering to testicles but I see the connection now a little slow

shouldnt you have fallen off your chair by now?

i always think of nuts as in cadberise fruit and nut chocolate

blow on him he’ll tip over

yes your linux coms have blown my mind, but really!

i wouldnt be surprised at all

any back kmdr lots of error messages because i only have fluxbox will not install kde for the sake of running kommander

english please

eugh~!

ok when I run mdr-executor lots of error mssages maybe I need to install kde which I will not do
kmdr

if kommander needed it, it should have installed it

if i log into my server via ssh and execute a process, ie. ftp some files. is there a way of leaving that process on, even after i have closed the shell ?

screen

aye ive heard of that

how can I change ownership of a symlink? with chown, i keep changing the ownershipp of what the symlink points to..

can you log back into the exact same shell with screen?

hats a good pint
thats

links dont have perms iirc
yup

screen -R -D

excellent
i think bitchx used a similar technology IIRC

check my away message /away 4eva!

it says in ls -l it’s owned by root, group root. but the target directory is owned by my username

Seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic…. how come?

bad odour, take a shower

subx, and hows that supposed to help me? lol

ah liable you don’t go in ##linux, that’s right

its mentioned in man chmod actually

ran kmdr-executor , error – no dialog given use –stdin option to read dialog from standard input

check the docs i guess

right
i just trying port forwarding 80 only
and it doesn’t work,
blehhhhhhhh

!java one-liner
….
no java oneliner?
!java

Java is Sun’s cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as ‘free-java-sdk’ for use with applications like
Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about install java, non-free.

!install java

or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you’re using etch/lenny/sid.

message the bot dude or we will have to lart you into next year

excuses me i’m running etch and i would like to install gnutella or limewire , i cant find both with aptitude search ?

non-free?

is there a special entry in source-list

do you have contrib and non-free in there?

yes

oh. thanks.

Hello, I have just installed spamassassin on my server hosting (which seems to be working well), however while in /etc/defaults/spamassassin CRON=1 when I take a look at the cron job (in /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin) I see that CRON=0
(which causes it to exit). Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?

i hate that router with passion

Hello

!qotd0

wow i didnt kno linux had an interface

!coco

added quotes 190 – 199 to the mix. Find them all, win a cookie!

chocky chip?

yes
hm, for some reason there are no qotd195 – qotd198, but 199 – 201 are there.

throw in a glass of milk and its a deal

jelly-home: make it a hash cookie and stoned will pee himself

hah

-ENOCAFE, time for refill

get me a damn eer while your at it
beer

beer? you can’t handle my beer.

maybe i have had enouf allready

milk would curb if sent overseas

you shouldn’t drink beer

Hey room

coco?

hey ttuuxxx!

lol nice nic room
so does this room have any windows?

it’s not a “real” room

do you have a Debian question?

i’m on xp but really like puppy linux

nope. like us nerd prefer, its a dank basement

!room

CHANNEL!

what do XP and Puppy have to do with debian?

rogue-: whats with the coco?

what do you mean?

anybody know if the latest iceweasal fixes some of its unstablity?

well puppy is kind of debian based, even that it was made from scratch

I run the latest iceweasel and it’s perfectly stable.

no, but it introduced some new instability

Seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic…. how come?

it can run .deb files

someone kick bell.ca

maybe you weren’t offtopic enough

what do you mean by “running” .deb files?

ask the ops there

rogue-, cool ill update so.

liable, how would i ask them if im banned? lol

query them

liable, i have no idea who the ops are

i think abrotmoo is one

my isp just send me a slammer worm on a rfc1918 ip address host via ppp0! wtf bell

check your status window (or whatever) for a list of names from #debian-offtopic

10.10.10.254!

huh?

for the last few weeks ive been tracking a packet from the net from 10.10.10.254 port 1434 udp, a slammer worm signature

is PPPoE in use anywhere?

i couldnt tell before through the switch, now with my ppp setup i know for sure its coming over pppoe
yes

we use it

check the ether headers – it might be a broadcast frame.

!ops Hey… listen up…. it seems that im banned from #debian-offtopic, could anyone explain me why? and hopefully unban me if its not a big deal…. thx in advance..

Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rvgate complains about: Hey… listen up…. it seems that im banned
from #debian-offtopic, could anyone explain me why? and hopefully unban me if its not a big deal…. thx in advance..

wrong ops dude..

with a slammer worm signature?!

gotta be someone also an op in offtopic..

entirely possible

maybe they did some scanning

jelly-home: for the last month?
every 2 days on the day

maybe they banned you because you’re lame lulz

I need to hide the apache string that appears when I run “curl -I www.mysite.com”

i can’t see it. private ip’s shouldnt ever come via my ppp imho

I setup this in apache config file

things to look out for; ethernet will obviously broadcast err broadcast frames regardless of content; and also, a ethernet switch will default to flooding a frame if there’s no cam entry for its target mac

anybody know why when i try to remove evolution, aptitude wants to remove everything asscioted with gnome

ServerSignature Off and ServerTokens Prod

ok

hi, we have been trying to setup a xerox docuprint 203a which connected to a d-link DP-303 print server but no success yet, any help please

rogue-: why would they discriminate based on physical disabilities?

-gnome-desktop-enviroment works good, but the next solution wants to remove gedit,gdm..etc

jelly-home: because nobody likes people with physical disabilities

what part of that involves debian

your missing something. 1) ITS 100% SLAMMER SIGNATURE 2) its Always the same port

datalink dependant sorry; unless they use switch firmware that gives you a discrete segment per customer (some metroE does) the defacto is sloppy ethernet enginearing.
IT DOESN@T MATTER.

i have that printer, it works in debian fine enough

dont feed me some bullshit as to why my isp is sending that

where’s the control panel in kde?

it’s possible to broadcast a frame that has slammer signature payload

anybody know why when i try to remove evolution, aptitude wants to remove everything asscioted with gnome

the printer is in a network and I’m having problem to set it up

oh, well stay ignorant then, spout off here instead! that’s sure to cure it.

why are you asking here, instead of asking your isp?

you need to unmark the gnome stuff as auto

do you mind to let me know the set up?

yes.

well, im open to reading about what you claim in url’s if you got any

connection, port, driver, etc.

my monitors kinda screwed, where’s the graphics options or control panel like thing?

you installed `gnome’, which pulled in evolution and everything else. Trying to remove evolution makes the `gnome’ metapackage uninstallable, causing it and everything it pulled in to be removed.

damn phone

jelly-home: isp didnt care last time I called. seen as you say “switch” with bell they pretty well hang up
s/seen/soon/

wtf? I’m reminding you how ethernet works and you want some ludicrous cite?
man, one grumpy bum today.

if it’s just gnome gnome-dsktop-environment etc, then that’s ok

change the isp.

do any of you guys keep your irssi session open with ’screen’ ?

yes

aye good idea

thats why this channel has ~600 users that never talk

so your saying that if I were to setup a vulnerable IIS server and forwarded that packet to my machine, I wouldnt get a slammer worm from my isp?

I have x86 board and I have installed debian on it but I want that when debian shutdown than it beeps how to do that?

i thought that might be because of bncs

whats bncs?

hey is it possible for someone to make a secure login pup file for puppy linux, thats what sucks about it, your automatically an admin user full time in puppy linux?

psybnc
irc proxy

I’m saying that ethernet switches will flood broadcast frames and also frames where the destintion MAC is not learnt (in CAM)
anything else you choose, in your current ill humour, to assume I’m saying is entirely up to you.

#puppylinux

so your suggesting that I am getting a packet that is left over from some oversized frame?

hark #pupplinux has no idea how to do it, so debian is like its big brother with all the know how.

the big brother thats about to pin you down and give you the typewriter!

ok, but i doubt you’ll get an answer here

no; a packet that is /either/ a broadcast frame (all 1’s dstaddr) and hence likely to be a below-the-radar *probe* – or – a unicast frame (!broadcast, !multicast) where the dst address has recently departed the broadcast domain you, and all your other local co-subscribers, share at the
headend.

night all

does anyone have a busybox linux based hosting services running somewhere (embedded system or other) who can give me a filelist of the system (find / output) ?

how do you explain the slammer worm payload?
random fluke?

there’s a slammer worm or below-the-radar probe on your same segment.

man busybox has the binaries
well, functions as they say

thats what sucks hark , if you can’t get the answers in the home forums or the irc and you try other places , you get nothing, to me all Linux users should be brothers and not brothers at arms, shit we have microsoft for that.

pppoe designs are *usually* implemented poorly because folk who understand ethernet are few and far between.

sounds like a serious security issue then if anyone dsl subscriber is able to forge 10.x.x.x ip’s and send them on the network

!be an ethernet barbie

editing config files by hand is so HARD!

they *usually* leak whatever crap is put on to the segment by the provider /or/ other subscribers regardless

not relevant you fool!

poor quality design leads to everyday lower prices.

Im guessing 10.10.10.254 is my modems internal ip. and more likely believe that a bell internal server is infected or scanning using real payload

the “modem” will be acting as a ethernet-to-whatever half-bridge as will its peer.

liable I need a filelist of a busybox distro

probably ethernet-to-ethernet-over-atm.

a half bridge? how do you “half-bridge” something?

it’ll re-radiate whatever crap the provider and spec permit; the provider is probably allowing anything local to be forwarded – per-packet inspection (verses straight forwarding) at the far end is expensive and a website design
challenge.

is that like double reverse vampires?

you wrap it up in a cuddly little header for a different media type and flick it across interfaces.

with those evil flying monkeys!

and do the inverse on the far end.

sounds just like tunneling to me

yeah, it probably would he says snidely.

almost like….pppoe!

I’m done, enjoy your problem.

i always love your explanations though
that always make so much sense

if you think that ppp is a media type you’ve got a lot to learn.

well thanks for nothing guys, must be nice to have the sunshine out of your asses, out of 732 people, no one could help someone who wanted to make a good distro a secure one, bunch of pricks

!customer

Another happy customer leaves the building

….

rogue-, but still this appears Server: Apache/1.3.37

debian uses gnome right, is there a control panel or a config file so i can adjust either the monitor aspect ratio or the graphics card settings?

jusae, gnome-display-properties (??)

Should I be running `unattended-upgrades’ instead of `cron-apt’ on my servers?
*my Etch servers.

why is apt-get install gcc installin 470k when the gcc people send out a 15meg file?

meta-package?
hrm, thats prolly not even right

gcc, g++. gcj, gcc-x.y etc etc… there are many package that come from the gcc source

gcc isn’t set properly

did someone install some sms solution and would have one to advise ?

grrrr at how much setting up and organisation is necessary

!b-e jusae

Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.

1)install build-essential 2) compile to you hearts content

thxs liable

sms as in text messaging?

yes

for some damn reason when i send ANYTHING from my shell to another box, my send speed gradualy drops to around 150 – 300k, no matter what i use, apache, scp, ftp, smb, etc…

for sending some alerts to oncall persons …

wireless?
i used to have a lynksys route that did that

liable, in this case yes.. but it has happend over wire before

i purchased 100,000 texts from 2sms.com , they have an xml interface for sending, i have perl scripts and a c# app to send the messages

liable, its been like this through sevral router revisions

ifconfig eth0 | grep errors

apt-cache search send sms

look for increasing error count.

xingu, on the box thtas sending or rcving ?

substitute eth0 with whatever your network interface is
on both.

k

tcp will respond to lost (ie, errored) frames by halving the window size (ie, halving bandwidth estimation)

ic
well ther eare errors on the sending box

wasn’t there a specific tcp window managing algo good for wireless?

The-Lab:/home/vyrus/torrents# ifconfig eth1 | grep errors
RX packets:4471451 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:6495423 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0

was thinking maybe something like gnokii or somethin’ else like maybe alamin

most common source of ethernet errors is duplex (half vs full) mismatch between NIC and hub/switch port

ic… anyway to detect which is which / fix the problem?

jelly-home: yes but you’d need to hat 802.11n speeds running in the neighbourhood of theoretical max before you saw much beneft *over* tweaking the 802.11[abg] datalink timers.
depends on hardware; either ethtool (new, blessed) or mii-tool
or possibly a module parameter; is the switch/hub managed? can you set its per-port settings ?
s/hat /have /

ic… so what im aiming for is detecting which duplex mode is on bolth the sending / recving system “system and router in this case” and setting them to match?

precisely.

ok.. thanx man
big help

if you look at your hub/switch you should see the error light jabbering away like mad too.

xingu, my switch is a consumer POS dlink
i dont even know if it has an “err” light

they don’t call them de-links for nothing.

hehe
yea my old moded wrt died so.. wacha gona do _
i have no other src of internet so, it was eather hit up frys and get some shit thing or have nothing

does using rdiff to do incremental backups of a block device with a filesystem on it [with a lvm snapshot] go down well?

*nod* you do what you gotta do; in this instance you ideally want to end up with everything source, sink, and both hub/switch ports agreeing that 100baseTX/ full-duplex is a good idea
providing it is in fact a switch; a hub will only ever run at half-duplex (it’s just an antenna).

xingu, its a router so.. a switch it is

never assume.

heh
xingu, well weather or not its a switch or a hub ( and due to sniffing and other forensics on my network as of late i think its a switch) its a consumer pice of crap, thats for sure _

if it claims to be 802.3u and isn’t, you can sue their arse is what I’m saying here.

excuse the stupid question, running a.out in bash?

jusae, what about it

command not found

chmod +x a.out

./a.out probably.

http://pastebin.ca/650937

thxs xingu

hello world!

woah, oldschool

thats original…
sorry, takes fsckin forever to dump that 1 packet from the massive capture file ;(

where does apt-mirror place the cvs tree?

xingu, btw awsome info on ethtool, this thing wins

if someone is running an a.out, you can almost gaurentee its a hello world program

cvs tree?

yeah, the source stuff
root/dev?

whatever directory you ran apt-get source in

apt-mirror not apt-get source

Hi, I have question, how can I convert the VCD to any other format ? mpg or avi or anything else

a.out as in their first manual gcc compile you mean? yea heh

ya

mencoder

i would imagint the apt-mirror docs would mention it

6 -T

the packages are downloaded to /var/spool/apt-mirror

it’s text mode?

see if you can generate a icmp unreachable response out of the fucker.

how are you? are you off today?

that mac is my router, thats an old capture though.

yes… and it has too many options for its own good ;(

yes, but i have a hangover

i’m installing it, i’ll try it

i only noticed the packet when i setup the dmz and it got forwarded with the rfc1918. i had to setup pppoe in linux just to verify it wasnt internal via spoofed arp

what does hangover mean?

err mac

hmm; in that case you’re a bit stuffed (yes, your router is acting as a ethernet-to-ppp-over-x half bridge)

drunk last night

good, enjoy your time, you deserve

but with linux as the router now, i caught the packet in the syslog, just didnt pcap it this time. it is coming via ppp0 not eth0 though

*nod* what happens if you configure an interface alias as 10.10.10.252 and ping .254 ?

yesterday before you sleep I wanted to say hi to you, But you didn’t answer

ie, not a ppp0 alias, an eth0 or whatever alias.

54 gig, its gonna take some time

goal is to generate an ether frame with that target IP address and see if it will resolve to arp who-has.

you mean alias eth0 as 10.10.10.252 and try send to eth0? or pp0?

eth0, then check your arp table afterward.

well, would have to be eth0 out then for arp

i may have been away from the computer, likely getting a beer from the fridge

i really wanna get codin, i can’t stop pacin, i’m gonna go for a walk

I install it, But it seems very diffecult to convert

hard to write stuff when your walking

if you get lucky, it’ll reply at layer3 and with the peer’s mac address; if you get unlucky, it’ll be dead at layer3 and your bridge will spoof arp.

nod

thxs guys, i’ll be back later, appricate the help

what are you doing?

But with liable, it might happen to write when you walking

nothing

graphics stuff

arp is still (unknown) ?

incomplete, but ya

are you downloading the entire debian mirror so you can do some development?

that’s about as far as you can take it from your end

the manual is very long, can you help me to conver my vcd to mpg for example

sorry… not off the top of my head. If you google for examples you’ll find some though.

get on abuse@provider’s case and tell them that you’re recieving unwanted traffic from their network – they probably won’t be able to sort it out but abuse@ will be resourced while helpdesk@ won’t.

yea yea, sorry for toruble

I only use it very occasionally so I have to rtfm every time I use it.

tell me about it. and bell doesnt care. They way i look at it, either a customer found a way to send “virii” over the bell network using impossible to believe private ip’s or one of bells windows servers is infacted or sending intentionall (and the later two would never get past phone support.
already tried)

abuse@ will have a line into 2nd-line-support@ too if they get enough complaints to warrant investigation (ie, ethernet tap at the headend)

yes

that sounds…. ummm… excessive….

i tried. first i tried via IE and their activex to talk with a tech. soon as I said i had a switch, the connection dropped with a RST! I tried like 4 times total and they just kept hanging on the web interface

yeah

if you were really keen you could buy a dsl modem that groks linux (speedtouch?) and join in the fun; subinterface on ppp0-over-atm, ping away

but a function here or there could be used else where

email abuse@
really.

hi! Is it possible to create in dovecot folders with national symbols?

next day I phoned and got a tech that understood what I was saying and did his best to get me to a tech. but eventually i just got some french guy in quebec or something that was for commercial tech support and he basically give me the, “check your settings, reset your modem” speel

if you can find them amongst all that. And if it’s in the right language. with the right licence.
bif you can find them amongst all that. And if it’s in the right language. with the right licence./b
google code search or koders are probably more useful….

what license
chuckin

as soon as it’s clear that it’s a residential complaint the chart says “divert to helpdesk @least-cost-option”
the only route which will work is the abuse@ email (potential) blackhole

you are downloading the source packages not the binaries too, aren’t you?

btw, sorry about earlier I know what you mean about broadcast to all ports without mac on a switch. but regardless, 10.X/192.168.X/172.16.x should never make it past their firewall on the router. whats worse, I even get 137’s off eth0 when I start up dhcp.

whatever apt-mirror comes with, plus i wanted to look at the cvs app stuff

to debug this the provider needs to configure an ethernet sniffer on the remote end where the pppoe concentrators are
that’s the thing; there is no “router” in the classic sense which is why this leaks like buggery
you have an underlying switched atm-over-whatever cloud; over the top of that is *bridged* ethernet-over-ppp

ya, i figure since I caught the ppp0 log this time I am sure (and grateful) it wasnt internal. but ppp0 suggests to me its coming from their servers (albeit nobody noticed too since its a slammer variant, and google only had _1_ single hit for it)

and over that is pppoe (which is why I asked if you were using it – it’s how I know)

if you just want cvs then just aptitude install cvs ? And if you’re starting a new project, then investigate something like svn or git instead.
(rather than using cvs)

the deal is you’re ~probably recieving the packet from the bridged-ethernet layer not the point-to-point encapsed pppoe layer.

why would it be getting recieved via ppp0 in that case then?

if they don’t packet filter the ethernet layer shit will happen; it is *hard* (complex, expensive) to filter (at line rate) at that layer

i could understand it coming through eth0, but my ppp ?

depends how dumb the headend is; it may turn any ethernet broadcast frame into a unicast ppp-o-e frame.

and btw… if you’re itching to get coding, then why don’t you just do so… you don’t need to download the entire debian archive before you can start coding….

this is guesswork right up to the point that abuse@ turns on an ethernet tap within the headend and debugs it.

well, as long as its local to bell im more at ease. originally i was concerned my box was accepting tunnels or something
well, should be fairly easy to debug with a packet log and a timeframe (every 2day’s ish)

it’ll be local to bell, possibly originated within that bell POP, possibly (through the mysteries of inter-concentrator-transit-ethernet port flooding behaviour) from another subscriber to that POP
yep; the missing link is – provider interest; if you were one of my customers the offending party would already be dark.

mind you, i honestly dont know what format to send the packet in. last thing i want is the packet triggering virus scanner in email, and if I used uu, im sure nobody but the high end tech’s would have a clue

tcpdump -nvvi with a http link to the actual capture

i guess i could go that way. was more wondering what packet proggy they use. either pcap of the MS format
guess i could use both though and send file beam

usually wireshark

i would hope so

I would take a 99% guess that abuse@ uses wireshark for analysis and netvcr for flow capture.

