shared_ptr does it and it is great

I love boost !!! but I believe the original problem was to allow multiple readers with no locks, and one reader with a lock (or that is what I thought was suggested)

boost

yeah! good idea :]

hello, i’m having trouble with bunzip2 on 64 bit

you’re the last thing I want to see flying out of my mouth and onto the pavement

uh

with vm and windows

where the fsck do i get a floppy?!
*G*

it freezes the system when extracting large archives

lol
your on your own there my friend =

wow, that’s not good… have you checked your logs to see what exactly is doing the global unwarming?

and you haven’t even seen my face, shame on you for judging me like that

…

cd-r, cd-rw, dvd-r, dvd-ram, usbsticks in various shapes, colors and flavors but no floppy

I want to more the entire /usr/portage to a network mount. anyone thinks its a bad plan ?

ah

my lap’s hd is running out of space

you just need one
i dunno if you can make a bootable usb drive :/

http://www.minix3.org/download/minix3_1_3a_ide_r2964.iso.bz2 extracting this freezes

yeah but do you still have 5′1/4 disks?

calling me a thing.

checking logs

nah, can’t be done

thanks, but I’d rather live to see my AMD64 run another day…

you’ll need two floppies btw fr0nk

any other with jackass skills?

if you can get them, you can do anything to your discs

HOLY GOD i found my “the secret of monkey island” disk
\o/

lol!
you can’t format that!

NO NO NO NO

Hi guys… i got a problem here.. hope someone helps me out. What happens is that when i run some apps full screen, like Blender or VirtualBox, the Gnome bars wont go away. I would like to know how to make them go to the bottom.

*G*

as long as you don’t have a computer with + 4gb ram i don’t see any reason to use it in 64bit mode

yeah, I’m pretty sure you can’t get more holy than god…

you’ll need to anyway mate

but i’ll try this in the win vm

because video encoding is wickedly faster on 64bit

i love 64bit
even in windows you can ‘feel’ the diffrence

feel the difference?

lol

ifit wasn’t for the driver issue, i’d mate with it

trust me… same CPU, 32bit binary will underperform a 64bit (video encoding) binary by 25-50%

what are you feeling with 64bit?

I put in a blank CD, ran ‘mount /mnt/cdrom’, got an error. mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read only. mount: no such file or directory. CD tray opens.

…

the future

also, because of kernel memory split, 64 bit has advantages with 2gb or more ram already

twice the size

loving and feeling.. you pervert

32 more ‘bits’

i believe in core2duo

lol

you can’t mount a blank cd

i’m making it sound worse…

then how do I burn a data cd?

which I have
‘man growisofs’
mzbot rorachan growisofs

mkisofs … && cdrecord –with-many -options

I have no idea if that does anything…

All members with an 64x edition raise a hand!

or use k3b

o/

pfff, you don’t need to MAKE the iso before you burn it, that’s what’s so great about growisofs

ow didn’t know that one but than again only have 1024 MB on both systems, so id most likely only be slowed down by the overhead

|o

so can anyone help me reproduce it (maybe offering its uptime as sacriffice)

oh stop that was politically incorrect

it will create + burn the iso in realtime, meaning you don’t have to have extra room for the iso

o\

ll
haha

No manual entry for growisofs.

which is why I *hate* the retarded way in which Mac OS X burns discs

But the CD tray hasn’t opened.

you’ll be arrested for that in europe

what, seriously…

i like cheesecake

Yeah.

one sec

and lurking

Ice_Wewe, you can pipe the output of mkisofs to cdrecord.

i never experienced a mac …

once you go mac
you die.
lol
i found it funny ¬_¬

you can try to extract it with some other program, such as 7z

http://pastebin.com/m52f4a0a0

“Operation not permitted”, but the volume does change. What could the problem be, i’ve never had this before.

then I died at age 3…

i experimented in college …with a mac

but i believe beryl and compiz-fusion makes mac users jo mad because they payed double the price a pc costs … bwahahaha

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: how’d it go?

lol
not bad

people do all sorts of crazy things in colege [LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE

hahaha
this is true
nah, actually i grew up on macs

actually when you look at the real costs, PCs are almost as expensive… ex. building a C2D vs buying an iMac

so it has some extra instructions for en/decoding video?

i. ahve extracted it in another x86 box, but the problem is that this shouldnt happen

my parents were mac fans in the early years

i always thought the hardware you get for the price was good

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: the Lisa II was my first computer, used of course, I’m not wiping my a** with $20s

could be hardware problem

i mean, right now i’m typing on a tiny tiny Sony vaio

it’s talking about DVDs…my computer doesn’t have a DVD drive.