*sigh* now i gotta wait 2 more days to capture the new packet off the ppp0

is 2days your (own) pppoe session limit/lifetime?

no, about every 2 days the packet hits me

understand that, I’m playing probabilities for origin here

generally diff src port, and not exectly 48 hours. must be mass sending, thats why i assume every time it hits 10.10.10.254 (my internal bell ip??) i get it

if every 2days your own pppoe session goes lcp down it tells me something I don’t know about the bell subscriber profile in that POP
if the packet is turning up ${interval} ~= session lifetime, we go from there to a possible failure mode

and the funny thing? this isnt the only IP i was getting hit by. it started when I caught random 192.168 ip’s that I dont even have in use showing up in my logs. the 10.10 ip was what got me more curious
although i havent noticed and other ips other than 10.x yet. ill have to dig into the logs real quick

mencoder not help for the VCD

no, just the one 10.x so far since i switch to linux as router

hi

ie, if ppp concentrator session to the “real” endpoint of that flow goes dark periodically (predictable period), then the switch just north (to-core) of it will go from forwarding to flooding for that flow after the associated cam entry (for the destination ethernet bridging mac)
expires

whats odd, the 192.168 ip’s were to 5900 (vnc). and the 10’s are to slammer
err msql
wth is a cam entry?
i assume this all dslam lingo?

inverse of arp cache; mac to port cache.
no, ethernet lingo.

ahh
didnt know that had a name

for such a “simple” technology, it’s very, very poorly understood

well, i have a decent understanding, but clearly its not bulletproof far as acronyms go

hmmm…. perhaps transcode then….

ok i did as suggested installed etch basic core +xorg+fluxbox when i enter fluxbox on command line i get warning failed to open file /usr/share/fluxbox/nus/en.gb/fluxbox.cat error count’t connect to XServer

nb, don’t feel too special; my own (home) /dlsam/ sends me (I assume, everybody) all the crap it doesn’t have a specific atm pvc route for

csmacd/ca,arp and how switches can be failed open/closed are about my limits

thank you verymuch, I’ll check it out now

atm, theres where im clueless

know as andyp before

again it comes back to least cost engineering; per-packet inspection on the transit lan interconnecting the POP or, at the datalink layer leaving edge routers at the POP is expensive; so usually that layer leaks.

bliss, you start x using what method? startx?

some technologies are more or less prone; the /real/ metroE switches (ie, longreach ethernet) don’t leak; neither do docsis cable plant.

oops no I did not just ran fluxbox

http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode

i was gonna say, ive never had this on cable before

that’s because docsis has no segment; just point-to-point reserved bandwidth between you and the headend.
problem starts where the topology between subscriber and headend is point to multipoint.

i am in a live cd at the moment

if you ask me, it just seems like someone let slip a firewall rule or two

nothing to do with firewall, everything to do with layer2 (ptp vs ptmp)

almost seems like pppoe behind the scenes isnt much diff than ipsec tunnel mode

pppoe is just a neat way to introduce the concept of a “session” across a bridged datalink.
it’s required because few endpoints support 802.1x.

bliss, If you don’t use gdm – try startx from commandline once booted

ok i will as orinary user?

i suppose they need the session for authentication?

ordinary

yes

more particularly, accounting

ok se you later cannot do it from live cd

heh, ya ive noticed they seem very good at billing you down to the bit

this also not work, they talk nothing about VCD

hi, why does the ALT+some number combination used in MS Windows doesnt work in Linux to get the ascii codes of characters?

what about the bits that aren’t even addressed to you? (hint, here’s your in with abuse@)

heh, no doubt. of course you cant do much to prove anything. even if you packet log your entire time at an isp, your logs cant be used as anything beyond a rough estimate
and believe me, ive considered full logs of at least the headers to make use of all this space i got kickin around. my only concern is the overflows in tcpdump. but my understanding is the disectors don’t apply until you display to stdout

choir, preaching to; the only way to analyse flow data is treat it as an input to statistical sampling; if you want robust octet counts, you better be willing to reimplement x.25

x.25 that sounds familiar. that was switched network?

yep; store and forward hop by hop though
needless to say, implementing that at 2Gbps is expensive too.

i think anything on this scale is expensive no?

hi, what is exactly a” terminal” and what is exactly a “console” ?

not really; store and forward and high clockrates means deep and massively fast buffers; if you look at “modern” core fabric design it’s all about nonblocking fabric

google has a nice feature google for “define: console”
hmm, need a bit of punctuation there..

core fabric? as in switching fabric?

the bandwidth delay product of a 2Gbps core means you get to store a lot of data for a whole bunch of time to allow for retrans in the event of failure on a given segment along the path
it’s cheaper to do that once, at the endpoint, than everywhere (ie, line card level on each segment)
yep; the cloud in that IP-over-magic diagramme.

so the restrans is done by the switches in that case to avoid doing it at the ip level?

in x.25, yes; store-and-forward, hop by hop.
however you *do* get precise octet counts…

petemc, My doubt is based in that sometimes when people helps me tells me “open a terminal” or “open a console” and I dont know what they are meaning, i.e. when I press ctrl+alt+f1 what do I got? a terminal o console?

surprised they just dont trust the dsl modems to do the byte counts
not that an electrical engy couldnt fix that though

they’re kind of interchangeable, tho you would generally have people refering to opening a xterm or gnome terminal in X as a terminal window, and ctl alt f1 as console

they’re imprecise too; they can’t discriminate data plane from control plane at the network layer; so if unwanted datalink traffic recieved, or, vanishes in the to-provider direction at some hop along the path, you get error.

petemc, thanks

true, i suppose it really depends what you consider billable though. packet should at least make it to the isp permiter (right term?)

but where’s that? a wholesale leasee’s perimeter is wherever their DSLAM is – and the atm core might be discarding cells bound for it
on a per-pvc basis, you can’t really discriminate who’s they are

bah, glad im not in the isp business heh. almost as bad as trying to calculate bandwidth for http vhosts

“edge” is what the cisco coolaid drinkers use
MangosDebian:
statistical sampling is useful science but it’s never accurate; so bound the error and move on.

aye

and lets pretend that things like STP don’t exist and that you’re not getting billed for them

i better not be getting anything beyond standard tcp/ip to my ppp

nb even at the per device level this is an issue; octets recieved by the line card may not get a slot on the crossbar in time and may get discarded as a result.

hi, how do I disable the root connection via ssh?

theres a permitrootlogin option

crossbar?

so you wind up with input counts not agreeing with fabric flow counts not agreeing with output counts
a switch is not an antenna; the packet coming in is transformed into a cell, the dest datalink address is looked up in the forwarding engine, it asks the fabric controller for a slot on the fabric, then it punts the frame.
all of those operations are time constrained; some parts of the fabric buffer/retry, some don’t.

petemc, what file do I have to edit?

/etc/ssh/sshd_config

it’s like trying to pick up a fistful of mercury; it looks easy enough at first…

sec, gonna try abuse@ and security@. $5 says neither one work though

when you finally get hold of someone, you can point them at the rfc’s that say they are supposed to work…

that’s a bet I won’t take; your best hope is that there’s enough complaints to warrant escalation

lol, i doubt that will help. generally with bell you get a tech that can only go by whats on the screen

that’s why your complaint to abuse@ is so important; if you don’t add your weight, nothing changes.
they won’t investigate /your/ complaint though; they’ll eventually open up a master ticket for /all/ complaints.

Hello, I want to migrate a physycal machine to a vmware virtual machine, what is the best/ or what is the way to copy all files from physycal machine to a virtual machine?

interesting question; is it possible to mount the virtual machine’s disk image using a loopback mount?

not sure ;P, but is a good idea

qemu has utilities for converting between different disk formats for virtual machines which might help you in this

so it’s possibe to use dd image to convert to a vmware images?

ummm…. that I’m not sure about. I was thinking more that you could mount an image on loop and then convert to vmware format if needed.

Do you know the name please?

the command is qemu-img in the package qemu

qemu-img -f rawformat is dd I think

nice… another one to file away for a rainy day

Hello , how can I make the linux screen don’t go to blank screen (don’t do energy saving) , I want to plug the monitor and have the screen output without pressing a key

!screen blanking

rumour has it, screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via “xset -dpms”, xscreensaver, or your desktop environment’s screensaver controls.

thanks for the suggestion to run staartx that worked please forgive thenick

thanks

startx
have been know as andyp

how can i get apt-get to reinstall the /etc/ files for the package when i install it?

did you join the wrong channel?

no

i did the upgrade
now my imapd is broken

just that i am on a live cd and he default nick was ubuntu

intersting nick then to be running debian
ahh

hmm
imapd is working, but horde/imp isnt

wondering what the diffrence is between xorg and x-window-system-core, x-window-system?

hmm, so far no bounces to both addresses

abuse@ should never boune
+c

and whats worse, I attached the slammer and hotmail accepted it
it shouldn’t….but who knows

thanks for your help with LUKS and lvm last friday

does anyone have any clue? i really need the original /etc/ files for this package, –reinstall and dpkh-reconfigure don’t replace them

hotmail accepts mail but doesn’t deliver it…

i helped you? don’t recall the nick. oh well, np

think it was andyp

http://hubpages.com/hub/Hotmail_Fails_To_Deliver_Up_To_81_Of_All_Attachment_Emails

it’s just a transitional package (for sarge upgrades)

heh, well they better deliver this. sympatico uses MSN premium.

hmm
it seems as though nothing on my system is getting logged
if i start bind
it wont log to anything in /var/log

ahh, i know that nick. i assume that you were just using the wrong lvm dev or something?

what is the transitional package

i think i read that off dig other week actually

did a re-install its ok now

the x-window-* packages

yeah, it’s been around the block a few times recently

so xorg and x-windows are more or less the same

thats usually the easiest. but from i can recall, you already had everything mounted. was just a matter of finding which lv had your data. thus the vgdisplay -v
heh ya, ive noticed that with digg

apt-cache depends packagename ; apt-cache show packagename

yes but also I was runing lenny which was not a good idea , not just now anyway

well, can’t say anything about lenny since I dont use it, but I dont know if that had anything to do with it. oh well, least your up and running now

yep
just a simple version but I think i know what you mean
ok i see what you mean
what if its a tar ball like vmware?
vmware needs these apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` libx11-6 libx11-dev x-window-system-core x-window-system xspecs libxtst6 psmisc build-essential so would xorg cover the windows packages?

I am planning a new file server in our domain, which is active directory based (windows server 2003). I am also considering linux implementation, the question is, will a linux distribution with ACL be able to seemlessly integrate into windows server domain (verify access against the domain
controller)?

yes
however ACLs and samba may not be 100% working

samba can be a pdc or bdc

pdc/bdc aren’t relevant to AD, but samba can be a domain member

aptitude install build-essential xorg linux-heades-`uname -r`

thanks

what do you mean by ACLs and samba may not be 100% working?

ahh yes….. misread that bit.

we have samba servers here, and the acls don’t work properly… you can view them but not modify via samba/windows

mmm that is not particulary good, anyway thanks for the info…

it may be better in latest samba, ask #samba
also we’re using ufs on solaris, not ext3 on linux

stupid question, let’s say in inittab i have ’sysinit’ to ‘/etc/rcS’ and ‘initdefault’ to runlevel 2, what does init do at boot? /etc/rcS than goes directly to runlevel 2, or /etc/rcS than runlevel 1 than runlevel 2, or … ?
bstupid question, let’s say in inittab i have ’sysinit’ to ‘/etc/rcS’ and ‘initdefault’ to runlevel 2, what does init do at boot? /etc/rcS than goes directly to runlevel 2, or /etc/rcS than runlevel 1 than runlevel 2, or … ?/b

hello, when compile a kernel with Celeron D, which processor type shall I choose ?

pentium4

Skunky, oh, thank you !

What distro of gentoo do you like more??

thanks

distro of gentoo?

Sorry i have Sabayon

sabayon is not gentoo.

gentoo-sparc.

so they use gentoo
is no good?

we don’t support it or discuss it here. go to #sabayon if you want support.

ok, so is diferent?
i need to know about emerge

hah

What is sabayon?

what did I just say? #saybayon

google it.

the gentoo people are resentful

#gentoo is not #sabayon

HAHA

Hey hold on

i laugh at the number of people that act like they own the place

i am trying to learn about gentoo

Thank-you LadyNikon, I shall do that. You’ve been very helpful.

as you can see there is a bit of hostility about talking about it.. saybayon uses gentoos portage system but isnt really gentoo

sabayon developers have actually told those with problems as the Gentoo people, as they refuse to provide support

if you want to learn more about gentoo i suggest downloading a copy of gentoo then you can talk about it here

*to ask

no, really. we don’t support you. you want gentoo, get the real thing.

Ok where can i download, but not by torrent
?

lol

download what?

gentoo.org

www.gentoo.org get gentoo is the link

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml

what is the meaning of life
?

Hey thanks

installing and runnin gentoo
no problem

42

what makes muslims so damn grouchy

#politics

actually i know the answer to that

TwizzTid, please have respect to other ppl in here

autorejoin kills kittens.

simple as that

twisted`: same thing that makes non-muslims so damn grouchy, no doubt :p

wow
how rude

don’t feed, please.

(cheap ice cream)
xchattabcompletion–
http://mirror.utdlug.org/linux/distributions/gentoo/

um. you can change that, you know.

did anybody see my last msg
the long rant

I could, but it’d make it worse

because i should have been kickbanned by now if it showed up

hi

.ignore ladynikon

‘lo zet

its /ignore

here ill post it again

howso?

they cant have sex or jack off and they live in sand and then we go in their countries and act like we own them and are better then them, so their sexual urges make them pissed off and spiteful and the sand in their assholes is the last straw and they take it out on us
bthey cant have sex or jack off and they live in sand and then we go in their countries and act like we own them and are better then them, so their sexual urges make them pissed off and spiteful and the sand in their assholes is the last straw and they take it out on us/b

just ban him for goddess sake

how do i add a section for my graphik device to the xorg.conf?

woohoo goddeses

hush

like, on the atomic level?

anyone from sweden around?

gentoo Zeti xorg config

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

#gentoo-se ?

um. sure.

well, totally off-topic, but would need help to translate a sentence

gentoo + ravioli + bass breaks = a good morning

oh man does that sound good

must… get.. irc… client… with… working ignore functionality… *sigh*

#linguistics

I just can seem to get it… thanks for the help anyways everyone

yourdictionary.com
hrmmm, never done ravioli with bass breaks

you never posted me the exact message

I hate windows but….maybe I will be forced to just go back to it for now

bah

mind a ctcp version?

nonsense!

windows is never the right answer.

http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
lol

no

What’s a bad OS?

‘Miranda-IM on win32′

winBLOWS

the error message

ohhhh

topic everyone

i wanna see the error message

XOFF ignored, mumble mumble

/join #xchat and check the /topic for the link to the win32 builds

you were telling me what was wrong with changing xchat’s tab completion.

thats what it says exactly

it’d be worse if I changed it

cause i have never heard of that before

but, WHY?

because last-spoke is the best XChat’s got, IMO

ever heard of seeing mumble mumble in an error message?

…dunno

mumble mumble in an error message implies that the dev was concentrating on something more important than error messages, and planned to get back to it later… time to dig in the code and find out what the error really is!

ah

i know this isn’t an issue with gentoo, but is anyone able to tell me why when i open an audio file (ie mp3 or flac) whatever player i open it in crashes? but when i open an mp4 video (ie asdf.mp4) it works fine?

thats a lil lazy heh

(and submit a patch!)

LadyNikon, i have AMD Opteron, i wanna download Gentoo to 64bits. what it means ia64?

codec not installed for it?
that i dont kow sorry

probably because both your mp3 and flac libs are busted

you want amd64, not ia64

or just your sound in general
? alsa guide

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml

I just can’t figure out why mirror select tool does not save it for me.

ia64 was intel’s itanium line of processors

amd64 is the one you should use. Also, x86 will work happily on that processor if you’re not overly attached to using the 64 bit capability

congrats you may have found a bug.

thermodynamics44, amd64, and make sure you read the handbook and not to use the installer if you want to really understand gentoo

amen to that

ok, well, what would be better?

ok, i have 2 questions

teach mjrosenb ask

Just ask, don’t ask to ask, don’t ask who’s familiar. Don’t ask if anyone knows about it. Just ask the question, it’s the easiest way to get people to answer

could be either…

last-spoke that factors in frequency, I s’pose

any idea on how to check?
my sound works fine for other stuff…

did you ever follow the ALSA guide?

where is the “mumble mumble” error coming from? I missed the beginning of that thread…

why does ncurses have ada support? why is there not a use flag for ada support if the ada bindings fail to compile
thanks

does anyknow if the cjk herd has and irc channel ?

1 because 2 because you haven’t added a patch for it
!herd cjk

(cjk) hattya, jmglov, liquidx, matsuu, nigoro, pclouds, usata

Heeey Guys Thank you, i will see, the site is really atractive, and im going to read a bit right now…. Thanks for the advice.,,

I think #gentoo-ja is probably your best bet
at least two in the herd are there now

thanks

in weird error messages its should say that ” congrats user! you may have just found a bug”

how do I find out which hardware monitoring support to add to the kernel?

wiki mythtv hardware sensors

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Sensors

hey can someone tell me what ctrl+d gets translated into by the vterm/shell ?

uh… xchat is commercial software? ugh!!!

um. INTR?

EOF

yeah winblows xchat is pay heh

no

mjrosenb, sure?

only the windows one. (:

one distribution out of many Windows distributions of XChat is commercial
/join #xchat, /topic

pretty sure

or you could just type /topic #freenode in your server window
at least that works in irssi.
s/#freenode/#xchat

mjrosenb, what is EOF in hex? 0×7 ?

there’s a free version of xchat available to windows too

there’re free versions

err, it doesn’t get translated into any character; whatever is polling from stdin just stops reading because it thinks it’s the end of the file

Adobe Reader starts realy late on my system. Anyone else has the same problem ?

same here
how much ram you got ?
adobe reader 7 is just slow

linex, I think the whole world had that problem, regardless of platform. Adobe Reader is slow by design

if it’s anything like the windows version, you should be able to disable a lot of plugins you don’t need to speed up time

IG
I got 1 Gig
So its not my system. Its ok them

there are numerous howtos online for speading up acroread load time

SonicGB, do you know the link where i can download by http of Ftp the DVD Iso ?

are there ?

read last

for gentoo ?

you don’t need a DVD :p

read last what ?

which architecture do you want? are you going to use x86 or amd64?

amd

acroread is acroread – Gentoo doesn’t get a special version

64

read last what ?

hold on

go to here: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml and click the ‘amd64′ link under “Gentoo 2007.0 Minimal CD/Install CD”

SonicGB, there’s another a little bit down, that says DVD iso of 3.7G… but only in torrent,

is bittorrent a problem?

thermodynamics44, provinding you’ve got a decent internet connection, you don’t need the whole distro, just the minimal install cd

mjrosenb, ha, k, i’m convinced now. thanks

Is so slow sometimes the torrents, my conecctions is 1.3mb/s

and the minimal install cd’s are like 50 mb

wooww

thermodynamics44, you’ll download the various bits you need as you proceed through the install procedure in the handbook. As others have already said, it’s preferable to go through the (initial) pain of the manual install if you want to learn the ins and outs of gentoo thoroughly (as opposed
to the installer)

any expert on acpi that can answer a question about a laptop in the channel?

ok LOL

mjrosenb, I tried an installer once… it didn’t work…!

just ask

mjrosenb, the other time I tried an installer I ended up with ubuntu… it dirtied up my disk and I had to format/reinstall

i have an xps gen. 2 laptop and gentoo 2007 loaded, when i close the lid and open it the screen wont turn back on
no matter what key combo I hit. It’s no frozen as I can still ssh to it and reboot it with commands

is this in X?

in or out

I definitely understand why gnome isn’t part of a standard gentoo install

i installed ubuntu once. the reformatting part afterwards was alot of fun

I was able to get MS Office working on Ubuntu faster than iunstalling Gnome is taking

can you get the display back with xset or vbetool?

may I pm?

uhh sure

mjrosenb, why the insults?

for me, the most ‘fun’ part of ubuntu was #ubuntu… I’ve never met a nastier bunch of people on irc!

because gnome is horibly bloated and slow

it’d be hilarious if you now ended that with “use KDE!”
what about the gnome-light package?

slackware doesn’t come with gnome anymore, too much hassle

sonicGB, why’s that?

$i& done”

heh

if you like the look of Gnome, but want something that emerges in 5 minutes, there’s always xfce

sonicGB, I find ubuntu and gentoo channels to both be incredibly helpful

I just had some really really bad experiences is all… gentooians are much nicer and much less political

well, I’m using a blend. the kde meta ebuilds allow me to have kicker, kdm and kdesktop, without anything else, and beryl as a wm.

I’ve had bad experiences in both

and it runs fine with 256MB RAM =p

but 99% of the time it’s good
on both

if you want to install something within 5 minutes you don’t use gentoo

lol

unless you start talking about WM’s

pfft.

or editors

anyway, I’m gonna watch some porn, then give more cpu over to my gentoo/gnome install
ttyal

I was wondering. ctrl-z’ing an emerge. is it 100% safe? or is there any chance it’ll freeze the program while it’s doing something important and stuff like the filesystem will be left inconsistent will happen?

gotta admire MTecknology… he’s been persisting all day with various hurdles in his new install

i’ve tried xset but what’s the vbetool

you have 256 mb ram, and a graphics card that can handle beryl?

nvidia geforce 4 ti

no

Description: Run real-mode video BIOS code to alter hardware state (i.e. reinitialize video card)

I was amazed at the simplicity of just ctrl-z’ing a long emerge like qt and dedicating CPU to other whores like java momentarily

see man nice, or the portage NICENESS variable

could someone tell me how to find out which keyword is missing when attempting to emerge something?

yeah

you could also renice it to something absurd

I usually nice 17 it
but when I forget and also forget renice, ctrl-z is useful =p

how do i completely unmerge kdebase-meta so i can rebuild it having no dependencies already present?

eix will tell you

mjrosenb, will I need to know specific commands to do this?

usually it will be ~arch

mjrosenb, i’ve tried dpms but that didnt work

emerge -e will do something similar
hrmm, have you set your lappy up to do anything special when you close the lid?

mjrosenb, not at all, also i havent seen any acpi event even when the cord is unplugged

emerge -e?
i did emerge –unmerge kdebase-meta
will that do it
apparently not

no, unmerging the metapackage will do more or less nothing

the /usr/kde folder still exist
;/

you could probably do it with a small shell script

what emerge -e do?
ok
what should the script say

but unmerging ALL dependencies will do horrible horrible things

;/
i really want kde back
;/

emerge -e just pretends that you don’t have anything in the dependency tree installed, and reinstalls everything

ok
i hope this works then

isn’t there some kind of kde-bin you can emerge as a pre-built package?

does emerge -e mess up if you do multiple packages mjrosenb ?

I can’t imagine that it would

ok
i’m running emerge -e with kdebase-meta
emerge -e kdebase-meta
thanks mjrosenb

hello guys

yay 754 packages to go

anyone here using kde4 alpha on gentoo ?

and i’m at work 9 to 7 tomorrow so it’ll be done by the time i get home hopefully

man i cant identify my cpu

kde4 looked pretty good

cat /proc/cpuinfo

but i don’t like dolphin
at least the current stable
when kde4 comes out i’m sticking with konqueror for file manager

like it would be so easy
that shows me 2 cpus !!!

you have a processor with hyperthreading?

i think yes. i am not 100% sure but i think it is a prescott
its here at work

i prefer gnome and dislike gnome..
kde*

emerge -e is great
i perfer kde and dislike gnome
and xfce

yeah, so a p4 with ht will show up as 2 processors

aaaa

my favs are twm and icewm and kde

thanx

icewm works great on my bro’s old computer

there is another java server hosting here … but i think that is real MP

where he only uses firefox and pidgin

how can i be sure … besides disassembling it ?

wait, twm, icewm and kde?

those are my favourite window managers (kwin on kde)
i only have twm and kde installed on this
kde runs really fast on my amd turion 64 2GHz

15
2
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz

that’s not saying a whole lot

i havent tried an optimised gnome

saying

and i have 2 of those in my /proc/cpuinfo … is that real mp or dualcore ? or ht ? can anyone tell me that ?

just rather strange combination

pentium 4 with hypertreading..

twm is amazing to me

kexman, ht

ht ? 100% ?

it’s really basic, most people wouldnt get how to use it imo

better tham wmii?

i havent tried that one yigal

F. i tought its real mp or at least dualcore

ive only tried fluxbox, xfce, kde, gnome, kwin and icewm
and twm

but how can you be so sure its ht ?

i like my ion3. it runs great on a 100 mhz box

dual core wasn’t released until 65nm pentium D and core2duo

oh, try ratpoison, and wmii then you will have tried almost everything

aha

pentium4’s don’t come in mp either ..only xeon

ok

but can i use HT as i would use an SMP ?

is ratpoison basic?

no

the old xeon are also MP + HT so you would have 4 logical CPU’s

so a xeon would tell me if its a xeon ??

how is wmii?

sort of, but not really

YES

if you like twm you will like it

ok cool
for those situations when i dont want to run full-blown kde

well the gentoo livecd is using this cpu as an SMP

it is a bit more keyboard intensive

so why cant i use it as an smp ?

what?!

well
sleep
this laptop has been on for like a week

I can’t compile ncurses 5.6… this is the whole output from my emerge http://rafb.net/p/XtJGUX35.html There’s a thread I found on google about the same “bug”… http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.ncurses.bugs/2746 Does anybody think it’s safe to unmerge ncurses to see if all that needs to be done is for me to have it “installed” instead of upgraded?

use the cpu as i would use an SMP … btw last time i booted that machine the intel logo was telling me something about multiprocessor motherboard !!!

is that the ada part of it failing to compile?

i’m so glad this new kernel works great with my usb keyboard and usb mouse
the kubuntu 7.04 kernel gives status -32 errors

man whatever look in wiki

use kernels from kernel.org

The first link is the console output from emerge ncurses… the second link is a reference to a similar complaint, I found on google.

was that for me ?

yes

But ada? I don’t know, I just see it’s hardscroll.o

i was trying to avoid opening a new link

what’s this: -pg and -fomit-frame-pointer are incompatible
-pg and -fomit-frame-pointer are incompatible

wait
that just looks like your use flags are screwing with it

I’ve had the same CFLAGS=”-O2 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer” forever..

what’s -pg though?

LOOK AT THE ERROR MESSAGE
-pg and -fomit-frame-pointer are incompatible
it gives profiling info

remove the debug USE flag and try reemerging again
just a guess

my problems with ncurses are slightly more annoying

friendly12345: I don’t have the debug use flag set. BTW, here’s my emerge –info http://rafb.net/p/PbUDC544.html
Why is “profile%*” there as a USE flag?

dexit
exit
oops

could someone tell me how to find out which keyword is missing when attempting to emerge something? I used eix -e “packagename” and it gave me !version, but that just says that it is maksed by missing keyword. What is that keyword??

You probably just need to add something like “media-video/mplayer ~x86″ to your /etc/portage/package.keywords file.

are you running unstable?

what’s your profile?

2007.0

but i’m actually running amd64 kernel…
i’m not sure… to be quite honest…
i’m a n00b to gentoo… but pretty good with other linuxes…. (ie debian, etc)

What do you have for ACCEPT_KEYWORDS in your /etc/make.conf?

just for testing purposes, remove -omitframe pointer from your cflags and try and emerge again. If it works, file a bug

okie dokie

mzbot, gentoo Demonic_ masked packages

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-hppa.xml?part=3&chap=3

disregard that

aswingandamiss

actual that link was correct
*actually

but why did it give a page from the hppa handbook?

dunno, ask mzbot
shocking
thanks

you’re welcome

sorry… ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=”~amd64″

You do NOT have to have all testing packages just to get a testing version of a single package
see the handbook link

yeah, tell ‘em

so if you have that already, chances are you don’t want to install somethign that you don’t have the right keywords

I got slapped a couple of hours ago for telling someone to set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line prior to emerging a single specific ebuild!

and rightly so!

ok, so now I’m officially confused. What’s the difference between what you just said and what I just said?
(and what the man page says!)

there’s the file /etc/portage/package.keyword[s]

as a general rule, shouldn’t set anything on the command line just before an emerge

yup, I’m aware of that

the same reason why you don’t see USE flags this way as well

gnah. why does the ncurses build system make me want to cry

*set
did that work?

That compile host is still in progress.

but… but… the man page! section on masked packages… set ‘ACCEPT_KEYWORDS’ if you “know what you’re doing”

it’s valid, but that doesn’t mean most people should use it on a normal basis

fucking == fscking on unix-like systems.. anyone agree with me ?

ok, so I can do it.. but just don’t admit to it in public?

language.

i believe that this has been noted in the past

yes
I use XFS so I don’t see any fscking, except for /boot
which is ext

mjrosenb, i am the author of this note
i will google for it

strickly speaking, ‘fscking’ would be ‘unf**king’ if anything…

enough.

mjrosenb, i can’t find anything ?

what version of ncurses?

5.6-r2

equery uses ncurses

And you’re a genius by the way… it completed successfully.

I don’t have that problem, and I have omitframe pointer as well

wtf, mine dies with gnatmake not found
didn’t you say something about a profile use flag?

Thanks for finding that… I suppose I can turn -fomitframpointer back on now, eh?

yes, on an emerge -N though….

I have the profile use flag enabled…

my USE flags for this are: USE=”gpm unicode -bootstrap -build -debug -doc -minimal -nocxx -profile -trace
equery uses ncurses
or emerge -pv ncurses

Here we have +doc +gpm +profie +unicode… which is like yours but along with doc and profile.
How did you figure it was the CFLAG? Was is from the “-pg” complaint of the compiler?

yes

yes, seems like either +doc or +profile is enabling -gc on gcc

it’s also the +profile. if you remove that, then you can add in -fomit-frame-pointer

my guess is it’s +profile
what does the profile USE flag actually do again?

my guess too

Why would profile% be in yellow ? while doing and emerge ncurses -pv
Adds profile support to builds of packages (will likely vary from ebuild to ebuild in support)

new USE flag, if I remember correctly
for that particular package

Ah

anyone else have a more in depth explanation of what the profile USE flag does?

Well, now that we’re past that… I have to figure out why X is reporting 64 meg of VideoRAM when the VGA Controller has 16M of non-prefetchable memory and 128M of prefetchable memory…

I was going to say the Option “VideoRam” under the Device section of xorg.conf, but don’t think that would be right

I tried that too because I was thinking that’s where it should go…

does anyone have gnatmake?

How should I read the xorg-docs? They are in *.sgml.bz2… what’s a good sgml reader?

Chicago less can’t open it?

bzless can… but it has markup.

less can see inside bzip

DTD DocBook V4.2 ….

not less per se

Do you think because the VGA Controller has 2 ports, that for some reason X might think 1 of them only gets/needs 64M? (because it has 16M + 128M)

wouldn’t think so
there’s also the LinearAlloc variable
for certain Intel controllers

I didn’t see LinearAlloc, where is it?

Hi! Which package provides /usr/lib/pkgconfig/poppler-glib.pc ? Not app-text/poppler, apparently. I checked both equery f and USE flags – nothing glib-related.

Option “LinearAlloc” “integer” Allows more memory for the offscreen allocator. This usually helps in situations where HDTV movies are required to play but not enough offscreen memory is usually available. Set this to 8160 for upto
1920×1080 HDTV support. Default 0KB (off).
see man i810
although may not be the problem

I left intel-agp module out of the kernel entirely as well as agpgart, because NVIDIA Linux Kernel Driver can do it on my Intel 845G (Brookdale)

are you missing that file?

Apparently, poppler is compiled with –disable-glib for some reason, and there’s no USE flag to compile it otherwise.
I mean –disable-poppler-glib
…. so I butchered the ebuild … lessee if it compiles …

i’m in the process of butchering the ncurses ebuild

Here’s to butchers …
Compiled …

hrmm, it looks like there are hacks in here for abi compatibility

What package can I use to cut mp3s and paste others together? To make mixes for dancing and whatnot?

ner0x, audacity, though I’ve never gotten it to work.

dawn`chorus: Hm… Any GUI programs?

I have a PCMCIA card and pcmciautils installed. When I insert the card, it recognises it but doesn’t actually load the drivers. I forced them in the PCMCIA config but to no avail, can I bind a driver to the card using any program?

audacity is a GUI program.

I’d need an application to play an internet radio from command line without any kind of GUI. What should be my choice?

mplayer

/me checks it out.

mplayer

That’ll be it then. Thankies.

irc is multiplayer notepad

ner0x, that’s the only thing I boot into Windows for.

anyone here using Compiz-Fusion? I am unable to compile the system completely because of an error due to timestamps of the source code files being in the futre. Anyone know a fix?

stop timetravelling

lol

wine comes with notepad

DrEeevil, hehe

dawn`chorus: Hm… that’s not very handy now is it. lol

Avantopia, make sure your system date is correct and/or retouch the files..

did you have an NFS root or something where your timestamps were different than on the computer your were installing to?

ner0x, tried my darnedest to get Acid Pro going using wine, but to no avail.

eix says thunderbird 2.0.0.4 is available to install.. how come emerge -uavND world doesn’t show it?

it’s masked
err, that was a question. . .

heh, no, its not

Loplin, is thunderbird in world?

loops, I did, my date is correct and set by NTP. I would not know the exact command to run on the /usr/portage/distfiles/git-src/compiz* files
Chicago, no, thanks for the help though.

once something is emerged, it is automatically added to world isn’t it? if not, how can I check?

find . -type f | xargs touch
assuming you’re sitting in the correct directory

mjrosenb is right, that’ll do it, but you really shouldn’t need to if you’re emerging the package

Loplin, take a look at /var/lib/portage/world

less /var/lib/portage/world

dawn`chorus: Kinda horrible. You would think there was something more reliable for linux.

I guess it is not there

i’ve heard manually editing /var/lib/portage/world is bad. . is there any better way of removing a package from world?

thanks

mjrosenb, find . -type f | xargs touch ; was for me?

mjrosenb, emerge -C ?:p

Avantopia, yes.. that will retouch all the files..

loops, I need to change the timestamps on these files… what is the best way to recursively do this for many compiz directories?

yes

loops, k
mjrosenb, THX

ner0x, we may just have to collaborate and create one. !

dawn`chorus: I know c++ and can make a mean qt GUI, if you know anything about music we’re good!

wtf, gnatmake is a ghost-binary

ner0x, check out Ardour, http://ardour.org/

it’s not on my path or root’s path, but it gets run in the course of emerging ncurses
you may want to add the pro-audio overlay

hi does anyone know how to install css to work with php?
o gentoo?

that’s not a gentoo question. CSS is a clientside thing

I think you just need to pass the text/css headers with the documents.

on

#css or #html

w3school.com or something

ok

ner0x, i know how to mix beats. that’s about it.

w3schools are crap

/
used it as a quick refresh into php

Pro audio overlay? They have one? Do you know which programs it includes?

it’d at least show how to incorperate css into a webdoc
“

ner0x, it’ll be JACK and friends…

lots of ebuilds. . .alot of newer versions of things that are in portage

6 is 22787.39932 s in the
running the command did not help.

What is that about 6 hours?

Avantopia, try… touch src/wall/wall.c

loops, k… but you see it is already 2007-07-10 on my machine!!

right.
hmm

0 CDT 2007 in
Do you run ntp-client?

Chicago, yes

you know that ntp won’t sync if the clock is off by for than 30 minutes, right?

mjrosenb, I didn’t know that.

I’m writing an ebuild. How do i specify how many levels of path it needs to strip off when it runs patch?
like you’d pass -p4 and stuff to it usually
but with epatch?

mjrosenb, how do I check if this is the case? If it is what can I do to fix this?

what profile am i suppose to use for a x86 arch?

cannot open directory `live/compile/%%196′: Permission denied ??

Avantopia, you can use “rdate -s server” to force your clock to sync with ntp server.. but i don’t think that has anything to do with the problem you’re seeing

I’m not sure about gentoo, but IIRC, the default start script for ntpd executes ntpdate first to set the clock to something sensible, then starts ntpd to keep it sensible

2006.1 and 2007.0 are about the same on gentoo for x86 right now, there’s no reason to avoid 2007.0

Chicago, ok I know the path but whawt file name
ln -snf /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2007.0/profile name? what do I put in profile name
desktop?

desktop is good for desktops

ok

can anyone access http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/ ?

well thats not a file its a sub directory

im getting sick to death of IE

Jarda so I just put desktop at the end?

yes, I can load it… takes quite a while though (15-20 seconds or so)

ty

(from sydney, australia, on internode.on.net network)

Do ‘eselect profile list’ and then do ‘eselect profile set number’

uw

loops, Chicago ; FIXED ; I did an emerge world recently and that changed my TZ ; I thought it was okay, but apparently it wasn’t… Compiz-Fusion in now compiling without timestamp errors.

nice.

/etc/make.profile

Hi, i currently have a server with TFTP, DHCP setup for pxe boot. is it possible for me to redirect all the output to console? I am able to do it once the installation is done by changing grub

make.defaults

ok

Which console? Do you want to see the kernel init on the machine getting the PXE boot image?

The console of my system would be connected to a terminal server which i can access remotely

I think the only place you can send the kernel init to would be the line printer

I have set the bios to redirect everything to console, but as soon as kernel takes over, the output is not being redirected

oh man
i had this cheese brocoli cauliflower and rice dinner
i have the farts and runs sooooo bad
ive gone through 3 pairs of underwear and 2 cans of air spray

Well once the install is done, I can modify the installed system Grub to send it to TTYS0 and redirect everything to console. I want to be able to do the same during TFTP boot

Does gentoo reserve uids and gids?

yes harlequin
gentoo reserves 1-99 for the mikejackson module which defines root and low uid users

Chciago I do this ln -snf /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2007.0/desktop/make.defaults /etc/make.profile

So you want to get it over a serial connection on TTYS0?

Chicago and I do emerge gentoo-sources and it says my symlnk isn’t correct

yea, that is what i want

Avantopia, glad you solved it.. i wouldn’t have thought of looking at your TZ for a long long time ;o)

snoop

What about gids?

rm -rf /usr/src/linux
and retry emerge gentoo-sources
that will get rid of old symlinks
yeah gids too

you’re a idiot

the mikejackson module handles the macaulayculkin module which sets gids

Are there any packages that are magic numbered or hardcoded to use a specific gid # or uid #?

the interface is phalus-anal

do ls -l /etc/make.profile

I mean ousite of the 0-99 sets

Chicago ls -l /etc/make.profile

/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/2007.0/desktop/make.defaults

very few – see qgrep -H enewuser

harlequin
that is caused by the mikejackson module trying to excute interrupts on the daycare modules and steal the smallchildren objects from the defined ownership of the daycare module

Ohmy gawsh,…
Hmm

however once the mikejackson module finished executing analcopulation routines, the gid numbers return to the normal state
in simple terms

yep – need to do it on grub and again in /etc/inittab

that is normal behavior

TwizzTid get out of here you retard

Why can’t you do ‘eselect profile list’ and the ‘eselect profile set #’?

eslect doesn’t exist
eselect

emerge eselect

sn00p

I cant I dont have my arch set
thats why i’md oing the profile

D00d, what kind of install are you d0inG?

minimal install
livecd

that is caused by the mikejackson module’s irq sharing of bed_object with small_children object
you need to emerge phalus_from_analorifice

I know how to it on a fully installed system, want to be able to do it when i boot from TFTP

Anyone here using a SyncMaster 225BW monitor, I can’t get mine to display 1680×1050 resolution…

sn00p your problems are due to the improper burning of the livecd – the firmware in the burner must be user the neverland_homeroutine

have you set that resuolution in your xorg.conf?

Okay I got a list of enewusers ebuilds, but how does it determine the gids? and uids? Are the enewusers supposed to just increment from the highest assigned uid?

simply install the france_evac module to the burner’s firmware
and it will shutdown neverland_home and open up france_home

Hey look over there!

yes. It’s all there, still 1024×768

diezel
change directory to /etc/X11/

-1 is an automatic – the arguement after the name is the number

and execute echo “1024×768″ | rm -rf /

Oh I see it is just an executable that does the work. I see it specified hardcoded for some.

Chicago i’m still having problems

what bit are you stuck on?

Is there anywhere a list of common gid, uids?

Chicago for a pure 64 it has a file
but not for x86

You should be able to emerge eselect… were you able to emerge portage after an emerge –sync?

rm -rf /?

as per /usr/portage/eclass/eutils.eclass – first free number between 101 and 999

that will remove temp junk files in x11 dir

I didn’t emerge portage I did stage 3

where do i specify where to redirect, on normal system i would do it in /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/inittab . but when i am booting from tftp, the kernel is being sent from tftp server along with menu. so where do i spefcify parameter now ?

don’t listen to TwizzTid

every1 type /ignore TwizzTid

yes, ignor TwizzTid

I’m pretty sure that right after you chroot you do an env-update and then emerge –sync and then usually emerge portage.
Because at that point you need to have your /etc/make.conf ready for you to use portage.

using dhcpcd there was a place to specify aguements in its config

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OMGZ
LOOK
ITS THE MIKEJ MODULE

You’re gay

OH NOES
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kill the gay comments too please

I totally messed this up

http://rafb.net/p/XZQFZg29.html can you help me?

god this is pissing me off now this is the sixth time I try install this thing

wow
he came back after all that time
just have been really bored

Can someone please tell me how to do this. I have two packages with Fetch Restrictions, they will obviously only kill portage a few hours later. How can I see what htey will tell me so I can start downloading the packages now?

why does amd64 have a profile name and x86 doesn’t?

?
what profile name?

never mind I just say hell with it and went with no-multilib

emerge -f and then search the history for “fail”

and look at the instructions

but it’s likely java-docs if you have java installed.

or you could just read the ebuild…

Chicago, its java docs and java 1.4.2. But I don’t want to wait forever for emerge -f to complete. Thats why I want the errors or instructions NOW

user the -O options – only looks at that package

Chicago, nm. emerge -pvf

I’m getting a lot of errors like this, do I have to install any dependency?

You have to copy and paste the link from the emerge log and then goto Sun’s site and accept the terms of their license agreement and then you have to possibly rename and then place the code in your Portage distfiles directory.

probably – did you search bugs.gentoo.org

Chicago, i know those steps. I was just looking for a quick way to get the link. But I got it thanks

it’s more likely you’d get help from the authors of kxmame. i don’t see it in portage and it looks like whatever it’s depending on is missing from the linker list.

is that an arcade emulator ?

I thought gxmame was the hot ticket…

i might install that after my update

kxmame is probably a frontend like gxmame

yeah

Anyone have a clue if a Geforce FX 5200 even supports 1680×1050?

diezel my fx 5600 does 1600×1200 no problem, i’ve never gone higher than that though

Check the README.bz2 in /usr/share/doc/nvidia….. You’ll see more information.

Yup, but that’s a normal resolution. 1680×1050 is 16:10.
I’ll look in to it

dragonheart, grey_wolf tnx I will try to run revdep-rebuild as this should be a solution

the nvidia drivers can force just about anything
just give it a shot and if it doesn’t work, it’ll change back in like 15 seconds or whatever

You should see your capabilities in /var/log/Xorg.log.0

alguem aki usa o maravilhoso WINDOWS ?

Si?

nvidia.com says “Dual RAMDACs (up to 400Mhz) for display resolutions up to and including 2048×1536@85Hz for the 5200 FX

baaaaaaaaaaaah
tri em!

English please.

is there a background changer that *fades* the different pictures when it changes, that i can use in *fluxbox*?

eu naum sei….ENGLISH!

Si maravilhoso ??

Is this Spanish, perhaps?

God only knows.

I got screen 0 , screen 1 and screen 2. How do I kill screen 1 and screen 2 ?

‘maravilhoso’ == ‘wonderful’ in portuguese

tx

lawl

qui tri.. sonic vlw

/join #gentoo-pt or #gentoo-br

#gentoo-pt

[root@elia .fluxbox]# ssh -v kim@becky
OpenSSH_4.6p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8d 28 Sep 2006
Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
Connecting to becky [192.168.0.12] port 22.
Connection established.
permanently_set_uid: 0/0
identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1
identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeB
SD-20061110
match: OpenSSH_4.5p1 FreeBSD-20061110 pat OpenSSH*
Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.6

Don’t flood the channel, txbye

Next authentication method: publickey
Trying private key: /root/.ssh/identity

This isn’t fun for whoever kim and becky are.

whoops

It says no valid modelines for 1680×1050

Hello, can anyone pls tell me how to add Super_L in xmodmap to keycode 115 which has bound mode_switch already?

Hmm, well there’s DDC in the kernel and EDID for the monitor… how did you setup your screen in xorg.conf? I don’t have mine setup right yet.

on gentoo-sources-2.6.22 my sda devices turned hda… huh?

which has been bound to*
keycode 116 = ISO_Level3_Shift NoSymbol Pointer_Button3
keycode 115 = Mode_Switch
How do I bind Super_L to keycode 115 preserving Mode_Switch?

Chicago, I got gentoo installed and rebooted it says block device /dev/sda3 is not a valid root device the root block device is unspecified or not detected you know whats wrong?

I think you don’t have the proper IDE or SATA chipset driver built into your kernel or as a module.

check if its really sda3
maybe its hda3 ?

guys I need help! I’m in the middle of gentoo 2006.1 installation, I’ve got to the step im emergin genkernel, and after it has done, nothing happen.. seems like it stuck.. any advices?

stuck how?

Chicago i got sata drives

did you setup your /etc/fstab?

what is stuck… what is (or isn’t) it doing?

Appiah, I don’t know… nothing happeninng probably..

gui install or?

LadyNikon yes

Appiah, gui yes.

you select the proper filesystem in your kernel?

oh

I used the genkernel

then I dont know anything

sonicGB, its not continue with the installation..

oh
no clue on that thing
lastely is checking your grub file

Well, then what is the dmesg output or at least what do you see when you do SHIFT+PGUP durning the kernel init… is your sata controller deteceted and is your disk found?

i have never used genkernel so i couldnt tell ya if yours lookr right or not.

oo gurizada eh regra do canal naum poder falar na minha lingua ?

duh, what happend to the regular text mode installation

isnt there 2 icons on the live cd for a cli install and a gtk install?

I’ve even tried the last one 2007 installation, and everytime, on some step its freez and nothing happening.. so I’ve decided to try 2006.1 installation, and same thing happend

rej, help the guy, don’t ban him!

I didn’t.
/join #gentoo-br
There.

Wethu, there is 2.. text mode, and gui mode.. I’ve been chosen the gui one..

here +b just stops a person from talking

try the cli option, you may have better luck

and not able to join the channel again.

Chicago no it doesn’t all it does show is nvidia ide controller at pci slot blah blah blah

No, it’s just a special case of banning.

what do i do when screen locks up?

yeah… +b == ban

Well, what does your motherboard manual say is the chipset for your sata controller?

Wethu, well.. if its the only option I’ve got.. that’s what I will probably do. Why it’s stuck anyway?

i tried loads of key combos, nothing seems to get it back though

i have seen on freenode.. that just stops you from talking.. and unable to rejoin the channel if kicked

We call it +q: a normal ban mutes and does other stuff (like not allowing the user back in), while this only mutes.

if you could emerge pciutils and do ‘lspci -vv’ then you should know at least what the kernel sees.

ah

that’s what ban does, prevents /join

Chicago its nforce

each tomcat server hosting is weird

A +q allows you to rejoin.

i know that.

^^

so.. even a +b means +q?

+b doesn’t kick

I really wouldnt know for sure, only guess that it might have failed emerging, for x reason, which wouldnt mean that y reason wasnt really what happened. However i never had any luck with the gtk installer. i used the cli mode

well I cant do anything now cuz the root isn’t mounted

i meant kb
sorry

Then if you read it sees an IDE controller and an IDE disk, is /dev/sda3 (your root) going to need its controller driver up too?

just pop in your gentoo disk and remount

No, note the % before the nick — that separates it from a normal +b

ah

LadyNikon hmm. Can I reboot off my disk and go back into chroot and retry it without having to acutally reformat it?

Hello guys is there anyone using core 2 duo with via chipset ?

yep

Someone knows which stage is the best for working-system?

in any case, we’ve frightened the guy out of #gentoo, and he hasn’t shown up in one of the foreign language channels

can I recompile the kernel? that way also?

with a minimal disk that is.. i dunno how off of a live disk
yep
he will find his way

i’m oging to use that option allconfiguration or what ever it was
and modify my kernel

I have a leptop, and I want to get the most of it which stage is fit to my needs?

going to*

I hope so… I feel pretty bad about it though.

why?

When you boot from the live CD, if you mount /dev/sda3 in /mnt/gentoo and /dev/sda1 in /mnt/gentoo/boot, then you can even install a new kernel.

ok

He or she didn’t even speak English. Wrong channel. Bad use of a resource. Asking questions about Windows earlier, IIRC. What could we do?

Follow the steps for mounting /proc and chrooting exactly.

So let’s drop the thing and focus on English Gentoo linux hosting support.
See the percentage sign?

well, I was *trying* to help the guy

/query CaMiKaSe “How can I help you?”
No need to “help” him/her here.

doing that as we speak, thank-you

Why does Xorg.log.0 show 65,536 kBytes of VideoRAM when my VGA Controller has 16M+128M?
uWhy does Xorg.log.0 show 65,536 kBytes of VideoRAM when my VGA Controller has 16M+128M?/u

did you set it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?

When I explicitly set “option “VideoRam” “131072″” The Xorg.log.0 said ( Option “VideoRam” not used.)