haha

cost me nearly £2000 with insurance

I don’t know, but it’s sure faster

and i’d rather it was a mac

i need someone else to confirm

(without the mac)

yeah no shit

i’m using beryl and every time a mate visits me I show him beryl and he gets depressed because his vindows vista only has transparent window borders

it has more registers which speeds up certain calculations such as encryption or video encoding

growisofs will also burn CDs… look at the ISO9660 section

ours was a quadra 610
ahh system 7

yes but you also pay for the name and the exclusivity

because it’s so plasticy, the keyboard doesn’t light up….it’s really delicate
ah, good point.

beryl is for people who are compensating for something, or just like to waste energy

I was told to use k3b.

that we owned at least, i had used classics and SEs before

i’ll report it on bugzilla

like porsche, the parts are one of the best, but you also for “driving a porsche”

when you’re ready for a REAL window manager, build E17
sure, you can use k3b… growisofs is just the CLI way of making a CD. Growisofs is actually what k3b uses..

tried it in 2005 or so, did they made progress?

how is E17?

I never looked into E17
i like xfce ^_^

did you try to extract it with 7zip and the problem still persists?

yeah, last time i tried it, it ws still reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaly buggy

dooooooork

xfce4 + compiz-fusion = o.m.gah

which i knew it ouwld be going in

so people, suggestions. I can build a fileserver that’s a generic PIII for ~$200, or I can build a Mini-ITX file server based on a VIA board for ~$300… suggestions

I’m confused…total newb here. How do I burn a CD if the computer won’t recognize the blank CD?

on to what really matters. Faster or Slower compiling?

i use xfce on my ubuntu box

you’re trying to *mount* a blank CD, which has no filesystem… you don’t want to mount it, you want to *burn* it…

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: do you like it?

I’d suggest using k3b, since you’ve just declared your n00bness
sorry, n00bn355
you run E17 or I kill your beryl

I understand that…but how do I keep the CD to stay in the computer without popping out?

I don’t think there’s much difference

killall beryl

Ubuntu or xfce?

make your project in k3b, then hit burn, and then hit “Load” and it will load your blank CD

compiling depends on many things, such as disk/memory performance

assuming that it is A) A blank CD B) you have a CD burner, and C) your drive recognizes the media

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: both =P
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/10796/X-Window-Manager-Benchmarks-(E17-on-Top)/

heh

nice

still compiling is mainly a cpu thing at least that is what i thought

sorry I was just confused as to why the tray kept spitting out my CD. It’s burning now.

eh, ubuntu is decent, i still got love for gentoo though
depends on what im using linux for

I WIN!

as far as xfce is concerned, well, it makes ubuntu a quite a bit lighter and faster

heh, yah, not the best place to say you love ubuntu =P
yeah it certainly does
lol
“win”
so what is it, like another typie of fluxbox thing?

well duh! lol. i should try it with gentoo on my laptop

you still here?

wtf, i didnt say shit!

i read an article today
claiming ubuntu is killing the world of the linuchs

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: language.

my bad, sorry!

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: “as far as xfce is concerned, well, it makes ubuntu a quite a bit lighter and faster”
[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: I’ve got it in IRC LOG!

as compared to ubuntu with gnome…

is there someone that can help me to get the lpcm stream from a dvd into two seperate .wav files (since its longing that 80 mins) so i can burn them on an audio cd

sepArate*

topic folks, no distro or wm wars please

why two separate?

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: ah, got it… see I’m actually on a Ubuntu 6.06 machine right now… and yes, I’m sorry to admit that it is mine… actually it’s my main machine. But I just don’t have time to make the switch to Gentoo

BLASPHEMY!
lol

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: I’m going to switch during the Christmas break, I just don’t have time…

since its longer than 80 mins

how can i get alsalibs to compile in 32 bit for support for 32 bit apps on a 64 bit system?

yeah, thats why i use it for some servers

and only 80 mins on a cd
that was for you sorry

700mb cds have a playing time of 80 min

ahh, that’s no excuse
do it now mate

no no, CDs are measured in megabytes, not minutes

it’ll only take you three days to get it working
three whole days

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: well, I work 35 hours a week, and school starts in 6 days. I need this computer to do all my work… and I’m uncertain of how long it will take me to transition to Gentoo (along with all my installed (both binary and compiled) apps)

68h

AUDIO CD not mp3

audio cds are measured in minutes afaik

it is too

ive got ubuntu running my VMware java server hosting host, but ive got lots of Gentoo VMs

4h sleep

spat, rip it to one wav file, remove the header, split it at the 80 minute mark, add headers.