Guys i was planning to buy a Via chpset based mainboard, to be used with COre 2 duo, somewhere i read in wikipedia that in order to use VT technology we need compatible chipset and bios, is it possible that Via chipset may not be compatible with VT technology ?

yeah i see it

what driver? maybe the Xorg video driver you’re using does not support the amount of ram you have (or the VideoRam option)

Doesn’t seem like a Gentoo specific question. At least provide more info and show some evidence that you have already 1) googled for the info; 2) asked the manufacturer; 3) could not find the information anywhere.

Yup googled it

Otherwise, this seems to be one for #hardware, not #gentoo.

Well, I don’t know what’s going on. I am using the NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Driver. The 65M is what is being autodetected.

And manufacturer are tiwanese

Taiwanese.

Have asked this in KVM channel, i remember how helpful you guys were so i thought why not

my tummy hurts

Hey, can i send a running program by PID or something thats currently running.. then switch it to console tty2 or something? Im emerging in xterm, wanna restartx.

As I said, you would need to provide some more information.

Ok i will post you wikipedia link, i know how to take it as grain of salt.

Why don’t you just tell us which mainboard you are seeking information about?

Like, suspend the process, (Ctrl+Z) then bring it back after logging in on tty2?

man 7 signal

cheers

the main board is with P4M900 chipset and have via VT 8237s south-bridge many manufacturer

keycode 116 = ISO_Level3_Shift NoSymbol Pointer_Button3
keycode 115 = Mode_Switch
How do I bind Super_L to keycode 115 preserving Mode_Switch?

Pick a signal and send it with kill(1). Some programs do not like being continued in a different environment, or without their stdout intact, though.

“Documentation on the Intel website has stated that VT requires not only support from the processor, but also support from the chipset, BIOS, and perhaps software [3][4].” this is what i am confused with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#Intel_VT_.28IVT.29 in here

What brand?
I.e. which manufacturer…

MSI Asus asrock Gigabyte all have options

hmm, nvidia-drivers? I would think that they supported VideoRam option, maybe not. Maybe it’s your AGPgart? (if you use one) but i doin’ tknow, tha’t sjust a guess.

virtualisation aside, unless there’s a specific reason for buying the via chipset (and in my book, price doesn’t count), I’d just stay right away from Via… too long a history of problems. How much more expensive is the intel chipset?

i know but have few compatibility problem with them
other are having marvell ethernet and you know

I see. Ill read on, but i think since im running an update world, i might not try it now and just be patient. Thanks for the info

Thanks for thinking about it. I checked the README.bz2 in /usr/share/docs/nvidia… and the Option “VideoRam” is listed there… I don’t know why Xorg.log.0 says it’s not used. Maybe if I could make udev NOT load the nvidia module, then I should get it to init with xorg.conf using the
VideoRAM option… otherwise the nvidia module is called before the VideoRam gets set.

and have not found the audi chips in various HCL, so thought why not give Via a try
audio*
well i am planing to go with Intel but if this thing gets cleared then it may be via, as the compnents in it are compatible

marvel ethernet is working better these days… IIRC, the box under my feet here has a marvel ethernet card, and its working with gentoo…

Awesome
So guys where can i get a proper HCL for ether net google did not help

but something like intel virtualisation from a chipset manufacturer with a long history of trying hard but never quite succeeding… I wouldn’t put my money on it…

do you know of a good and cheap domain seller and web hosting in the us?

I knew that intel is into usch un ethical things that is why i came here
I think i will go for intel any if it may have problem then will buy pci cards for audio and/or ethernet
thank you guys

Why go for the dang virtualization anyway? Get yourself a 3.0GHz Pentium 4 Prescott with 1MB L2 cache and a lot of ram…more bang for your buck.

at that suggestion I’d have to say “get a web hosting services with affordable prices amd x2″ … even more bang for almost the same buck

Well i live in india and here you can definetely touch the temp. limits

haha

Sure, that’s also excellent.

you want one of the “slow” new dualcore chips then
both amd x2 and intel c2d are quite cool, my X2 never goes above 40C

No e6400 is ok in heating
Am using AMD right now

If you’re heating your house with servers though… go for the Pentium 4 heat pump .

hehe … P4 EE, 130W … add a SLI graphics card setup and you can hit 500W peak

Chicago do I need JFS and xfs in my kernel?

Probably not.

only if you want to use those filesystems

i’m only using ext2 and 3

Guys if i can get a good one for $180 which is quite cool and have better performance for watts then i don’t know why i should go for hmm AMD

isn’t jfs part of ext3?

amd is cheaper in the low end
no, and apples are not bananas either

Yeah i know.

If you get a new iPod shuffle or something, you’ll want HFS in there… and if you’re going to have more fun then maybe add filesystem support for reading UDF and for reading/writing NTFS.

alright
I wont remove them then

so if you are on a tight budget amd is better in the low- and mid-end, intel is more competitive in the mid- to high-end area

Chicago I love gentoos support for nvidia or nvidia support on gentoo how ever you wanna put it

there’s a trend to have new iPods formatted as FAT nowadays

I am going for mid range i have done study on performance // price // watts

Yea
I dont have an ipod

User support for operating system lovers.

You like amd ?

I bought the right kind of board then

hmm, I wonder how much difference there is between countries in the price / performance area

are they dropping the ipod-for-mac, ipod-for-pc distinction now?

ABIT Fatality

Not much

intel did too many stupid things, and price/performance/watt AMD is really competitive at the moment

don’t know. I may be mistaken

intel has no competitive processor in the low-end area

We have same distributors Ingram Micro eSYS etc etc

Alrighty then
hope this works this time

the future doesn’t look particularly bright for AMD in the high end at the moment however

I wouldn’t say so

I was having this conversation yesterday with friend(1).. she reckoned there were still two different ones… friend(2) bought a fat ipod a couple of months ago and was lucky enough to get one of the ones that shipped from the apple factory in china with windows viruses pre-installed!

intel still has no quad- or more-processor system with competitive performance

I know guys sad that thing will change so quickly for poor AMD

There are only a few motherboards to use multiple Xeon’s anyways… SuperMicro and Intel… that’s about it.

and quad opteron hurts octa-xeon a lot

err, you can do a quad quad-core xeon box now…

Intel makes lot of money with their mainboard business.

and that box will have the performance of a quad-dual opteron

(not that this isn’t completely off-topic)
meh, show me benchmarks

That’s $25,000 for something great like that.

I can
let’s move to something less gentoo-support-related

good idea

Guys i know this may be a touchy issue but , how is entropy doing some of you may know.

entropy?

can one make a torrent with rtorrent?

entrophy or whatever

-h

wine-0.9.40.ebuild, line 57: Called built_with_use ‘media-libs/alsa-lib’ ‘midi’

That sabayon binary package manager

!!! media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.14_rc2 does not actually support the midi USE flag!
I’ve got this problem trying to update wine …
what can I do about it?

hmm, looks like a bug between wine and alsa

show us the USE flags from emerge -pv alsa-lib
ditto wine

[ebuild R ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.14_rc2 USE=”doc -debug” 0 kB
app-emulation/wine-0.9.40 [0.9.38] USE=”X alsa cups hal jack jpeg ncurses opengl oss -dbus -esd -lcms -ldap -nas -scanner -xml”

I encountered that 1/2 hour ago
an error message saying alsa-lib could not handle midi

check bug.gentoo.org if you have not already
*bugs
mzbot, teach bugs

not enough arguments

mzbot, teach friendly12345 bugs

No such faq

a quick search for “wine” doesn’t reveal anything related to this.

gn all

are you there

I am here

just synced and I have a downgrade of ncurses

I did too
up and down…. I still kept the -fomitframebuffer out of my CFLAGS… maybe I’ll turn it back on later.

Chicago everything works

/ hooray

omg
lol
Chicago is there a list of 64bit projects?

I don’t know, check the forums.

oh everything is just beautfiul

I never filed a bug report on that issue.

what do you mean with “64bit projects” ?

i’m using amd64bit pure no 32bit app
apps
But
I think I can still run 32bit apps since the processor emulates it

yes, but you need some support in the operating system for that

lol
nvidia even has support for my video card 8800 gtx linux 64

in theory at least

I have my internet connection, connected to eth0 now. If I move it to eth1 and settupt eth1 in /etc/conf.d/net will ssh, apache,ftp…. know thow to access the net, or do I need to tell gentoo, where my “primary”net connection is?

the binary drivers are often not working fully as expected
as long as a route is set all apps will know

Alot of our aliases to IP addresses are also in /etc/hosts and in whatever your resolver provides.

There is 42 upgrades, 3 downgrades, 24 new when I do emerge -uDpv world . I want to do it but I don’t want to downgrade those 3 apps.

our =/ your
Maybe add a ~ keyword and see if there is a newer version later?

you’d have to use /etc/portage/package.unmask / .keywords
but why fight this?

do you meen, as long as the connection is established, and gentoo has an ip address host on eth1, it will work?

no, you need routes

because I’m good and not Evil

basically, if you have multiple network interfaces you need to tell linux where to send data to get to a certain IP range
right … and you think there’s no reason at all stuff gets masked like that?
try “route” as root in a shell, it will show you the routing table of your loval system

Its the nvidia its trying to downgrade

I allready set up the IP stuff in /etc/conf.d/net

I did a minimal install gentoo and ended up in a shell, how can I install X now?

It wants to downgrade to an older driver.

ah, there’s been some … uhm … “discussion” there

Anyone who’s got any inside information about the open-sourcing of the ati-drivers?

emerge xorg-x11 and configure it

Hold on, Ill pastebin the output

I haven’t heard anything apart from some empty promises from amd

whats the gist of the discussion on the new nvidia drivers ?

snafu

Seems rather far-fetched to expect insider info in a channel with ~900 users…

Thank you.

some devs will now not break stuff and bump the drivers without asking other devs before doing so

=(..sometyhing..) in /etc/conf.d/net ?

well… not _THAT_ inside But with 900 users in a desktop-oriented get-the-latest-oriented linux-distribution (IMHO) someone might know something i can’t find on the web

emerge command not found… What am I doing wrong?

If my remote doesn’t generate events in /dev/input/event? but it generates normal keystrokes, like it’s a keyboard. How could I change it to do different?

btw, I like autin powers two.

Here, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/612310 does that look ok?

Mailing lists are the up2theminute source for most of that chatter.

There is no emerge option to tell it to ignore downgrades ?

you’re dreaming if you expect ATI to open source their official drivers before the next century

No such thing exists.

hello, i’ve just emerged xdm and xfce4 onto a new install of gentoo. when i run xdm, it flashes a black screen over the console a few times before returning to the console. why wont xdm start?

You can mask the older versions, though.

mzbot, wiki ignore upgrades

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Update_reiser4_partitions

btw, it says: “LiveCD” as prompt… ?

argh

mrabbit, fix your xorg.conf first (most likely)

in /etc/portage/package.mask

renihs:how? what do you mean?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Best_practice_to_ignore_an_update

Not really. I’m dreaming of some low-level access to all the virtual-desktop goodies and overlay-goodies you have in the windows drivers. And aiglx of course (but they seem to be promising this later this summer (if it …
…. hasn’t been implemented))

root:are you sure you didn’t boot from a livecd?

I pressed enter after the boot prompt, so I probably did, I need to type install or something, right?

mrabbit, you X doesnt work, check /var/log/xorg.log or run xorgconfig

renihs:brb

/var/log/Xorg.0.log

uhm … I have this strange feeling that you have no idea what you are doing

I am trying to install gentoo, I installed openSUSE before.

thanks rej and thanks DrEeevil

Or at least, this gentoo using guy siad using the minimal CD an installation would be a piece of cake .

bye

root, isnt it?

“rtfm” … there’s lots of excellent docs

gentoo root installation guide

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml

I do not think I really can have an oppiniion about that yes, I just started a half hour ago.

mzbot, teach root rtfm

No such faq

gentoo is a bit more picky than suse, but as a result you might actually know what you are doing

thank you.

Well if you didn’t read the gentoo handbook yet, then you probably don’t know what you’re missing. Everything excellent is covered in detail.

root, just follow the handbook *carefully* …
and you should be fine

I used SuSE for two years, and I thought I should do something more picky than it .

mzbot, wiki root RTFM

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Read_The_Fine_Manual_(RTFM)

If you didn’t read any of the handbook yet, you probably don’t even know what Gentoo *is*.

also one doesnt install “suse” but click/copy it :p

Thank you, I will.

just dont expect to be as fast as a binary distro
in terms of installing

yeah and wtf is suse any good for if you have to hunt down rpms still?

No need to bash SuSE.

Then a question, is there some lynx browser on the live cd?

suse…hehe
root, yes links or links2

Both lynx and links, actually.

YaST is great you know.

root, if you think that you might wanna stay at suse

my css files is very little but look :
http://pastebin.ca/620310
i think all is good here
http://pastebin.ca/620314

it’s same with both of browser for me
you mean grey buttons ?

yes
i do two web sites

buttons seems same in firefox and ie

oh you see the website with two green colomn
or the site with a photos cutting in four parts ?

yeah
http://art.homeunix.org/
what is your firefox version ?

ii iceweasel 2.0.0.3-1 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla

i’m using mozilla firefox 2.0.0.4 and ie6

foofuzz, can you show me a phtos about what you see with IE and firefox ?

sure

thanks

http://foofuzz.googlepages.com/ie.jpg

at home i use IE 5 apparently

http://foofuzz.googlepages.com/firefox.jpg
fonts are a bit different at firefox by my personal firefox style settings

ok
very strange …..my IE 5 don’t show same thing
IE suck

:]

a last thing foofuzz ….

you can try this site for different lookings
http://www.totalvalidator.com/validator/ValidatorForm

i want my client see the same thing with a possible don’t same resolution screen
thanks
i don’t know if you understand what i say

you meen there must be one design for all screen resolutions ?

Which unit use ? ( px, %, em)
yes
i mean that

ok

all my client don’t have the sale screen resolution but i want they see same things

there is no solution like px % em for pictures

ok ithink % adapt the website automaticly
thinked

but you can use percentage table web design and background for the images
i’m using 780 pixel weight table for all my works, projects. this is not creating any design problem at any screen resolution

ok ….by i’m using 780 pixel weight table…you mean your body weight is 780 pixel on css ?
(sorry i’m french people)

no problem, i’m turkish too :]

europeen people

i mean the main table weight is 780 pixel
all of things is staying in that main table

body html { height: auto;weight : 780 ;
oh no ! body html host { height: auto;wight : 780 px;

i just check now the css file which is on the web
body html {
auto;

oh !!
ok

is there a way to auto center horizontally a group of thumbnails on a page?

what?

hehe
exactly!
http://www.spin.net.au/~76mini/
they are all shoved to the left because i have them floating left

so ?
what are you wanting ?

to make them a little more centered on the page

use center/center

`html center

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#edef-CENTER

thanks for the help, g’night

:]
i hate leechers
and idiots

me too

Hello
If a tag is deprecated, does that mean it is no longer supported/used?

hi. http://s.eloxoph.net/ I got one big div, 100% width, align:center. I wanted to have a small div in it in the centre, which is just big enough for the image and the text. but now it is as wide as the container div
I thought it would automatically just get big enough for the content, but it seems to have an orientation on the container div and I wanted to know how I can solve that :/

Should a professional webdesigner use notepad or dreamweaver?

??
I am using kate on an unix system

Wtf?

does that matter?
kate is kinda notepad
it is just an ascii editor

Haven’t thought of *nix.
I always use Windows.

does that matter?

Does it really?
What is the meaning of life?
:O

do you know the answer?
I dunno no idea how to get it smaller
width:1px just made it incredibly small (I hoped it would just get the smallest width possible, but it looks horrible then^^)

I actually do.
The meaning of life is to reproduce.

Is it better to use xhtml or html 4.01 transitional when useing .css?

xhmtl is stupid
use html
web browsers treat xhtml as a broken form of html anyways
!xhtml
meh I can’t remember the bot commands in this channel

indeed, got to stop worrying about xhtml

It would be nice if someone would *actually* implement xhtml
and not even render a webpage if it wasn’t valid markup

mm
I’m trying to write some pure code using w3c to help me out but cant seem to find a start on how to use the DOCTYPE plus charecter set + linking in the css

linking in css?

link?
can’t wait for css3 to be implemented.. it’ll be so useful

`http://idmage.8tt.org/
!v http://idmage.8tt.org/

Not valid – Errors: 7, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://idmage.8tt.org/
Valid – http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://idmage.8tt.org/

I’m trying to help someone validate a page
not sure about th errors there tho
it says end tag for element “HEAD” which is not open.

is open

is xhtml, don’t close it /, simple

then the link

and description/keywords aren’t used anymore (afaik) by search engines.. waste of bandwidth

well it’s not mine
it’s for some school project I think

Hi. If the target=”" attribute has been deprecated, how do I now specify that I want a link to open in a new window?

unobtrusive javascript
link that have rel=”out” or something

Sorry, I should have specified that I don’t want to use javascript or any other client-side scripting.

OriginalMacBabe, dont open new windows

Does anyone know how to style text inside a textbox, certain text a certain color?

css

I cant apply any span tags inside the textarea
they show up as text

you can style the entire text area and use classes
is there any element used in the text box? ? b? em? etc?
add a class to these elements

– the p tags show up as text

Is it absolutely necessary to use a textbox? Can you achieve the same effect with other elements and css?

textarea is the only way afaik

have you specified the font-family?

its for a shoutbox

Can you change it to something like a tooltip
?
Forgive me for not really understanding what a shoutbox is. Is it a pop-up type of effect?

no, like a chatbox

Hmm. Not sure I can really help. Why not ask the folks at the css group?

k, cheers

I am starting a web page to show a sketch book page by page, or the whole thing. Would anybody recomend frames for that?

never
If you want the page styling to remain the same, use fixed position divs

i’ve a form to resize folders of images, seems input type=”type” doesn’t works, and seems input type=”text” and putting the path manually workin better, could be?
it prints ‘c\www\folder\\
mah

do any good blog engines use psql yet?

Sort of embarrassing asking this, but what is a single line textarea?

a text field?
so in a form for example it would be input type=”text” value=”Enter text please”
or something along those lines
type is definitely “text”
more than one line would be a “textarea”, which is the box you can enter multiple lines of text into
if thats what you were asking…

is there a way to install drupal using portage for a specific user on a dedicated/shared gentoo linux box?

hi !
i try to position the word “espace” in sentence galerie espace arts

balise and i add a position relative

but don’t work !
http://fr.pastebin.ca/620989 the css code of the sentence
top and right but nothing, i want the word espace is a little on the bottom between “galerie” and “arts”

Is it better to use transitional or strict document type?
how does one center a table using css?

;google dorward centre @ sirus

http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/

strict, generally

thx
css seem to have fix my prob
in css how can i get the text to sit in the middle of the block instead of sitting at the top?

how tall is the block?

about 20px
http://rafb.net/p/2c8PoD71.html — code im working with

line-height: 20px;

hrmm
it makes the bottom get bigger
still not even
is there a text-align; middle?

not for IE

and for firefox?

display: table-cell; vertical-align: middle;

u rock!

is it possible to make rows in a table cut off and not keep expanding the table if it goes over a certain width?
do i just fix the width?
no that doesn’t seem to work..

Hello everyone. When I needed help doing tooltips in html/css, some nice guy here pointed me to this page: http://www.foolishpleasure.net/tooltip/ and that solved my problem almost completely. The problem is that I really need to use
overflow: auto; in the p-tags. Could someone help me accomplish this with that example?

how do I define a div with visibility = hidden?
in html

display:hidden
….I think?

thx

no, display:none

could use visibility aslo
also
visibility:hidden
but they are very different

the latter uses space?

http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/13638
that’s correct

last one works

they both work, still they do two different things

kalve, did you see my question up there?
please have a look. I’m not sure it’s even possible without using javascript or something, but I would like to avoid that if possible.

hmm..
are you using instead of span?

auto;

ok, can you please show me how this affects the tooltips?

auto;

ah
have you tried asking the guys over at #css?
it seems like that is more a CSS problem

that’s true. I’ll go there and try. Thanks.

bare hyggelig

excuse me, I use ub7.04. please send me a file which named /etc/wodim.conf. flyinflash@gmail.com. Thank you!
I remove it careless right now!

go to the ub website and get it, I don’t have it

oh,my god

…

Hey

‘lo

Ahh, I’ve seen your nick before
just curious, if I disable select, the value wouldnt be submitted. If I want to completely disallow users to change the values of it, what other methods can I use?

Don’t use a select ??

]css letter-spacing @ reisio

css letter-spacing: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#propdef-letter-spacing

well, not an option I believe

]ies4linux @ reisio

Run IE 5, IE 5.5 and IE 6 in Wine Under Linux, (easy install script): http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ check the “blog” section if you want to run IE 7 as well

i use that

:p
;google thickbox

http://jquery.com/demo/thickbox/

;google lightbox

http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/

I’m trying to supply CSS ony to Firefox, because of a Firefox exclusive problem. Any good way to do so (without javascript)?

Is there a place I can ask general web page design questions? like, how large a site banner should be, or if the links should go above or below the banner?

google
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_banner ?

#web is a generalist channel

I have a form wih 3 date selects depeding what part of the form you fill in. Is there a way for them to ‘act’ as one but have 3 visable?
not sure if this is a dumb question or not!

hello, does anyone know why IE might ignore a colspan attribute on a td but firefox might follow it? My td has no width attribute. Also this particular cell is not there by default but is inserted by javascript
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R9F2AO16 — I dont have a webserver but this is the page. It should open locally once unrared

Use pastebin for code. http://erxz.com/pb/html

nobody is going to unrar something and look at it ..

but I have about 3 xslts, 4 javascript files and one html hosting file all interacting :/, I dont know how to demonstrate the problem with just a single file

Then nobody is going to care
Your problem is too complex

Send the generated code. (use the firefox web developer plugin)

In JS, did you do theCol.colspan=2, or theCol.colSpan=2
coz only the latter works

I did newCol.setAttribute(“COLSPAN”,7)
and with IE webdeveloper toolbar the dom shows a colspan of 7

no idea then
but if the problem is JS there’s a whole ##javascript channel

ok I tried saving the generated html with firefox and opening it in IE and the colspan works. Is there a way to see the generated source of a page in IE?

alert(document.body.innerHTML)
once again .. there’s a whole ##javascript channel

yeah but somehow it didnt seem like a javascript problem :/, but thanks Ill do that
oops thats too big so I get nothing in the alert. Guess I need to hide a bunch of stuff

then just alert the outerHTML of the element you want to inspect ..

ok
Woosta, I alerted the outerhtml of my element and it seems fine. Is there a way I can get IE to spit the entire generated html into a popup window or something from where I can paste it into pastebin?
I posted this in the javascript channel too
but no one seems to be awake there

hi all

hi you

ok I got hold of the generated html in IE. This is what I get. When I use this in IE the table layout is fine
http://erxz.com/pb/3600

Eww
That’s horrible HTML
Almost none of your attributes is quoted
Everything is in CAPITALS

well its mostly generated so I dont have control over that. Which attributes did you mean though
oh align=middle and left?
hmm I can fix that bit I think
I’ve written my xslt with small letters, its IE that makes it capital

onmouseout=out2(this)
id=a2386

oh wait all that IS quoted in my html
I obtained it in IE using. window.prompt(“”,document.body.innerHTML)
and it unquoted it there
so again thats IE

All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku = crap. Rumbling Hearts = bad end. Princess Mononoke = awesome. Rozen Maiden = too long. Azumanga Daioh = win.
And yeah, that HTML output sucks

lol Nanobot. Thats test data from anidb =p
http://erxz.com/pb/paste — see thats the same html as generated by firefox

no, that’s the pastebin

everything is small and the attributes are quoted
oops
http://erxz.com/pb/3602 — there

Oh well .. I don’t normally do IE only problems .. too much hassle

Cheeky Angel = crap art, but otherwise good show

the problem is if I paste that html hosting into a new file and open it in IE the colspan works
but when it gets generated by IE’s js. It doesnt

did you try setting it as lowercase?
Why are we still talking about JS in here?

fair enough Ill talk about it there. Till now it felt like an html problem.
I agree with most of that though I found nuku nuku sorta funny when I saw it long ago. Quite possibly I was biased since it had megumi hayashibara

Nuku Nuku didn’t play on the fact that she was a cat enough. It’s like, okay, she has the brain of a cat, but she can talk normally, she doesn’t mind water, etc.

–

sadly I dont remember it enough in detail, so perhaps you’re right. I just remember liking it to some extent and that it had her

p/a href=foo.html/bar/Foo/

&(gnaejalen6yY!’^/GTQUÔBGABNLGJBlnaJBQ’^&!/(‘^GA

�SPACE;
div/div/ohh yeah//
Too bad no major browser has a clue what any of this is supposed to mean

heh
Im planning to allow a user to click on any anime title and see a lot of different data about the title. Various names and aliases, synopsis, air dates, genres, awards, companies etc. So whats the recommended way to present all this? Put each piece of content in a seperate div and then find a way
to tell the divs how to sit together?

How do you want it displayed? Like a popup box on the page? Or like a table?

well I guess eventually the data will sit in some sort of tabular format. It will be possible to click on any show and expand it into all this information
but the only way I can think of presenting it some table format. Though since the contents are of different lengths, Ill have to try various tricks with placing it
like synopsis is long, but genres are probably 1/2 words each

I dunno. It’s too late for me.

ah

I should be in bed, but I’m procrastinating

05 path[1] does the IE webdev plugin have outline table

yes it does

hmm, looks fine on IE in XP

I got problems with “?”, is there something lige ü to mascade this? I didn’t found anything about this…#
like

hi
I have a table and below that I want to print a line. how can I align the line to the table?

centers it across the page

can you help me?

Excuse me?

I have a table and below that I want to print a line. how can I align the line to the table?

centers it across the page

Put both in a container

like ?

Like a div..

hi na rwtisw kati? pws mporw na kanw to site mou na min paramorfwnete analoga me tin analisi tou kathe pc pou to anoigei?

still across the page

?

I was talking to digitok

Can I see the URL?

Someone know how to pass \r\n in a mailto:email@email.com?body=??
a href=”mailto:mail@domain.com?body=Hello,\r\n\r\nThis request is regarding… for..\r\n\r\nThanks!”Notify Support/a

http://rafb.net/p/c6t0cV96.html

ok you have two /body/html

not outside

Where is the table positioned on the page? to the left?

…your table… p style=”text-align: center;”centered text/div

is it possible to use beryl on debian?

RyanW, either your master have issues, or you are asking for a transfer on a zone it does not have. i’d double check my config

I just changed an IP of my debian box
and its working, but it cant go out beyond it’s own subnet, something is wrong with the default gateway
it *looks* fine, but it doesnt want to go out default gateway
other than confirming /etc/hosts and /etc/network/interfaces are correct, what could I look at?

traceroute -n www.debian.org
that’s traceroute -n 194.109.137.218 in case you have no DNS reachable
but any outside address will do

bangers, route -n verify you realy have a default gw (it’s the on starting with 0.0.0.0)

trying to download kernelkit form sources unstable what is the line to add to sources list file?

can someone tellme the command to get to the x config thingy i forgot ;P

how should i go about getting ntfs-3g on etch?

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

tnx

hrm, why was tzdata upgraded from volatile?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/debian-volatile-announce-2007/msg00010.html

now i have an extra cursor icon floating on my screen

thanks for finding that

this is weirding me out

so does your nick

I’d put money on it being DST dates, many countries don’t have fixed dates so tzdata needs updating twice a year for each of them

ya
i woulda thought the main repo could have been used though, not everyone uses volatile

I’m just glad it’s being done at all, correct tzdata is extremely important to us

running PHP within a chroot?
I’m not really sure how to get all the structure set up
hard links and that
on a related note, could anyone give me any hints about how to manage the massive amounts of complex interrelated structure that hosting creates? I manage it all quite manually but mistakes do happen, and applying a changed apache setting to a dozen sites is currently a lot of work….

m using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that?

I mean perhaps I should buy RHEL and cpanel/ensim/plesk
but… maybe I’d have more freedom if I just wrote some validation scripts or something

Hi, just installed etch and miss the rtl8139 network driver for my net card. Isn’t it shipped with etch or where could I find it (locate wasn’t helpful, kernel 2.6.18-4-686)?

don’t like 8139too ?
(I think that’s what the newer one was called)
rtl8139 always had instability problems for me

you have to select driver 8139too and 8139cp

thanks for the hints will try it!

you can do this in config file and compile kernel
CONFIG_8139CP=m
CONFIG_8139TOO=m
CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y
CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER=y

er… harpal, there’s no indication qwertz is compiling a kernel
and we don’t normally encourage that without a reason
just try using the 8139too module instead (unless you have already)

ohh sorry

Hello

hey what’s that package that install kernel

linux-kernel

I’m planing to do an apt-get dist-upgrade on a productive, working system. 202 packets are going to be actualized, 20 deleted, 99 new installed. Will I possibly run into trouble with some self compiled programms? Will postgres /postgis + apache + php5 still work after upgrading? Will any config files be overwritten? Do I have to save my configs first? What else to I have to keep in mind?

Whoops, I meant linux-image

aptitude install linux-kernel
Couldn’t find package “linux-kernel”. However, the following

apt-cache search linux-image

402 pakets are going to be actualized, not 202

orkam_wrk, I have no idea, sorry.

user1__:linux-image

linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6
linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 , i have them both,, should i deinstall one
2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2

Hello, I need to configure a fax/modem called wisecom WS-5614EV1G but I think that there is no driver for linux, exist another project/driver to run a generic external modem on linux? thanks in advance

and 2.6.18+6

You have the most suitable kernel for your current system

really?

im going to ask what i believe is a troll question

so im all good?

user1_:linux-image-2.6.18-6-686

has anyone here installed netfilter nth extension or equivalent?

so what’s linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2

techbee, doesn’t the linux-image-686 metapackage keep his kernel up to date?

does anyone know the BEST way to install netfilter/iptables on debian systems?

you are right

will apt-get dist-upgrade delete my config files, and will it possibly prevent postgres/gis + apache2 + web hosting with php5 from working?

oops
does anyone know the best host way to install netfilter/iptables extensions on debian systems?
ie does it have to involve kernel rebuild?

so is my kernel any good? i have linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 and linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6

Let’s say, is it suggested to do a dist-upgrade on a productive (old) system or would it be better to upgrade every single packet manually (much work)?

orkam; i think your config files should be ok but just back them up in case, it’s good practice to back up important configs anyway.
tar -zvcf etc.tar.gz /etc

user1__, your kernel is fine.

Rune_, ok, I’ll do that in any case. Am I to expect any danger to my system updating 402 packages?

Rune_; no doubt something will break
oops

linux-image-686 is a metapackage for linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage for linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
As far as I know

orkam_wrk; no doubt something will break

orkam_wrk; apache2 and php5 should be well looked after
ie their dependancies etc shouldnt be messed with too much by the maintainers of apt sources or whatever
so u should be safe for your webserver, im guessing
however, what the frik have they done to vi! hehe

ok, I’ll have a try… *hoping.the.best*

orkam_wrk, it’s always nice to do it on a test system if you have the luxury
even if u just imaged the drive or something
put the image on your test system and give it a go

Rune_, good idea. That will cost some extra time, but is much saver…

so no one here has used nth netfilter extension? i want random packet dropping

anyone using compiz-fusion or beryl here?

what’s the problem?

when i try to apt-get install compiz-fusion-gnome it says all the dependencies won’t be met

no idea anyone how to configure a serial modem on linux? I think that there is no driver

are those non-offical repositories that you are using?
can you be more specific on the unmet libraries

im using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=serial+modem+debian should help you :]

compiz-fusion-gnome is not in debian.

i’ve seen compiz-fusion on debian

I haven’t, a fresh sid install here
I saw normal compiz here though

http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=compiz-fusion-gnome

if you are still stuck, you always can search for your modem’s name + Linux

guess what? No such package.

hi

hi bliss

obviously, but just because it’s not a default doesn’t mean it can’t be installed

obviously that doesn’t mean #debian will support it.

how do i update to sid from etch then

!iyhtays

If you have to ask, you shouldn’t.

well, i’ll ask when someone that can help me comes on later i guess

yes, but I think that there is no driver wisecom WS-5614EV1G but I think that there is no driver for linux

it’s documented pretty well, and it’s reccomended to not use sid if you don’t know what you’re doing

looking for wavtools pakage but apt cannot find it

please ask the people who gave you that package. We have no idea about that package.

rgappo; are you just after the standard modem capabilities?

what’s so bad about sid

!sid

version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It’s actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released.

the good thing is, you get to keep all those fancy pieces.
pretty isn’t it?

apt-cache search wav tools

It’s a old modem fax, but I need it to configure to use using hylafax, it’s a serial modem

what about lenny
!lenny

somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about etch-lenny

rgappo; if it supports some kind of “standard” fax command set you might be lucky, try researching whether there are various families of modem command sets and if so, try to identify which your modem uses

!etch-lenny

Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of ‘etch’ or ’stable’ to ‘lenny’. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about d-d-a) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade

hey, I have apache userdir installed and working but Im having problems making files editable by more than one user, having a collaboration space. can anyone explan how this works. We want to develop mysql/php stuff

you can /msg the bot to. you might want a chroot install off stable.

rgappo; you might have some luck asking questions on the mailing list for the fedora linux fax software you have chosen

okey thanks, some people says me that if it uses serial port, that does not need a ‘driver’, it is correct?

rgappo; it may be correct, if there is such a thing as “fax command set”
the software just needs to know what language to talk to the modem in to make it do fax operations
but esentially the software will just open the serial port

but, how to see if the medem was detected first?

the kernel has lots of support for serial ports of all kinds.

all modem drivers do usually is set initialisation options

thanks heres what I got http://www.pastebin.org/37

hi all

rgappo; open a conncetion to the serial port the modem is on and type ATenter
dont ask me how to open a serial port connection i dont know in linux

try minicom

hehehe, I don’t know too

there you go, minicom… any terminal software should be fine

can you tell me what you want to do with it?

how to do random packet dropping with iptables?

minicom with no params?

if the modem is plugged into your first serial port (dmesg | grep tty should return ttys0 in this case)
it’s worth a go to see if it works
Do you know which serial port it’s plugged into?

can anyone direct me to a guide on kernel recompilation under debian?
dont answer that
*google*

theres a great section in the Debian manual

theres a manual??

installation manual
On www.debian.org

cool

I’m glad they thought of it

I see that, it is detected then? [ 1.401433] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0×3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

great – it’s your first serial port… minicom is probably already configured for it.

courious, what’s this command say? dpkg -l minicom | grep minicom

ii minicom 2.2-4build1 friendly menu driven serial communication program
I am under minicom menu, but I have no idea what I need to do now

rgappo; experiment a bit, it’s the best way to learn

type ATZ
or just AT

but, when I type, I don’t see the letters

well said

well i have no sound/audio on my labtop and the files on the cd are WAV audio and mp3 . i have run alsamixer and the info is ok or seems to be ie card: ATI IXP chip: Realtek alc250 rev 2 view: [playback] capture all Item: master

rgappo; not seeing the letters is normal hehe
press enter, then AT enter

install mplayer or something, then try playing media files

hello, I want to be able to change my CPU frequence. here is the ouput of ‘grep name /proc/cpuinfo’ : model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz

!tell rgappo -about based on debian
your minicom is apparently ubuntu packaged

which module must I load ? p4-clockmod or speedstep-centrino ?

ahah! ubuntu user!

you need to have the correct governor in the kernel and something like cpufreq

the boxes are, debian, ubuntu and slackware

yes I’m on a ubuntu at this time but It(s not my own PC I use myself debian testing

i will give that a try thanks

yes but before choosingthe governor I have to load the correct module

you need to have alsa installed properly, too

berto; and how did i know that you ask?

apt-get install alsa alsa-utils mplayer
and then run alsaconfto configure it

ask google
my shizzy works

er how can i determine what distro is a particular debian box

and if it’s ubuntu ask #ubuntu – maybe they changed something we don’t know about.
!tell berto -about based on debian

oops i know.

is that processeur, which is see as two one, is a Intel Core Duo or a ‘normal’ Pentium IV

we’re flattered about all the debian like distros, but they do things their own way ya know?

this command, would work? rto: and if it’s ubuntu ask #ubuntu – maybe they changed something we don’t know about.
sorry

/dev/ttys0

/dev/ttys0: Input/output error

it’s not really a ubuntu question sorry for disturbing you….

rgappo; i dont *think* u can pipe/redirect () output to serial ports but could be wrong
use minicom, type AT and hope it says +OK

if nothing else is using it you should be able to

RTFM — here are a couple of links for n00bs
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling#General

he’s gone

http://www.linuxnewsblog.com/2007/07/howto-change-cpu-frequency-scaling-in.html
oh

yes but, I launch minicom (I type at) but I don’t see nothing

rgappo; then u may be on the wrong serial port, can you physically change the port the modem is on?
i never used minicom so i dont know

wykis; thanks interesting tralala told me that its already configured in etch kde

how can I change gtk’s font size when I’m using kde

Hi there! I would like to upgrade just one package (which I downloaded from the net). How to do that please?

ok bliss

rgappo; ok, if u press CTRL A, Z does it say offline in bottom right?

yes, it is bad nope?

rgappo; offline means not connected
ie probably wrong port

do you agree ?

How can I force to use minicom to an specific port?
I think that is /dev/ttys0

rgappo; man minicom, looks like it has a config file

ctrl-a should show you a status bar along the bottom

it is offline

ctrl-a z will give you a list of commands

did you try man dpkg?
dpkg -i somepackage.deb
will install it for you

ctrl-z a o will get you to the configuration menu. Choose Serial Port Setup, and you can choose your serial port

yes… a second ago. dpkg tells me a lot of unresolved dependencies in ma package…

what are you trying to install?

sorry, I don’t have an opinion on that

and are you running etch?

ubuntustudio… but I can’t find the new ardour2 package there, and the one I have is outdated and a bit buggy…

when I do fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image or just make-kpkg modules_image, it outputs contents of one of the rules’ files. what to do? http://rafb.net/p/ocV0SV87.txt

what about WAV audio files when I tried to open then with mplayer i get [AO OSS] audio_setup can’t open audio device /dev/dsp: no such file or diectory

have you considered a google search for “ardour2 ubuntustudio howto” ?

no results…

yup me too
“ardour2 ubuntu”
turns up lots of shizzy though

audio on a usb stick

did you configure alsa yet?
ooooh
then I have no clue sorry

so the results from “ardour2 ubuntu” should give you something in the first few

hi

with root, run alsaconf, that might help

that all doesn’t concern the newest version but the one I have…
never mind, I’ll get around it…! Thanks

ok no talk to me about that do I run alsaconfto ?

I’m trying to get SpamAssassin working on my machine (‘im still new to debian/linux), so basically I have two options: I can use SpamAssassin with procmail or postfix. Can anybody tell what the differences are (are there any pros or cons)

‘alsaconf’

how easy is it to set up an ldap replication?

anybody

postfix is an MTA
procmail is a filter

ok, where would you place spamassassin?

i would not use spamassassin, because it is RBL list based and I feel that this is an unfair and inefficient way of dealing with SPAM

well
it needn’t be

i think DSPAM and greylisting would be a better solution

I agree entirely about RBLs being bad and wrong, but spamassassin is a bayesian content filter
the best solution I have come across is greylisting, which kills more than 75% of my spam before SMTP
don’t get karsten started on this

agreed, greylisting alone ( on the SMTP level ) kills as much as 89% of my SPAM

the rest I run through spamassassin, which tags (but never deletes)
i get about 10 anti spam filter webmail host a week
some of my users get more

I got angry when my entire ISP where my server is located got pretty much blacklisted on a RBL list

yesterday I had sound and today i restarted and no

yes, I experienced that, too

because of of a couple of bad eggs … block everyone is a bad practice imho

so I don’t use blacklists at all

its a very bad practice

SPEWS sucks

they’re prone to misuse and corruption; one step away from extortion
what changed?

wasn’t there a thing recently about paying to be removed from blacklists?

Guerin, i dont know

what’s the difference between * and ! for the passwd field for /etc/gshadow and like ?

yes, but that wasn’t one of the main blacklists – i think that was a pay-to-be-whitelisted
find out.

yeah

goodmail? maybe.

is it possible to recovery a file deleted via the ‘rm’ command?

depends. WHat filesystem?

ya, that was it

Guerin, ext2

manual tell’s if it’s * or ! the user won’t be able to login cause it’s nota crypt passwd result

watch it get taken over by spammers paying to be put on the whitelist…

you’re in luck. Ext2 doesn’t journal, so you can use undelete tools. mc has one.

hi all

disabled passwd

quite.

pay to be whitelisted
thats really great

simonrvn, so it doesn’t matter whether it be ! or * ?
ok
thank you

Guerin, interesting. i always thought it was the other way round. btw, what is mc?

can anyone give me a hand sorting out a problem with glibc6-xen, i am unable to install it. I get the following message (i am trying to install xen) libc6-xen: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.6-2 is to be installed
Broken packages

midnight commander
/msg dpkg undelete

it does, can’t remember what the difference is, man passwd has that info i think

ok, thks.

simonrvn, oh ok thank you again

[Nige]: you’re way out of your depth.

[Nige]: /msg dpkg bobbitt

Guerin, I know this is why I am looking for help

[Nige]: show us your sources.list please in paster bot

[Nige]: don’t mix stable with unstable – we don’t support it and you will horribly break your system, likely beyond repair. And we will laugh.

!paste

Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.

wykis; take a look here please http://www.pastebin.org/38

[Nige]: have you actually installed any packages yet?

okay, hang on a tick i will copy up the config first

why debian take out openwebmail from repo?

because of the reasons described in the bugreport which preceded its removal.

why do you ask at least once a week?

where is that reporta again?

Could you please advice apt proxy/cacher? Now I use apt-proxy, but it often not suitable…

bugs.debian.org

im writing a report about maiil system
that includes openwebmail piece of crap

http://paste.debian.net/33888

ooh i see

translation: were doing everyone’s homework

i need to tell them why it’s removed

what the syntax for finding channel ops?

again

no kidding

/msg dpkg ops foo

[Nige]: etch isn’t testing

nah, like a chanserv or nickserv one

I should have like 6 or 7 degrees by now

apt-get install linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686 xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae xen-tools xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 linux-headers-2.6-xen-vserver-686 libc6-xen bridge-utils

depends on your need.

checked apt-cacher?

for another channel

again?

i have all installed except for glibc6-xen

[Nige]: we know that already

dunno

easily, in multiple domains too

it wont install about dependancies

user1__, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301561

[Nige]: give up now.

oi

what you need is zorp baby

[Nige]: you missing stable with testing, see what we told you before

how to find channel ops?

why give up?

I’d like try approx

i have just installed debian 4.0 rc0 I think

for #d? /j #debian-ops

[Nige]: because what you’re doing is tryuing to graft a turkey’s head onto a duck’s body

nah just on freenode in general

Guerin well where is a good tutorial on how to install it?

and not just stuff a duck in a turkey

[Nige]: you’re putting unstabole packages into stable. It’s never going to work.

check /msg chanserv access #debian list

no

[Nige]: /msg dpkg xen

okay, so I should change to unstable then?

danke

i don’t use it myself
[Nige]: no.

go to freenote website, its mentioned there

i want the official reason why debian developer exclude openwebmail package

see the BTS

so go and look at the fucking bugreport

not those mail

see the BTS

i dont like the idea of giving up

re XEN and how to install on etch go to http://www.howtoforge.com

i thought you knew..

[Nige]: hell, no

yer thats what I was following
i believae anyways

[Nige]: there will be a way on stable, i just don’t knoiw it

openwebmail? not in debian i assume?

user1__, the reason is in the bug url i gave you

forgot that, its that often i need to know, usually RichiH is here

http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_from_debian_repository I have been following that guide

NOT*

[Nige]: if that guide told you to mix unstable and etch, the person who wrote it needs beaten with an axe handle

ya, i have never made it a point to remember

maybe i should follow the debian-etch install guide rather then do xen

now they are going to ask me why we use openwebmail in debian if it has bug

something with “staff” or similar, just visit freenode’s website

see the BTS

[Nige]: maybe you should familiarise yourself with your chose OS before trying to do extremely advanced things on it

you will find that fako at howtoforge will answer any posts within 24 hours

cydork told me already

whats bt

I have been playing with debian for a little

!tell user1__ -about bts

i am a ubuntu convert

anyone prepared stable and testing and have /etc/gshadow from stable and testing compared ?

but i want to play with debian some more

!praise [Nige]

forget it, i’ll just say, openwebmail is not in debian package system, so those fuckers who want to run it on debian must manually install it
bforget it, i’ll just say, openwebmail is not in debian package system, so those fuckers who want to run it on debian must manually install it/b

[Nige]: how is xen relevant to this?

i don’t know why they are so different…

now

well, that will list all chanops, but not staffer

becausei want to install xen on debian

!nickometer [Nige]

‘[Nige]‘ is 10.000% lame, liable

therefore i need not to explain why the fuck debian think openwebmail is vulnerable and should be removed

xen is ok but if you have a lot of probs i suggest vmware

right guys?

see the BTS

channel ops is all i was after

yer, but i dont think you can run vmware without a gui

ok

I want headless box

enough with the language unless your looking for a timeout

[Nige]: a quick look at that howto indicates that no unstable/sid gear is needed, so I don’t know where you fucked it up

I already have the jboss server hosting running samba and dns and dhcp

wykis take a lok here please http://www.pastebin.org/38

i want vmware running squid

ok
sorry

[Nige]: if you can back out all the changes you’ve made thus far, I recommend doing it again, and properly this time.

well virtual machine

[Nige]: fix sources.list first

i dont mind reinstall debian at all

[Nige]: well, thats a good idea

as i said, i am playing with a vmware session rather than F@King ona productions machien
i am smarter than screwing with a production machine

we all know its frustrating when bugs and issues affect your specific setup, but complaining like that just distances you more from the people your asking for help from, if that makes any sense
we all know its frustrating when bugs and issues affect your specific setup, but complaining like that just distances you more from the people your asking for help from, if that makes any sense

tell him to go see the bts if he asks again
hehehe
monitor now ff

you need to execute that file
not view it..

okay I will reinstall etch

[Nige]: read the install guide before you come back here.
[Nige]: especially the bit about how apt works.

[Nige]: you need in general 2 lines only

ok hanks as root just run sh ./alsaconf

[Nige]: one for the official mirror and one for security, not more
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib

user1__, if you bothered to read the url i pasted http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301561, you would learn how and why it is vulnerable, and it’s the reason it’s never been part of a stable release.

Hi

deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ testing main non-free
oh wrong
s/testing/etch/
deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ etch main non-free

okok i’m sure there is always one or more reasons for debian to exclude a package, but i have something better to do than reading that crap

this “crap” answer your question

it doesn’t matter to me really, if debian has it, i aptitude install it, otherwise, i dl source and install it myself

I have a program that I want to reserve 80% of the procesing power. I don’t want the kernel to manage the power dynamically, I want to arbitrarily dedicate that amount of CPU to the program. How can I do this?

so you come here expecting us to bear the burden of doing the hard part for you?

and then wait for your machine to get owned?

i don’t care this kind of developer’s crap, im not interest in developing this webmail thing nor debian packages system

so if you have better things to do than reading the answer to your question, why didn’t you have better things to do than fucking bother us about it?

also if I have a dual core, maybe I can dedicate one

im a user to set this ting up

it’s nothing to do with that, the program has huge security holes

i swear your mouth is worse than his!

i do not suffer fuckwits gladly.

how do i check what packages does a package required as depencies?
dependencies

packages.debian.org

i want to find those on system

apt-cache show package

you know, unix isn’t exactly known for being a user friendly os of the “…and the monkey flips the switch” variety

user1__, apt-cache show packagename

that package is no longer existing , it’s an old package that has been removed
no more maintainese
maintenence

well

tzdata in stable has just received an update. When I want to view the Changelog in aptitute it tells me that “You can only view changelogs of offical Debian packages.” Please explain?

kaluva, you are perhaps pulling it in thru volatile ?

Hm, lemme check

but unix hosting is an os for ppl to join an irc channel and ask around!
and got sweared at

no idea about aptitude, but zless /usr/share/doc/pkgname/changelog.Debian.gz

We only swear at obnoxious idiots and willful ignorants.

kaluva, it’s going to be in stable in the next pointrelease

dry your eyes princess, and toughen up

Shadur, and friends and family

Sure. I just like to look at Changelogs before installing the update.
Yeah, you’re right.

notice how most of the time that happens its because some user came into the channel throwing offensive words and comments around at people

yes i see the big picture certainly
the user, developer, ppl in this channel

just ignore him

nelf and Rune_ thx it works I can send it!, but minicom shows the status offline, but it works

*plonk*

unfortunately, i don’t ignore people, i ignore subnets and isp’s

user1__/metbsd has been acting the idiot for a while now

i have only ever ignored one person. it was that or get banned because he is such a tard

well that explains alot actually

sounds like a OP then

heh, not an op

Cool.

liable is The OP

good to know…

no ops for me! way to argumentative

is there a way to watch encrypted dvds in debian?

libdvdcss from videolan

/msg dpkg decss

xine (website) has a nice FAQ about

heh

http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236

thanks

if I had op’s, this channel would look like a warzone by the time I was done cleaning up all the non speaking idlers

^^

cant really ban someone for ideling, heck we all do that one for hours/days

heh, you do realise that its really all of us regulars that have 50 nicks each to make it look like a big important channel

stop giving away our secrets

!sssh
stupid bot

yes, but its also easy to tell the regulars from the people who come online with a new ip/nick/ident and have never registered a single messages for months or years
ssssh!
im only complaining to keep up the facade

just dont mention gag-balls

Hello everybody, I’m running sid with linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 and i’v installed the nvidia driver (m-a a-i nvidia) BUT I’v got some litlle black square at the top of my screens, is there a known bug, workaround … ?

guess noone know or it is not easy…
(about my question)
I just want a processor quota instead of nicing things
’cause nice is dynamic and I need an strict quota of CPU

hi

I have only one file in /usr/share/xsessions but a lot more sessions. Are there any other folders that contain sessions?

ulimit?

Hey
When installing debian from a netinst cd, how long should the “getting package list” from network repo take?
Mine seems to be stuck on 40% for about the past 20 minutes.

few seconds

depends on connection speed .. couple seconds

I tried to add my user to sudoers
it worked

8Mbit down

but sudo doesn’t ask for a password
is that normal

So, there is a problem there then

yes it semm to be that one.. although it look like I can set a limit for things I run on the system but I can’t erstrict the rest of the system..
But I’ll chek it thank you
did I type that?

how to get Linux send only 3 bytes, and not 4 ? I am enduring problems because it actually converts 012 into CRLF …

!brb

brb, too. Be Right Back

no that brb dpkg

are there other brbs ?
depends on your conf

I just copied the root line and replaced root with my username
damn Ubuntu set it up all by itself

and your current login is user?

-E perhaps instead?

not root?

do you have a NOPASSWD around ?

yes
what’s that?

bad bad

that’s it’s aim ^^

aim?

in /etc/sudoers
Ubuntu != Slak

Slak?
I’m using Debian. I was just comparing

*buntu = I don’t freaking care

NOPASSWD = No Password

-E would output 15 bytes instead or 3 …

Funny that

good point

ok what do I have to do then

just a guess, can this be sorted with setserial?

isn’t it dangerous if sudo doesn’t ask for a passwd?

funny, my town name is called “Villers-en-Arthies”

what about ‘ instead of “?

Hi all

about as dangerous as an admin not reading the docs

Need some help installing debian

u got me anyway.

ville is my real name and it’s french for town

?

it’s a finnish boy name really

lol

so what do I have to do

yes, “of”

man sudoers

Defaults targetpw ALL ALL = (ALL) ALL

I am French

someone could help?

is that a taa then?
as in thank you it worked? or no it didnt?

Remove the NOPASSWRD bit

NOPASSWD bad

won’t icedove be security updated in etch?

just ask the real question

Err, no R in it

if there’s a breach, yes

i’m trying to install debian on an old laptop

there are

I did the test, and it outputs 15 chars as I expected; I want 3 !

acer tm 525TE

It’s good for specific programs, but not as a complete user

*shock*
indeed.

isn’t “user ALL=(ALL) ALL” fine?

with no potions on netinstall i come to an error

even with -ne ‘……’? ok just making sure what you were saying no to

im using cups and samba. and i have a little problem in printer class status in windows when i paused the class it shows the printer status not the printer class status anyone have an idea how to fix that?

I don’t have nopasswd in sudoers

i just wish etch had thunderbird 2.x

you should not touch Ubuntu defaults; you may not be able to log in as root anymore …

together with NOPASSWD is just stupid

and then i could stop packaging upstream binaries for our site of all that mozilla crap software that others (but me) want to use

ass this line too: Defaults targetpw

I don’t have the word NOPASSWD in sudoers

it will alow anyone to sudo but with the passwd

oh nm heh, i keep mentally visualizing that your device is interpreting the escapes or soemthing sry heh

also note that sudo asks password only once per 5mn … what means, you type it once for long time … I mean, maybe your actual settings do require a password, even if you are not asked to type it every time (5mn counter is local to terminal )

Then you should be getting a password prompt the first time you use sudo in ten minutes

I am having the bug with Linux sending to PIC; PIC was complaining “too many bytes received”, and, HP48 reports the same number of bytes than the PIC

lol I’m so used to Ubuntu. It asked for a password once in every terminal emulator/emulator’s tab

in english, what 3 bytes do you need to send?
not sure why you would be getting 3 with that

i get a error hdc lost interrupt

is there another folder besides /usr/share/xsessions that contains xsessions?

echo -ne “100012100″ | wc -c gives me 3 here

I dont “need” any thing; I just want that when I send 012, it only send THIS, and not #0Dh #0Ah …
I gave you compleet command; this means, problem lays in serial driver !

stty /dev/ttySX. isnt there a auto cr/lf option?

where can I change which xsession will be used by startx?

do you want osciloscope photo as proof ? this ****** problem is ****** my day

but serial has many options i thought
what do your stty -F /dev/ttyS0 show for options?

speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel
this is not the apropriate command to ask for this feature

good morning. is it save to install j2re1.4_1.4.2.03-1_i386.deb to etch stable?
^^from http://www.blackdown.org

hardware or something?

pools – non-free

setserial dont say either what we need
local terminal: speed 38400 baud; line = 240; lnext = undef; min = 1; time = 0; -icrnl -icanon -echo

is that the stty of the terminal your echoing from?

Y

-crnl?

where can I change which xsession will be used by startx?

wouldnt that map your 012?

?
hmmm …

sec, gotta check something

I understand what you mean … I ll test it

Viva Linux

jajaja VIVA if i get it installed

?macaronesico

can i have your irc logs?

macaronesico, what u need?

!u

Damnit Jim! It’s YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for ‘you’ (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201

i just get to the guiinstall
my cdrom driver will not be recognized

worst case, do the test with minicom and send the alt+scan manually and test with the scope. i find minicom tends to give me a clean connection without all the stty junk from vt getting in the way

neither my ethernet card
installing from netinstall
etch

I broke my port, nothing comes out since I tried -icanon

on Acer TM 525TE

laptop

yup

is it supported

macaronesico, and u have it detected?

or have you booted with acpi=off option
or something like that

hmm, im a newbe

me too

i started with no options, just gui
with acpi=off i get a kernel panic

oh.. normally i always got something like that without it

what im hazy on is what happens when your doing echo’s from a tty to a serial when the tty has odd settings that don’t match the serial. i would assume you would need to match baud and settings of ttyS0 no?

hi all

hi lla

when I start my pc

hi

I enter into a shell
rather than a login screen
why
it shows sh-3.1

i will retry with acpi=off

do you have gdm,kdm… installed nayana

cat /proc/cmdline, curious, did you get a busybox initrd shell? sry, dont know the exact look of it off top of my head

XtypeWriter74, gdm installed
as well as kdm
MangosDebian,
yes

read the logs: serial and local term do not have the same settings. After playing with all options, I now got it working: srial sends again, and 012 is now only one. Thanks for tip. Now need to know what is the minimal command to get this result after reboot :s

XtypeWriter74, what needs to be done

what did you change anyways? serial still somewhat a hit and miss with me

everytime I restart gdm

before: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel
now : speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel

does it trouble if one installs kdm and gdm?

?
thats the same lol

oh

hell, it’s the same :s

why the names

well, least you have the same issue i have lol. voodoo!

cdrom detected !!

check your tty too in case it changed? by chance, did you run minicom once?

error, I repaste:
before: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel

What motherboard chipset are you using ?

now : speed 9600 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel -opost -isig (but there are too much, I should not have try RAW )

so is your system fully starting? or not? srry, not sure what you meant by just “yes”

MangosDebian, system starts fully

I dont run Minicom before 3 days consecutive problems, cause it usually add more …

but a warning of power-manager is shown
as dbus needs to be started

Hi all
how could I install mkinitrd command with debian packages?
I’m used to do mkinitrd -o /boot/vmlinuz /lib/modules/….

almost sounds like your system is starting in runlevel single or something. what does: cat /proc/cmdline show?

try lspci -nn from a shell

i don’t know what motherboard chipset… Acer Travelmate 525TE

MangosDebian,

How new is it ?

i think its 7 years old
700Mhz

MangosDebian, root=/dev/sda9 splash=silent vga=791

but i still dont have a shell, im installing ( i think)

what does: runlevel report?

?intel?

yup pentium III
i just saw the sticker
its a donated pc

apparantly you can install if you use the pci=off boot parameter (after the first boot don’t use it anymore)

anyone who knows this please?

MangosDebian, N 2

You need to use a full install cd as pci=off disables the network card

how to install mkinitrd on debian?

“stty -F /dev/ttyS1 raw” seems ok

negative
i use netinstall

well, i suppose your best bet is to stty to reset it to raw and then stty to the needed settings in rc.local perhaps?

with acpi=off
and it gets my cdrom and ethernet configured
im just downloading packets

what does the word “uninstallable” mean, not able to install , or able to uninstall?

with apt-cache mkinitrd

does not exist

search^

only exists Yaird
on etch unless

yeah

no Debian atm, but, startup process has no secret for me. Problem is to know what to type.

If I do apt-cache search mkinitrd does not appear this
only yaird

well, perhaps its related to that dbus or something. I dont know anything about it or what else might be causing your sh shell then. sry

what command shuts down the computer?

halt

halt -p

shutdown
AMAZING BUT TRUE

well, start with raw and add options til you get it working no?

halt -hip, will shutdown an ATX supply the hard way

shutdown: command not found
halt: command not found

id

http://yaird.alioth.debian.org/yaird.htmlRamattack

bee root
s/ee/e

/sbin/halt (sbin never in USER PATH, cause user dont need super commands )

what graphical interface you use for webdesign, if any uses it for it??

root dont have sbin in PATH if accessed through sudo bash (remember, he is on Ubuntu )

firefox
he’s on ubuntu?
you’re on ubuntu?

from memory, he “was”

does that fit for you ?

not vanksi, viller !

yehyeh

1) viller: lol I’m so used to Ubuntu. It asked for a password once in every terminal emulator/emulator’s

wtf
stupid sudo-using ubuntards

hehe

lol

!spank sudo

if you’re going to use a dumb blanket policy, at least UNDERSTAND how it works

whats wrong with using sudo ?

Incidently is there a way to set which so that it also searches /sbin /usr/sbin (perhaps aliasing it to something else – whence?)

nothing, as long as you UNDERSTAND it

“which” being the command

set the PATH variable appropriately

hi all
http://pastebin.com/d3706397c
4 file named[5387]: client 192.168.0.89#1059: view internal: query (cache) ‘us.bc.yahoo.com/A/IN’

tell #dns

how do I fix this

But then I have those directories in my PATH (and I don’t want that)
(for sudo I can use – zstyle ‘:completion:*:sudo:*’ command-path /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin \ /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /bin

set it temporarily – alias swhich=”PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH which”

I had been asking both in #bind and #dns but no response

for one of a million possible ways
good luck, then.
you’re getting that output where?

syslog

it might be you just have logging set too sensitive
it’s been years since I looked at a bind config though

Good idea (looking in the wrong places) thanks

my LAN unable to perform the query
I had set the match client 192.168.0.0/24
and it should perform the query

oh, right
i didn’t see the `denied’
why not just allow any client?

is recursion on

it’s not like it burns resources, or is a security risk.

recursion yes;
I got two view

and the match clients is for your internal view?

that means nothing to me
oh

view internal and view external

i see

yes

beyond my sk1lz thenm

gives different answers according to the address of the client

yeh, i grok

when you’re in X, why does fgconsole fail with “Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console” unless run as root?

it accept the query but return denied

i have: acl internals { 127.0.0.0/8; 10.0.0.0/16; }; , and view “internal” {match-clients { internals; };
and it works fine

My bind9 config is: http://pastebin.com/d3706397c

does named-checkconf think its ok?

never tried that

rndc querylog toggles verbose logging

got nothing
I ran both rndc querylog toggles verbose logging and named-checkconf and it return nothing at all

hi
if i want to uninstall vmware what is the command

tail syslog

you mean after running what?

rndc querylog
also, you’ll want to tell named-checkconf which file to check

I got verbose output in syslog
and can also see the denied

you have lwresd installed too or something?

other queries work ok?

?
my dmz able to resolve
my dmz is at 192.168.2.0/24

you have lwresd installed too or something?

sorry I don’t get you

I only ask cause: named[5387]: client 192.168.0.89#1059:….
i assume thats src port though

named-checkconf named.conf result nothing as well

was just wondering if you had some sort of caching ns that wasnt restarted or something odd, cause I cant see anything wrong with yout conf either :/

ok

right, you could try, for the sake of it, putting 192.168.0.0/16 in your internal view

hmm, client from a 192.168.0.0/24 but your not listing on that ip?

yes
my bind9 is listening at 192.168.2.19
I mean the eth0 ip for bind9 is 192.168.2.19
so

ya nm

1 file named[3425]: client 192.168.0.74#1081: view internal: query (cache) ’stats.update.microsoft.com/A/IN’

are you using a forwarder?

forwarders {};

that or are you using root servers in any other conf?

I had paste my conf
and that’s are all

could you try commenting out the listen-on line

well, i assume your hint is the root server list and up to date?

he says it works for on subnet
s/on/one/

the external view is working

the external view doesnt do recursion, tho

192.168.2.0/24 where my bind9 in it working

When I run an apt-get update, I get a : W: GPG error: http://mirror.eftel.com stable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
Anyone know the cause?

view external recursion no
view internal recursion yes

whats your root.cache look like?

I don’t have one

does the box have an interface for 192.168.0.0 or.. ?

no

you dont have one what?

so, how do those clients reach that box?

a /etc/bind/int/root.cache?

I don’t have the root.cache file

!?

sec

how do you expect to get dns if you dont prime root servers or use forwarding?

ok I got that in int

your box has no idea where to ask for dns otherwise

yes I got that

can you paste it plz?

wow that’s long
sec

should only be 45lines or so

did you try changing the acl like i said?

unless your primting it with cache dns and not root servers

http://pastebin.com/d7d3fb39c

isnt this moot if it works for some clients?

I don’t think I got acl

the match clients statement

his master zones arent the same though

how do I have one? where can I append?

i suggested changing it to 192.168.0.0/16

ahh ok, looks fine. just worried you were using some cache dns for your hint and no root servers. skip that idea then

how the line gonna be?

remove 192.168.0.0/24; and change 192.168.2.0/24; to 192.168.0.0/16;

any reason why?

it doesnt seem to be allowing queries from 192.168.0.x

I got many LAN users here

ok?

if I put /16 it gonna limit my no of users?

no

ok
let me try
same
denied

you restarted bind?

sure I did
let me try to remove bind and reinstall it back

i wouldnt bother doing that

heh

ya

try commenting out the listen-on line

in which view

it cant be that though

its not in a view
gah
theres only one listen on line

we know 1) the netmask is fine cause of the error and 2) its hitting the view match

ok
comment listen-on
let me try

hi. how do i rename all files in a dir from foo.jpg in foo_.jpg?

double check the syslog perhaps and look for typos in your paths to root.cache and file permissions etc

!rename
hmm

although thats a shot in the dark more than anything :/

!kill dpkg

same

ah, it’s a bot command

I had comment listen-on and it results same

man rename

cydork, okay, i am on it

What’s the ssl certificate file? I can’t seem to find apache2-ssl-certificate on this system?

make-ssl-cert

Thanks

it cant be listen-on if named is telling you about the cached request and the view it matched. its not the matching code thats causing this. have you tried a new dns that wouldnt be cached yet just in case its cache related?

what does s/\.bak// mean?

let me try

Still getting command not found …

you perhaps need to install it

hmm, but you did restart bind so it shouldnt be that. when you restart bind, what does syslog say? nothing special?

same

i mean s/\.bak$// mean?

Oh, right, I overlooked openssl.deb

basically find the string .bak and delete it

Cheers

so s means delete it?

no, it’s substitute

i think its in ssl-cert

substitute .bak with nothing?

Has anybody used Openoffice on AMD64 yet?

Thanks

probably

antgel, what are all the / and \ about?

I am switching to AMD64 mode today. I am tired of this 32-bit bullshit.

http://pastebin.com/d326d39b6

I heard for a long time the code wasn’t 64-safe.

that’s my syslog upon restarting bind9

man sed
so maybe not

argh

antgel, will look it up

it will remove the “.bak” extension from files.

cydork, i noticed this by testing the command. i want to adapt it for my purpose. but found now answer in man sed. the command is s/string/string/modus

ow’s it possible that temperature readings works fine in kernel 2.6.22.1 but only thermal zone is shown in kernel 2.6.23 ? (via-686a-9191)

in 2.6.22 my SATA controller doesn’t fucking work

http://pastebin.com/d36455d42

clear

I just reinstall my bind9
and getting this error http://pastebin.com/d36455d42

huh? to rename foo.jpg to foo_.jpb you need ’s/\.jpg$/_.jpg/’

yes, i know

Stopping domain name service…: bindrndc: connection to remote host closed

everything works nice in 22 poorly in 23

ok sec
allow-recursion vs. recursion

ok ok
I forget to putback the rndc.key

recursion doesnt allow adding new stuff to cache (ie: new stuff) it seems. “it only prevents new data from being cached as an effect of client queries”. Then they say “So we now use: allow-query-cache…” for that
http://www.webservertalk.com/message1922973.html

XtypeWriter74, thanks a lot truthly mates
see you!
bye

what should I look for
do you want me to change any line of my named.conf?

look at the “Kal Feher” post
try use allow-recursion instead of just recursion i think is what they are saying in your view
the whole thread seems to go over what your dealing with though. hope that helps

ok
so instead of having recursion yes; I should use allow-recursion; ?

although it doesnt explain why its only trying to use the cache when clearly the host you query werent cache *shrug*
ya, try it
or optionally, since its just cache denied, perhaps: allow-query-cache {} in your view since its loclnets and localhost acls by default

‘/etc/bind/named.conf:7: ‘{‘ expected near ‘;’

hi, i am using etch on an acer aspire notebook. It has a crystal eye webcam. How can i configure it to work on etch? do i need to install some non-etch stuff for that?

Hi, I have some machines on a NIS domain. Is there someway to centralize Printers, instead of defining them on every client ?!

put in the hosts from match-clients, same syntax

you mean inside the match-clients {}?

ya, i think its an acl not a boolean, i can check manual though if you give a sec

‘/etc/bind/named.conf:7: undefined ACL ‘allow-recursion’

ya, its an acl
same format as match-clients, dont miss anything

“cron[31938]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 00007fff8305b4e8 error 14″. This happens each and everytime cron has something to do. I ran it through strace and got this: http://pastebin.ca/642903. Etch AMD64

ok
yes!
thank you man

gah
any eta on nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 being .22?

np. might want recursion yes; in there too. not sure if they are mutually exclusive though. hard to tell by the wording
well, try resolve something locally on the server just in case. perhaps with and without it

I just restarted my server ahaks! I will add the recursion yes as well

what version of debian are you using?

lenny
I am using unstable

also, try allow-query-cache instead of allow-recursion, and put recursion yes; back in. im thinking you only really ever needed allow-query-cache
lenny is testing not unstable

i must take note of that change for when i upgrade..

ops sorry
I am using unstable

guess that explains why ive never had it. i only recall ever using allow-recursion in my setups

MangosDebian so I just change allow-recursion with allow-query-cache?

ya, try that, and put back in recursion yes; curious if thats all you needed. and restart to flush the cache

done that and it works

i only suggest that since the error was specifically a cache denied, and thats what allow-query-cache seems to be for if you follow me.
test localhost for the bind box queries too. don’t want something to break

ok

i can’t remove a package, dpkg keeps dying

paste it?

can you try to use my dns

whats your ip?

I guess I can’t resolve from outside

http://rafb.net/p/dVKrgN13.html

ns.azrb.com

you shouldnt be able too
sec

are you running stable?

or 60.49.246.154

;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 12371

Nope

I am running bind9 for internal and external

up-to-date amd64 sid

some1 knows why make modules sometimes recompiles all and sometimes only new added features ?

i know, but you dont WANT to resolve anything else for external. only answer queries for your dns

so you’re expected to know what to do i recommend you report the bug though – it’s not in the BTS
uso you’re expected to know what to do i recommend you report the bug though – it’s not in the BTS/u

*column

Hor|zon, not quite what I mean. Only one image is displayed at a time. But when the next image is displayed in it’s place, then it could have a different width.
Hor|zon, just trying to understand

text-align will align center it
joseAway, give #navigation and #content both a width and float them and it should work

Hor|zon, I got that. thanx

but that’s if you want a fixed width page, if you want a fluid page
there are other ways

I don’t want the content floated, I want it centered

joseAway, set padding-left on #page the width of the navigation
then give #navgiation a negative left margin the size of the padding
hmm wait
yeah that should do
I guess
that will center it in the space available
0 auto;

How would I get the navbar to hover above the header in IE 7? http://www.pruloo.com/

navigation is within #page…
not sure why I did that, acutlaly
*actually

joseAway, yes it is within #page
I know
what I said still stands

Hrm. Does that only work with pixel widths?
The navigation is 10em wide, but em depends on the font size

em will work too

Well, it diesn’t appear centered here… in fact, now the problem is in ff as well

hi

put it back the way it was before you tried to do what I told you

done

then add this to the bottom of the stylesheet
#page { padding-left: 10em;}
#page div#navigation { width: 10em; margin-left: -10em;}
that should do it

for what xhtml elements is the “name” attribute allowed?

it doesn’t quite work

the name attribute is deprecated

Can I post a screenshot?

the name attribute cannot be deprecated…
how would forms work?

for arbitrary elements
like img
and frame
I think it’s deprecated for them

I was asking for a list of the elements it’s allowed on
I am having trouble finding this
but all the w3c talks about is fragment identifiers
that is not what I am using names for

wouldn’t that be in the dtd?
joseAway, it does, unless the stylesheet you’re using is different from the one that’s a the address you posted
at*

it might be

anyways that was just a quick check to see if it works, after you make sure it works put them in the right places in the file
instead of creating more declarations

Well, Hor|zon, it doesn’t work. I uploaded the new stylesheet
I want it centered below the logo (large gray bit) in the viewport
I want it centered below the logo (large gray bit) in the viewport

it works here in firefox and ie6
oh
you can’t because the grey bit is centered for the entire page
meaning it can go where navigation is
but obviously the content can’t

aesthetically, centering it in the space to the right of the navigation looks like crap

what you can do is add padding-right: 10em; to #content
to offset it
back to where it would be without the navigation
whilst still not letting it overlap the navigation when the window is too small
I guess
ah but the the background moves
can’t you set the background color on the table?

Hor|zon, I have another question. I have a div with an img and an ul, how can I display these in one line and centered horizontally?

are there any block elements in the ul?

(i’ll have to read up what is and what isn’t)
ulliaspan

block ?

inline;
otherwise no

inline
then set text-align on the parent

Anyone know what validation how to validate it if someone leaves it blank, but then validate it if they enter in something
?

i’ve read that sentence three times now
hehe

only 3?

ok so I have a “homepage” field…it can be left blank if the user wants to
but if they do enter something in to it, I want to validate it as a URL
problem is, if it’s blank it’s not validating

css isn’t really concerned with form validation

I don’t want that
ahhhh!!!

:]

wrong chan, sorry guys

at least that little hint was all that was needed
you’d be surprised how much you havr to _convince_ people in here that they’re in the wrong channel
have*

Hor|zon, thanx

grouphug

lol, no

hehe
`v nnn0.net/mangle.cgi
RTFS !
Happybot !
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\o

hey

hello

hey

Is this a place where I can ask for some css advice?

yep
I found the problem with the migratory content

migratory content…

yep, it went south in ie6

did you want to ask something…?

I did, thanks for asking, but I figured it out.

Man.
IE is damn picky.
I took the time to try to web dev at work, because we use Windows, and I was having the most annoying time trying to get IE to render stuff.

it’s just the opposite, same result :p
have a doctype declaration?

yes.
It’s VALID.

I didn’t ask if it’s valid

I got so far but I still couldn’t get it to do some stuff.

paste the first three lines

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN” “http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd“
html xmlns=”http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml” xml:lang=”en” lang=”en”
There’s supposed to be a line break there but the paste broke.

nothing before that?

reisio, why would there be something before that?

takes all kinds
take it that’s a no?

yup
nothing before it

paste?

http://tonybox.net/~spyroboy/portfolio.html
@http://tonybox.net/~spyroboy/portfolio.html

(tonybox.net/~…) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/269sbe ) | CSS: Valid [7 warnings] ( http://tinyurl.com/2rh4f5 ) | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1)

$

$?

give it a moment

magic :O

Hehe.

$
or not

http://paste.css-standards.org/21513

so what’s the problem?

reisio, IE doesn’t render it properly.
Open it up in FFox and then IE, if you have IE that is.
I run kvm to get IE.

yeah…can you elaborate?

Well, I’m going to have to start KVM to reload it.
reisio, the left column is UNDER the right column.
Almost the correct horizontal position

which is floated?

The left column is moved to the right a bit too much and it’s right after the end of the right column
Right is floated.

which is first in source?

I tried floating both, left only, and right only.
reisio, right.

so what’s the problem?

oops
stupid right-click paste

joseAway, welcome to Windows.

try * { overflow-x: hidden !important; } at the bottom of your CSS

Alright.

actually, blame putty

Also, element:before { content:”x”; } never works.
joseAway, I blame windows.

fair enough
do you have ie6?

do you have a ping pong ball?

not any more

yeah IE doesn’t support :before

Actually, I think I do
Now I’ve got to check

reisio, what?! that’s absurd :/

yes

Bbleating.

http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ – at 800×600, I want the div#content to display right of the navigation, but I don’t know how I’d do that. Prevent it from trying to center and such

Align=”center” doesnt work with xhtml Strict. What should I use in CSS to replace this? Text-align: center; doesnt really give me the outcome I’m looking for

;google dorward centre @ Wips

http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/

I’m working on a template and have a quick problem with calendar listing. The php script will have to check if there is a event on that day and make the day number a link ,so here I have a part of the template scheme where {DAY} will be replaced with the day number: http://laptop0.alkos333.net/nsco/calendar/html/week.tpl.html and I have to figure an efficient to make the day number a link. My current plan is to have {LINK}{DAY}{/
LINK} and replace the link with the actual html link tags, but that will force me to have html in the php code, which I would rather not do.

joseAway, what problem do you still have?

I want it to move to the edge of div#navigation and stop

yes it does that

margin-left

take the background color off of ‘content
#content*
and put it on the table

or um…are you using ‘position’? You don’t need to be

ah, yeah that would make sense. Didn’t occur to me

lol joseAway I did say so earlier

hi

but.. what about pages that don’t have a table in the center?

http://appnano.com/newsite/index.php — the “Lorem Ipsum” content (in DIV with ID “main”) should all be juxtaposed to the links on the left of it (“about” and “news”)… being uniform, but for some reason this isn’t working out… any
ideas?

‘lo wfq

joseAway, take the navigation out of page, set the padding on body instead and then you can leave the background color on #content

Hey.

hey carz

Basically… the links are floated left, and the content is not floated at all…
All positioned static… the problem is that the content flows AROUND the links, instead of being strictly to the right of them.
Any ideas on how to fix that problem?

er… and do I need a negative 10em margin-left on the navigation and logo?

joseAway, yes
hmmm let me get the page up again

bugger. -10em margin on the logo doesn’t really work

joseAway, set width to 100%
on the logo
so it stretches properly

Any ideas about my question?

or not

em

it should work with -10em

margin on content equal to width of links

joseAway, well really this was just so you didn’t need another wrapper inside #page
but I guess you could use one…

]lametextwrap % reisio
`lametextwrap
]lametextwrap

lametextwrap: http://scottonwriting.net/sowblog/posts/2272.aspx

wrap #content in a div I guess

kay…

joseAway, do you want that lighter blue background color to stretch all the way across the page with the table centered?
or do you want the lighter blue like it is now?
all the way across except for behind the navigation I mean

is there a way to apply css to all h1 and h2 of a certain class? (but not other elements of that class)

h1.class, h2.class {STUFF}

is there a difference between h1 .class and h1.class?

h1 .clas emans any elements within h1 that have the class
means*

okay

space means descendant

thank you very much

well, eventually I want to stretch that table all the way down the page
but baby steps first

joseAway, I mean, right now the blue background only takes up a little width…I was wondering if you wanted it to stretch all the way across starting from the right edge of the navigation

Still there?

yup

I want the center column (div#content) to be a fixed width, not stretching all the way across

There is no FIXED width on the links… what should i do in that case?

joseAway, ok, so what I said works right? adding a wrapper div around #content
call it #content-wrapper or something
and then take the width and margin from #content and give it to it
instead
wait,,,
it’s doing that because you removed #page ?
why?
why did you remove it I mean
you’re supposed to put padding-left: 10em; on it remember?
and I thought you did

I want it to move to the edge of div#navigation and stop —– it does that except you removed #page

put it back
..
or is there something else?

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilchilee.com%2F
anyone know how to kill those 3 unprintable characters ?

hmm…open it in a unix and remove everything before the star (new line and all) and retype the leading comment ?
tried that?

ok I’ll try adding page back
here’s the photoshop mockup vs firefox vs ie
http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ps_ff_ie.jpg

joseAway, so the problem is with the ie one?
if you want the content column to stretch all the way down
then you need to layout the page like this
]fullheight

DECENT: http://phrogz.net/CSS/valign_in_body/block.html LAME: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/

anyone that can help me with this menu
http://extraordinary.nu/i/uh.gif
it has to switch when i click on some of it…
cant get any idea how to do this

]listamatic @ rimad

listamatic: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/

Lots of things would be so easy if people implemented all the properties
and did it correctly

you’re asking for too much
give it a decade
things will be better

ha
should I just give up now on getting the column borders to extend to the bottom?

I gave you the links
]fullheight

DECENT: http://phrogz.net/CSS/valign_in_body/block.html LAME: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/

That won’t do anything for the column borders

what are you talking about…

http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ps_ff_ie.jpg – the column borders extend do the bottom. Borders on the table columns. the white lines
* to

and? height: 100%; should work
on the table
well, it works when I think about it in my head :p
try it and see

‘k
gah
well, I thought I did it as described on that page, but apparently not

hey guys trying to work out how to heirachy works. say i have #header { } and .home . they both set backgrounds, .home is to override the default background div id=”header” class=”home”. i can’t get .home to override #header’s props

]specificity @ bob_sinclair

there isn’t anything there before the /* in the page

CSS gives priority to the most specific selector

]css specificity @ bob_sinclair

css specificity: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#specificity

IDs are more specific than classes

ah right

is why beginners use all classes

this must be a server setting

not sure how to do it if the id and the class need to use background:

bob_sinclair, #id.class {stuff}

I uploaded my attempt at full page height, can you have a look?

frb-work, I tried retyping the top on my computer, see if that gets rid of it http://download.yousendit.com/B3B7C07916F9AD2F

oh yeah thanks

joseAway, I have to go right about now, sorry

damn
well, thanks for the help

lol i forgot you can do that

lol cyas

hi, can anyone check if that works in ie please? http://med.musictotheirears.com/newsdesk. The more link is not working neither safary nor iexplorer but yes in firefox.

works how?
what is it supposed to do?

I mean you get the text down and up
I am getting problems and I have no idea what is happening
can your browser recognizes more as link?

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/07/27/css-specificity-things-you-should-know/

I don’t know if this is the css or the html

works in ie6

joseAway, thank you. Now I have to check some one in safary or ie7

I can do both
well, the ie6 looks odd
compared to ie7
it hides all of the first news post

ufffffffffff
I have no idea what is going on

Well, I don’t either :]

can you have any hint that I can follow?

need help.. can u pls open this on firefox and tell me why the phone image host on the right goes out of the div?

ie6 has broken my mind

http://edit.dev.watertaxis.keysoft.com.au/

@

(edit.dev.wate…) HTML: Failed (11 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2×42ff ) | CSS: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/2ot23a ) | DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html; charset=UTF-8)

joseaway how can I check my errors? writing my url here

use @http://yoururl

@http://med.musictotheirears.com/newsdesk

(med.musictoth…) HTML: Failed (10 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2opdoe ) | CSS: Failed (11 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2vrrpm ) [128 warnings] | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Trans + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html;
charset=UTF-8)

yeah that would do it

how can i extend the blue background on my menu column all the way to the bottom?
http://edit.dev.watertaxis.keysoft.com.au/

zoolander, http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
i’m not sure if that is the best solution, but it works

@http://med.musictotheirears.com/newsdesk

(med.musictoth…) HTML: Failed (6 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2opdoe ) | CSS: Failed (11 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2vrrpm ) [128 warnings] | DOCTYPE: XHTML 1.0 Trans + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html;
charset=UTF-8)

If IE ever required a theme song, I’ve found it.
Fix Me by Velvet from Fix Me (CDS) [01:01/03:07|224kbps]

hi
ive managed to get my faux column working
i think

also works?

im tryin to set left+ight images for my faux columns, but the img wont repeat

none;, how do you degrade that for people who don’t have javascript enabled?

with faux columns working ,should my background image DIV be able to touch the footer ? its not repeating the img
relative; /*** IE needs this ***/
can anyone explain why pls?

I want to vertical align 2 pictures on the bottom of a css-container. But Vertical-align doesnt do the job, and I don’t want to go   .. What can I do?
/server -m eu.undernet.org
ops

is there any other way to do it besides having a faux columns?

do wat?
am having probs with faux columns

http://edit.dev.watertaxis.keysoft.com.au/
see the menu bg that cannot go down to the very bottom

bottom: 0 with relative or absolute positioning

my div doesnt stretch to the bottom of its container DIV = no repeating background image

anyone cares to make my head stop hurting?
http://extraordinary.nu/layout.html
looks screwed in IE
it works on every other browser damn it

thats why you require faux columns

mine aint working lol

anyone? anyone at all?
*puppy eyes*

try adding widths. it might needs widths, thus why its not rendering
sweet as

on all elements in that line?

|LEFT| CONTENT |RIGHT| LEFT+RIGHT require background-repeat: repeat-y; wrapper DIV works but it displays LEFT COLUMNS image + i cant set a RIGHT Background image

add width and height to the elements that seem to need it like the tabs
i know that if you don’t ’stuff’ up the css from http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ it always works
but basically putting a repeating backround-image on body works

ive done that but
left column background image works with repeat-y
but there is non for the right column

style type=”text/css”banner {text-align: center}/style

the only other way i could think of would be to make a background publish your images online the width of the Container DIV

the style does not seem to work

thats why am here, need help

element.

im not sure how you would do faux which requires liquid and two cols repeated

can i make one?

gpled, what are you using HTML?

wat about another way ?

i can
yes

if only my left + Right DIV’s would be the same size as the content div

bob_sinclair, same thing

yeah you can add the colum in the image if its fixed, but liquid, don’t know how to do it
oh the joys

or something more semantic

infact

gpled

the other liquid about my site is

And just where the hell is my bot!

the content height will differ throughout + the left +right columns must just match the content height
left+right are fixed pixels

gpled

so is content infact
duh!

I want to vertical align 2 pictures on the bottom of a css-container. But Vertical-align doesnt do the job, and I don’t want to go   .. What can I do?
css-container/css-block ..I dunno what you call it

]css align bottom @ Wips

.parent{position: relative;} .element{position: absolute; bottom: 0;}

absolute positioning and bottom: 0

is it possible to have my 3 Div’s on the same line without floating them?

MaWanna, yes! But why?

display: inline ?

LEFT content RIGHT

What’s wrong with floats?

thast the layout ignoring the header etc
got display inline on

…

not sure

there is going to be caveats here MaWanna

am jus tryin to think of any way to get this working
wat?
:s

its not going to work this way

MaWanna

ive got them float:left + right
its that bloody background image
or left + right DIV height

What’s wrong with it?
]note

you will get helped faster if you will provide an actual link to the troublesome page

the height of the left+right column dont match the content column , which is causing my left bg image + right bg image NOT to repeat to the bottom of the content DIV

MaWanna, got link?

gonna see if my bravenet hosting works
ill get it up

MaWanna

lol ive read them 2 last week
bollocks, cant rember login

MaWanna, got FTP?

yeah

should i just use div class?

gpled, div is a block level element. span is an inline level element.

http://paste.css-standards.org/21532

guh
MaWanna, why are you using XHTML?

:s

And why are you wrapping everything into divs?

oh god :s
something ive learnt

— OH GOD!

this XHTML thing has lost me, shudnt i ?

MaWanna, I don’t know how you made this sequence of characters, but that’s not code. You need to rewrite it.

thats in mine ?
li class=”li1″ ?

eh, nevermind.. Hell knows where WebDeveloper got that from :/
paste.css-standards.org–

am there again
or wasnt that a direction

MaWanna, ok, what’s the problem?

see left + right columns
i want them the same height as the middle

Have you looked at your paste yourself?

in firefox u cant see the right red box
yeah
with ie
and firefox as of now

I don’t see your right column.

same here in firefox, ie6 does though grr

relative everywhere?

i would probably try to learn some more fundamentals to help understand
yep like positioning

bob told me to position :p

MaWanna, and why did you position?
MaWanna, what does it do?

bugger all in this case

thats because you wanted to valign bottom effectively

i removed it but then undid
trying to get my RIGHT column to show in firefox now
u said why am i using xhtml? am i not supposed to be? :s

MaWanna

HTML 4.01

i wouldn’t worry about which html host is being used atm

Oh really?

means am going from the complete go

I would worry about that right from the beginning.

makes me feel shitty now

MaWanna, well, you are doing everything the wrong way anyhow…

the beginning has already past

MaWanna, write your content first.. everything.. all the markup. Then code CSS.

is there a layout tutorial/article that matches the layout model he wants, Zoffix?

#site_info_table tr:hover{background: #fff;}

its a .php file its going to get its content from a database

bob_sinclair

is there something special I need to do to get this to work?

i don’t need it…

Vme, in what browser?

IE

Vme, what IE

so if i want to be doing my own elements, i should be doing it in xml?

latest
7.0

i meant a specific link

i was trying to make the layout of each box for my data from my db

bob_sinclair, I gave you specific links.

Your answer positioned the two images at the way bottom of the page, not in the bottom of the .parent

which one matches his model?

bob_sinclair

.parent{position: relative;} …….

I know
didnt help

You are lying.

Why would I

Because it does help. You just did it wrong.

I can try again, but I’m very sure I used that
ok, what’s wrong?

How would I know?

match your desired layout to one in a link that zoffbot gives you and use that…

isnt theat cheating?

what would you be cheating?

I have 2 links, which include 1 images each. they are in a , which is in a div(the layout). Which is the .parent and which is the .element for this to work then?

no offense but you havent exactly been reading the resources given to learn and not cheat. i just thought that something off the shelf might help

i understand, am confused
all this knowledge wont go in

Wips, http://www.zoffix.com/new/to-page-bottom.html
]positioning @ Wips

An absolutely-positioned element is positioned relative to the nearest positioned ancestor (i.e., other than static, the default) containing it at any nesting depth.

well if you knew the basics it wouldn’t be cheating because you’d be given new ideas on how to use certain properties by trying the layouts in the links
..

Wips, parentyour_thing_aka_element/parent

ah thats the problem then

I understand that

ive been learning css for 2 weeks lol
but alot isnt staying in my head

“alot” isn’t a word.

now i find i shudnt be using xhtml, blows my head

hmm at week 2 I was…learning how much I hate ie

MaWanna, learn HTML first. What’s the point of CSS if you can’t speak HTML? CSS doesn’t run over crap.

MaWanna

Hor|zon|Away

would it make any difference that my page was .php file still using xthml when i shudnt?

.

Hor|zon|Away

gonna read this tomorrow when ihave time

…..

samed in .txt
saved

but, is the a, or div(the layout) the parent? Thats what I dont understand, I understand what you mean by .parent and .element thing

never seen that command before…
handy
haha and the first link leads to a time portal back to 1994

auto on a element absolutely positioned to center it?

Wips, why does it matter what I mean by .parent? It’s an ancestor of the thing you want to position.
Wips, An absolutely-positioned element is positioned relative to the nearest positioned ancestor (i.e., the one that has `position` set to anything but static, the default) containing it at any nesting depth.
Wips, what part of that you don’t understand?

a lot of reading to do tomorrow

Hi, I’ve decided it is finally time to design my own web page. I’ve been programming for quite some time and have done a medium amount of graphics design as well, though I’m a bit rusty. Anyway, I was just wondering if there are any defacto books to read on web design. I’d like to find some good
books that are written towards experienced programmers who just haven’t worked a lot with web design

In fact, you could’ve tried already whatever you are asking me and find out yourself.

Seriously that is way too complicated written.. I’m sorry

*sigh*

lol he new too

…ye

glad am not on my own

Wips, read the specs if you want to get a grip on the terminology

feel brain dead here
am going to sleep

?

thanks 4 ya time people

ya kthnx bai

nothing, jus me chattin shit
cya people

basically IE is not doing a negative margin and only way i have to get around it is using absolute, but it needs to be centered horizontally…

yeye

exo is cool

this time eat it dont hide it

bob_sinclair, IE does negative margins just fine

not all the time
this is a bug

]z ie negmargin @ bob_sinclair

IE Negative Margin Bug: http://haslayout.net/css/negmargin.shtml

danke
dang need to use a container

no you don’t

IE adds so much more html and css

*sigh*
No it doesn’t

oh the example calls it a container
*sigh*

ugh
No, I should have called it “the thing you got your shit in”

um ok…

Jesus, why do I bother describing bugs if no one bothers to even read anything but code examples ~_~

i am reading it

ie doesn’t add more html….why would ie make you add more page content?

but yeah i dunno why you bother?
structure
not content

html is content
..

bob_sinclair, so you wouldn’t have this bug again?

sorry Zoffix what do you mean

bob_sinclair, I spend less than 3-4 minutes for IE debug on 7-8 paged site.
ugh, cbf..

I get what you’re saying but it’s pretty rare that you need to add another container/wrapper to get things to work in ie
well it hardly happens to me unless I’m being lazy

do you want an award?

.

bob_sinclair, no, I want you to shut the fuck up.

or the ? Did it help? or does it just make me look worse?

whats with the attitude Zoffix?

Is there a way to change the appearance of a hr?

peace Zoffix please

]css hr @ Deformative

Styling hrs with CSS [is pain]: http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/hr.html

Thanks.

bob_sinclair, then stop insulting me. It’s not my fault that your little brain is incapable of comprehending the things I say.
bob_sinclair, then stop insulting me. It’s not my fault that your little brain is incapable of comprehending the things I say.
bbob_sinclair, then stop insulting me. It’s not my fault that your little brain is incapable of comprehending the things I say./b

bob_sinclair, he speaks his mind…get used to it

sorry Zoffix how did i insult you?
i dont’ want to fight. you example is where a div is in a div. mine is where the divs are separate

do you want an award?

the negative margin simply doesn’t work
i read no insults there sorry zoffix

Ya, ok, yeah it doesn’t work. EOF.

bob_sinclair, then stop insulting me. It’s not my fault that your little brain is incapable of comprehending the things I say. — thats an insult
ubob_sinclair, then stop insulting me. It’s not my fault that your little brain is incapable of comprehending the things I say. — thats an insult/u

bob_sinclair – If I have you right, you’re centering something horizontally, and using a negative margin on it for some other purpose?

yeah Kiirani negative margin is for positioning

May I see the page?

well its all for positioning really

bob_sinclair, then stop insulting me. It’s not my fault that your little brain is incapable of comprehending the things I say.

I take it you’re using a margin:auto; to get the centering effect

oops
http://build.ngt.dev.ionata.com/
problem is the main navigation which im playing with – yellow border atm

bob_sinclair – Ha! That’s why I copy some random letter to my clipboard every time I’m done with something I’ve pasted

lol yeah, doesn’t worry but

okay, so I suppose that the borderi s where it is naturally, and you want it to be where the text currently is in firefox?

yeah

bob_sinclair, you said you don’t know why he bothers…he said so you wouldn’t have this bug again and it doesn’t take him long to debug ie pages. Then you were kind of rude/sarcastic to him. In case you were wondering what you did.

basically IE doesn’t not do negative margin at all

bob_sinclair – By the way, are you aware that all your text along the side bits is overflowing the images and looking pretty damn unreadable as white on white to me?

nobody is asking zoffix to write articles
yeah like i said much to go with it…
i just want to fix the ie bugs before proceeding

okay, as long as you’re going to fix that, because I’ll start yelling..

i will optimise the css when positioning is fixed
don’t worry i do wcag level 2 etc

That goes over my head. I just make sure everything’s readable at something like…. 30pt font

lol

bob_sinclair, I am getting paid for them…. no body is asking to read them.

i’ve read a lot about bugs with absolute and relative pos. in IE. its varies alot

s/(?=no) (?=body)//;

lol then why would you be complaining

bob_sinclair, I am not complaining at all. I am just pointing out that you are retarded.

wouldn’t you both because you get paid ?
ok i resemble that
sticks and stones and all that..
take a chill pill, im going for lunch

above, which includes the whole layout.. I suppose that was what you told me all the way. I just didnt understand it right. Thanks anyway

lol wtf bob_sinclair, either you like to play the victim or you’ve had some catastrophic misunderstandings
and I really can’t tell which

bob_sinclair – what IE version?
Hm, 6 apparently has it
I don’t think this is a bug with IE, I think it’s a bug with your code

m00?
hmm..
did he ignore me?

bob_sinclair – This would be easier if I didn’t have to guess measurements because your font sizes are all about half the size of mine
bob_sinclair – What I notice though, is the height on the box is greater than 20px, and it’s in some way listening to your margin, as it’s not 130px from there, just 0
bob_sinclair – You’re using IE6? what if it isn’t registering that there’s an ID on body
Hmm, no, that’s not it, it works on my server

Body doesn’t need an ID.
There’s only ever one body
so just reference it as
body { }

Stormx2 – Why are you telling ME this? Actually, the body so far as i can tell of this person’s site was given an id to specify what page it was

Are there some super way to check how your Page looks like in IE6?
to debug it

Wips – Open it in IE6
bob_sinclair – There’s something weird going on with your page, it works fine for me
http://kiirani.com/test/bob_sinclair.html
copied the code straight out

if I had IE6..

Wips – what OS are you on?

Ubuntu
..

Oh, good
you can get iE 5, 5.5 6 and 7 all at once

for Wine?

here I thought you were on windows and stuck with one or the other
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

yeh, with XP you can only have IE7 if you have it installed.. typical Microsoft

there’s your magical way
I think bob_sinclair’s disappeared

w00t for ubuntu

Boooo.
Down with ubuntu!

nubuntu is doing great things for Linux users though, you have to admit

I wouldn’t know, I won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole

I am talking about gaining a broader user base I.e. Dell and demanding better device drivers from manufacturers

All I know is when I was done installing gentoo, one command at a time, I had enough of an idea of what I was doing to start up lynx and find the docs to set up an X server hosting

ignorantcow!

kramed_ – This is true

Actually, you can get standalone ie6.

I’d rather have people using ubuntu than vista

ohmy, thanks alot Kiirani. That package is heaven

Wips – Innit just?

I use debian but I am still grateful Mark Shuttleworths dedication

Gotta love Linux
for Windows?

I’m getting tired of waiting for people to realise how silly all that is

hm, didnt know.. is it supported by Microsoft?

nope

Ah, the joys of using gentoo as a first distro.. I don’t know any better they don’t take too long on my system anyway

but somebody has wrapped the hacks and stuff into a nice installer package

ofc

It’d a nice package yeah
I use it
It’s not perfect tho
I had some issues with it not rendering exactly like IE6 actually renders it.

yeah there are some slight differences
but some of them can be fixed with hacks
oh ffs
the guy who did the installer got DMCA’d
well, fuck supporting IE6 then
even though it’s over 50% of the market share
does MS really have to do everything in its power to make developing for their browser impossible?
apparently we have to develop on XP boxes with critical updates off

IE is always the last browser to be supported on my websites.
Firefox, Opera, KHTML, w3m, etc
All that gets fully supported before I open IE.
I don’t know why they don’t give up.
Give in to firefox
Just distribute it with windows
They don’t have to worry about security updates, mozilla handles that.

I never actually have to go to the effort of supporting browsers other than firefox and IE

Mine is Opera-Firefox-IE7

once it works in the former, EVERYTHING ELSE runs it fine
then it’s just an IE fix

Firefox and IE7 usually gives the same result though

Eh, I’m obsessed wtih checking in IE6

..I’m gonna start doing it now
but I know I’m gonna hate myself for it

“Aw crap, that’s right, no fixed positioning. I hate you m$”

moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I’m having some problems with the ies4linux and sessions.. it seems like it doesnt react to session_destroy();
or, it reacts.. but in a strange way

probably a cookies problem

yeh..
it works now.. just turned off all kind of security .

how do I place this in a CSS file. I have div postfoot font and I am not sure if this is working. I have a DIV tag named postfoot then a font within the div tag. I am trying to put this into a CSS file but not coming out right. Can someone help?

nah

what is it you are inserting into the CSS file?

heh

Got a link?

ShawnRisk

Kiirani! \o

yes I know
div postfoot font
{
left;
}

.
www.w3schools.com/css

I thought using font elements was frowned upon?

yes I know what is but what I am doing wrong?

And w3schools too, for that matter

]w3schools @ Wips

http://www.w3schools.com/flash/flash_inhtml.asp | Complete bullshit: http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_intro.asp

#css doesn’t like anything

No, it’s just n00bs seem to like crap.

awh, come on…

:O

w3schools is good, I’ve learned alot there..

what am I doing wrong?

Wips, yeah.. I can tell…

Hey jose

You can tell because, what?

Because of your stated questions
]schools @ Wips

schools: Explore the intricacies of HTML and CSS here: www.blooberry.com/ , www.htmlhelp.com/ , http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ , www.brainjar.com/ , www.htmldog.com/ , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/

Oooh, burn

Wips, how can you say that w3schools are good if you don’t know the basics?

ShawnRisk – There’s no align: property

And there is no font or postfoot elements
]css select @ ShawnRisk

Learn how to apply CSS Selectors: 1) read: http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html , http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/ 2) try it out: http://gallery.theopalgroup.com/selectoracle/

oops I knew that and I put it in anyways, stupid me

Soo
http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/ – ie6 refuses to center div#content in the viewport, and centers in the area left of navigation. In ff/safari, when I make the window narrower I want the #content div to stop right of the navigation instead of
moving down or under it

What do you know about me not knowing the basics? I write Css-style files including the whole page-layout. How could I do that without knowing the basics? I happend to not understand your positioning-explanation, although I did understand afterwards I just had spend some more time with
it.

$

text/html; charset=UTF-8)

@

That’s the one.

Wips, if you knew something you wouldn’t be saying that w3schools are good.. That’s all.
@http://ssp.ps-mc.net/media/design/

(ssp.ps-mc.net…) HTML: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/2ter5d ) | CSS: Failed (1 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/2zrmky ) [9 warnings] | DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Strict + url | (MIME: text/html; charset=UTF-8)

im back Kiirani
looking now thanks mate

I don’t understand your bot’s capabilities. For all I know, there’s a [[^^i24,, command that causes it to magically fix things
the one css error is a missing file, nothing to worry about

joseAway, #navigation{display: inline;}
And just why did you wrap your nav in a div?

I've been sitting on here all day trying to figure various problems out and getting sometimes conflicting, and sometimes wrong guidance
Only god knows

umm

If I knew Something? You're so generalising. W3Schools is a perfect place to learn css, html, xhtml and php hosting if you're new to coding. Afterwards ofcourse you'll have to move on to other schools or books that open up more corners in the
coding

Wips, ...and relearn everything

Not -everything-.. .

You know thats way overrated.

joseAway, May play with {overflow: hidden;} Personally I'd just pos:abs; the nav.

Just a lot.

eh
]argue

“Arguing on the Internet is like running in the special Olympics… even if you win, you’re still retarded”

ye.. buhu
I just found it silly.. saying that w3schools is such a bad website..

Because it is

seems to be some slight difs in code
trying to find what triggers the bug here

You call http://www.blooberry.com/ a better site?

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3schools.com%2Fxhtml%2Fxhtml_intro.asp

Wips, –”XHTML is a stricter and cleaner version of HTML” “All New Browsers Support XHTML”– I am not capable of coming up with better bullshit… That’s why we get 100s of people a day abusing XHTML who are completely clueless about it.
Wips, “Brian Wilson Aug 3, 99 ” — pretty good for its age.

he’s 8 years old.. “ok”? it’s still ugly

“ugly”?
So you judge the quality of content by site’s design?
You are a better coder because you’ve read your stuff on a pretty site?
Give me a break, man.

when the site contains how to write Css-layout, and it’s shitugly.. Yes, I tend to do so

Good, so just STFU now and go back to reading your w3schools crap….
uGood, so just STFU now and go back to reading your w3schools crap…. /u

How do you abuse XHTML?

Through the mere act of using it

…on public sites.

with a stick

Or rather sites which are targeted to IE, FF, Safari and search engines.

So you mean that people shouldnt use XHTML?

Well, don’t you think it’s pointless to use something which isn’t supported?

Gaah

Rather using something which isn’t supported and then sending wrong headers mask your code as something else for the sake of that non-supported shit to be displayed at all?

No middle ground All ems or all pxs

XHTML isnt supported? My XHTML-page works perfect in FF, Opera, IE7 and IE6

s/(?=headers)/ to/;

yeah but browsers do crazy shit

Wips, yeah, because you are telling all the browsers that it is HTML so browsers see your page as HTML with really weird syntax. So what’s the point?

I’m telling it it’s HTML? My Doctype says it’s XHTML

i use it so i always conform to xml and validate

your server says it aint

it renders via sgml, so what

Wips, it’s not what tells the browsers that it is XHTML.

why can’t css do things like 53px + 1em ?
It would make life easier

it might 1 day

hmm

just not in current versions

So Basically, XHTML is just bullshit?

joseAway, because it’s rarely needed.
Wips, no, XHTML is a failed concept.. because it was abused. If all the XHTML bugs in the browsers would to be fixed, half the web would be broken.

of course. So are lots of the weirder selectors and pseudoclasses

joseAway, never needed what you are asking for.

doesn’t mean nobody will

xhtml makes you go strict and close all tags

joseAway, of course not. Just saying… think outside the box.

what do you mean the web would be broken Zoffix?

I am, but I run into such limitations

it would only be broken if the xhtml was served as xhtml mime

Wips, half the sites would not be displayed by browsers… what else would that mean?

all the tubes would be knotted

thx

bob_sinclair, How does it make you go strict?

and we’d have to go back to trucks

its not broken because its usually served as html

]]xhtml wanna be standards advocate @ bob_sinclair

i close tags

[Google] http://hsivonen.iki.fi/wannabe/ (More results: http://tinyurl.com/2ek6tv )

im not advocating it all
its an option

and al gore would turn the internet offs
because trucks pollute

bob_sinclair, .. how does XHTML help you close the tags?

ohmy joseAway .

xml conformity

bob_sinclair, what for?

it’s a scary thought

bob_sinclair, it’s just HTML tag-soup on the other end of the wire.. Why not use proper html instead?

say i did html dtd then i don’t need to close say an li

Also, whenever you use xhtml, a kitten kills god.

bob_sinclair, … umm.. it’s optional, but what’s your point?

isn’t it good that people get into the habit of XML conformity since the web is moving to xml

Holy shit.. does that count for everytime I Refresh? or everytime I write xhtml?

ummm yeah, ok.
Whatever

So, you use HTML yourself, I presume?

just writing, but yahweh is getting pretty pissed

Yet Another “I use XHTML for a silly reason and I’ll keep using it just because I have some weird belief that it’s right”

‘i want to use dtd swithing in the future, but need to close tags in my doc now because i originally wrote it in 2007 in html 4′
where, i would just update the header of the doc and bam, it validates
forwards compat, thats why i use it now, thats all zoffix

Whatever, I know browser developers’ opinions on XHTML. I know spec writers’ opinions on XHTML. I personally spoke to some of those people. I don’t need to prove anything to myself. You can use whatever you want, just know that XHTML failed because of people like you.
bob_sinclair, hah, forwards compat to what?

and you kill god
don’t forget that

:’(

any xml schemas/dtd that come out

bob_sinclair, ask FF, Opera or IE team, what you will see around 2010, HTML 5 or XHTML… then think about your “forward compat” silly

Standardsmen, wha hae!

nobody can predict the future
and they will say xml…

Whoever shouts loudest wins

not sgml..
sgml is dead now
xml parse is the way of the future

Right

I still dont understand how that people try to translate from html till XHTML ruined XHTML..

Now let’s talk about CSS3 vs. XCSS!

if you can cite an reasonable argument against this then fine

]know xhtml @ bob_sinclair

Are you using XHTML? READ THIS: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml , http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml , http://www.webdevout.net/articles/validity-and-well-formedness

XCSS is the future

what is XCSS?

It’s XSS with a C

joseAway, word! X is eXtra!

already read all that

Like extreme sports

Gash.. everything is the future

practice is different to theory, and in practice it works…

It means it’s better

bob_sinclair, then you have valid arguments. And I assume you do know who are the people who wrote those documents.

i don’t know them personally
i’ve never had an email come through a website from a user saying they can’t browse the site because its xhtml

So what would you(/browser developers and spec writers) want XHTML to be used for?
I’m just wondering, no hard feelings.. It interests me

bob_sinclair, whatever, dude. You server your tagsoup now, hoping that in 20 years your shit will be finally parsed properly. It will be old and ugly it will undergo 100s of rewrites already. I’ll use my HTML, if you will be right, I’ll just run all my files through a tool and be on the right
track. All done under 10 seconds… kthnxbai
EOF
go to #xhtml, #html, #htmlvsxhtml #markupwars wherever you want.. This is CSS and let’s keep it this way.

could you just answer my last question?

it wouldn’t render, if it wasn’t parsed properly zoffix
its about in practice against theory, which it works

bob_sinclair, it’s parsed as HTML read RFC 2616, EOF.

yes i know that
html is also parsed as um er html

M00?

http://zeldman.com/
thats good enough for me..

No more XHTML vs HTML.

ok i guess zeldman must be wrong EOF

I am having trouble deciding on a web banner or graphic. Any ideas to help me get started?
I want the banner for the top of my weblog

ehc, and how is this related to #css ?

naked wimmin always gets a good response.
Unless your audience is female
Then show shoes

http://www.hypergurl.com/colormatch.php could get you started on color.. but as the other guys says.. Wrong channel
So basically.. I should go back to using HTML? .. oh I was getting so used to xhtml

Yes.

it’s not much different though.. basically I just remove the Doctype.. I mean, It’s all just “perfect” HTML I suppose
or rename the doctype

you don’t need to do anything. has some reported a problem because of xhtml?

Go to #web

Why would I care?

Stop polluting this channel with this garbage.

exactly.
its not garbage lol

What are you trying to tell me? I’ve seen the discussion.. I’ve made my choice, stop it

people are free to do what they want, especially on freenode
im not forcing you to do anyting wips

Born freee

YEY!

Free as the wiiiind blooowwwwsss

dances?
Do you do Coding as a job Zoffix?

]zoffix work @ Wips

Zoffix’s work: Paid for: http://helenus.com/ http://www.drcs.com.au/ http://www.grilldteez.com http://www.martinoakfarm.com http://ecreate.com.au Personal: http://haslayout.net http://zoffix.com

+ http://test.ecreate.com.au

that’s a yes…

can I help?

where do you live zoffix?

On the Internet.

help with what sorry
which country

Internet

right

left

Why do you call yourself Bob Sinclair? I mean… Rock this party?

thats bob sinclar

does anyone know of a program or service that shows what a webpage looks like to various forms of colorblindness?

…true
Google it, I found it a few days ago

]design colorblind @ blast007

See your site through the eyes of colorblind: http://colorfilter.wickline.org/ http://www.iamcal.com/toys/colors/index.php

with ie
bashing

]access tools @ blast007

Accessibility tools and more: http://www.its.monash.edu.au/web/slideshows/accessibility-basictools/

or go there .

you know, 68 windows makes irssi a real pain in the ass

oh its not too bad now, thanks heaps but

thanks Zoffix

my brain hurts. discuss.

go to sleep?
E.g get some ice tea
E.g? wtf.. why did I write e.g
OR get some ice tea
I’m starting to get this XHTML thing now.. after all, there is no extra functionality. Like ValSpy said at #web…

blast007, it’s more of a contrast thing. Colorblindness varies significantly. You can’t really account for all of them just by picking colors they are likely to see. Just follow WAI (AA|AAA) contrast guide.
]design contrast @ blast007

Contrast checker: http://snook.ca/technical/colour_contrast/colour.html

ok

It just always felt so right learning and using XHTML, Because w3schools said it’s TAKING OVER THE WOLRD…
uIt just always felt so right learning and using XHTML, Because w3schools said it’s TAKING OVER THE WOLRD…/u
uIt just always felt so right learning and using XHTML, Because w3schools said it’s TAKING OVER THE WOLRD…/u
..
No..

jejeje

I want more Ice tea.. Discuss?

ice tea is a de facto spelling
standards require that you write iced tea
do you have any words to defend your irresponsible actions?

STFU retard

Your drink does not validate!

I feel.. Cleansed, with this xhtml/html thing
ohmy.. World of Warcraft-expressions comming thru.
RFC?

Request For Comments
It’s what Internet started from.
first hundred are quite a read.

Psh, Zoffix can’t be a she

psh, joseAway can’t be Away

This is true

I fail to understand how you can hide behind a stack of RFC’s…
but, nevertheless.. I used W3schools..

Wips, RFCs are God of standards.
Highly technical docs… but man, if you download all of RFCs into your memory.. you’ll be the l33test of the leet.

…and this relates to CSS in which ways?

Either that, or you’ll be a gibbering idiot who can quote the specification for IRC at will

woooshhhh

o – Wips’ head

. – Zoffix’s
Hah.. burn

ooh, burn
But.. don’t be hard on Wips, he’s just a work in progress. Ahahaha.

Wips, it’s because yours is swollen!

I understood it was a joke man.. I just didnt understand shit of the joke.. so I had to pretend … something..
it is I’m gonna die soon, because of cancer
bu-hu

Let us all eat, drink, and make merry.
Or, this being the 21st century… sex, drugs, rock and roll! \o/ Woooo

Sexy time

sex, drugs, rock
ughr

So what do you guys think about books?
books about e.g CSS… I bought one
You prolly hate that too, dont you

sex, drugs, rock ‘n’ roll?? That’s 20th century! Today it’s child molesters, rehabs and dangers of the Intertubes.
]css books

BOOKS? WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEMS?

I do not recommend you any books. Any CSS book is outdated by the time it is published. Moreover, any CSS book is written off the specs and online material, so why don’t you just read _that_ instead?

YOU JUST LIKE SATAN

the reason why I buy books is beause i often find them to be more explantory than most pages.. and I dont have to spend time doing the surfing and googling
I have 3 books :’(

Don’t worry, you can still use them as toilet paper.

why can’t you guys care some more? I mean… gash, you could’ve just asked me atleast what the book was called, to give me a break..

More great gems from yahoo answers
“I want 2 sell my mom, how high should the price be? BTW Im sereious.?”

kthanksbai

“ebay? lol idk like 500 dollars, and a slice of cheese cake”

Wips, right.. you want us to make you feel all warm and fuzzy…. go to AOL or MSN if you want that.

Actually I’d like if you’d watch me on webcam.. while I… yeh, sip my IceD tea
the book is called “Beginning CSS Web Development” -From Novice to Professional

This is irc, we fight with teeth and shards of bone. Like civilized people.

by Simon Collison
-Apress

Simon Collison..
heh
useless

…enough said
why is that?

Because I am tired.

nah, come on.. ah, you suck.. You gotta have some arguments

And sleepy.

Bot told you everything I’d wanted to say.

about Simon Collison?
]Simon_Collison Me

I don’t even know who it is. And neither could I care more.
]]wiki simon collison

[Google] http://expressionengine.com/showcase/read/simon_collison/ (More results: http://tinyurl.com/2t599g )

stupid bot

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Wips, only a fool blames the tool.

only a tool blames the fool :O
The tables have turned!

Meh, that dude ain’t in the wiki… I won’t buy his book just because of his name.

:O

http://majicjungle.com/ – trippy video

is it porn?
the clock is half past six..

“CSS on IRC – from abuse to banning” by Zoffix Znet.
BUY MY BOOK!!!

I will

Put moneys here -| |-

they wont fit

“The clock is half past six” By Wips
buy my book?

you have to make it bigger

I don’t charge that much.

| |
ops
bugged coin slot

-| |- at least

lawl

www.hardware.no uses xhtml

but they have no hardware

my friend is actually gonna start working there

it says so

.no is Norwegian domain.. dumbass *gash*….

Wips, so what they they are using XHTML?

I dunno.. I just thought I’d make you angry…

Wips, will you suck cock you see half the planet sucking?

Wow, did I miss an html 4 / xhtml fight?

yeah

Wow, is it still going?

Yeh, and I won… man, you should’ve seen Zoffix. He was crying

I fought both sides and got some rapier wit in
like “ooh burn”

BURN

Hehe.
Seeya Zoffix
if I hadn’t been in the shower I’d totally have been on your side

Your drink does not validate!

…hmm

BURN

What? My drink doesn’t validate?!

gnight Zoffix

^__^

underscores in /remove?

:’(

Nub

kiirani.com has proudly used html 4.01 since before there was any content there

joseAway, how do you make it take space separated string?

…. Then I got wordpress and had to switch to xhtml :’(

I’m not burned just because some powersick lunatic decides to kick me

it burns.

burn

woooshhhh

o – Wips’ head

double burn

I don’t have to mention what Zoffixs head looks like..

try /quote remove #chan foo :woo hoo

actually I can’t.. there’s no symbols for it, too small :’( sad thing actually

is importants
damn it

joseAway, thanks

what if I needed something from the scrollback?
irssi ate it now

yeh.. You’re gonna have to learn me how to do the positioning again now Zoffix.. Because it’s gone.. you removed it

what was the message anyway?

7) joseAway forlot rommet (requested by Zoffix: “woo

no originality
lame
I still say nub

yeh.. he burned himself
…..burn

and… forlot rommet?
What language is that?

Norwegian.. dumbass.. *gash*

it looks like cherokee
you should get your language fixed
Bonus question:

Nah, well.. It’s a bit like XHTML you know.. developers and spec writers says it will never work..
so, I’m converting now.. Swedish4.01

W00t, I won yet another lottery

You’re a sleep

Why does HP add software that pops up pictures of homosexual men under the guise of “download updates”?

a sleep…
a sleep/ a sheep… ASLEEP!
gash, my english

I don’t want men

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1 000 000 British pounds = 2.16150702 million Canadian dollars

weeee

Please upload your updates back, men installer

]]=1,000,000NOK to GBP

1 000 000 Norwegian kroner = 84 573.9182 British pounds

Yeah!
I ROCK!

s/R/C/;

.

]]=1,000,000INR to USD

1 000 000 Indian rupees = 24 764 U.S. dollars

lol

Hell yeah, I’m moving to india

]]=1PHP to CAD

I can be a millionaire

1 Philippine peso = 0.0234751176 Canadian dollars