I don’t have 36 hours to spare

i did.

besides, this computer is busy doing tasks in the background

yeah, thats why i did my laptop earlier in the summer

and i’m reaping the benefits
terminal.

hi

anyone know why gtk+ won’t compile on my i386?

erm need sox for that?

no xfce/ no e17. not even xchat yet
lol

no, the amount of normal WAV you can fit on a 700MB cd is measured in minutes :p

I tried that stupid expat command for gtk+…

so you just want to split it

they have E17… ‘emerge enlightenment’

the transition to gentoo is esp. difficult/time consuming on mobile machines… especially ones with a semi buggy DST like my ASUS A8Jp

it’s just DR16

mencoder can probably do that
or sox

somebody could tell me how to disable debug messages from i2c modules (plaguing dmesg outout)

spat, I would use tail to remove the header, split to do the splitting, and mplayer to add the headers.

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: I just don’t have the time right now… but I’m am REALLY REALLY mad at Ubuntu…

i’ve JUST managed to get emerge -u world to work after installing around 6h ago for the fourth time today
my next step was to install slim and xfce

yeah?

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: here I have a system not quite 8 months old, and already I’m running into dependencies that can’t be resolved because my libraries at too old and there are no updates

but i might take a look into enlightenment now as well

don’t install DR16, save your time and just install E17 from CVS

dependency hell FTW!

DR16 is a joke

CVS?

[LnP-NW]ReVeNiDE: no, it just means I can’t install new packages

you’ve confused me with someone who uses linux regularly

yes… E17 runs a CVS tree, like most open source projects
oh sorry, it’s svn
www3.get-e.org

i use BSD to manage my servers. that’s about it

i found another floppy, could you please upload pm anywhere?

oooh, i get what you are saying, yeah, ive had issues similar to that as well
ive never used BSD
ive been wanting to try it

ok will do it with mencoder than however wiki doesn’t seem to cover that kind of stuff can you point me elsewhere?

spat, even just copying the original wav header to each split piece would probably work, since most wav parsers handle unexpected EOF properly.

#mplayer, or just search for like ‘editing with mencoder’

what flavor of BSD?

ah thank you
thank you both reisio, Draconx

can some help me fix my gentoo I have broken a lot of portage packages and at the moment Im using revdep-rebuild -X to fix it.I also have the problem fixing apache2 and mysql which also is down.

oh yeah, well I can update themes and restart my window manager (from the provided menu system) without loosing my X connection or my applications…

I can`t get running iptables on 2.6.22. I enabled ALL netfilter options in kernel and rebuilded iptables many times but i am still getting errors about unknown table “nat”.

lo; i have some confusion of grub.conf (hd0,0) syntax–could someone take a look at http://pastebin.ca/675291 ? First three lines are what my system will look like

back, sorry.
i’m on it
do you have winrar?
^ fr0nk

have you tried rebuilding the iptables userspace?

does somebody knows how to stop these messages on dmesg output? :i2c-adapter i2c-0: Transaction (post):…

last time I checked, it reads your kernel config to know which stuff to include

libexpat problems?

shal3r, sounds like you don’t have CONFIG_NF_NAT enabled.

looks like i2c verbose debug messages or something

yes got my whole system down

teach ironfoot495 expat

expat-2.0.1 is not ABI compatible with earlier versions. Run the following in bash to fix: “emerge -n1 ‘=portage-2.1.2.12′ portage-utils && emerge -qep world | grep –color=never -oFf (scanelf -plRBF ‘%F %n’ | awk ‘/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}’ | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e
“libtool\ncurl”) | xargs emerge -1″. If a specific package fails, “/msg mzbot faq remerge-deep” for advice (gtk+/pango are common).

teach ironfoot495 remerge-deep

If, while trying to fix the expat mess, a package won’t build then run the following (substituting “gtk+” with the name of whichever package that failed): “emerge -n portage-utils && grep -vxFf (emerge -qep system) (emerge -qep gtk+) | sed -rne ‘/^\[ebuild/{s/(^| )\[[^]]*\]( |$)//gp}’
| xargs qatom | awk ‘{print $1″/”$2}’ | xargs emerge -1″. Afterwards, run “emerge –resume” to continue.

finally! i’ve been having troubles connecting to freenode the past 2 days!
i was hoping someone could help me with circular dependencies..

teach xoqa ask

Just ask, don’t ask to ask, don’t ask who’s familiar. Don’t ask if anyone knows about it. Just ask the question, it’s the easiest way to get people to answer

teach manners

not enough arguments

yes, i tried many times

figured.

http://rapidshare.com/files/52142286/Partition_Magic__floppy_.rar.html

it is enabled

Are there any nice gui tools for kde or something that will configure a multibutton mouse to do things?

Stick that in your bootdisc and smoke it

shal3r, zgrep CONFIG_NF_NAT /proc/config.gz

i received circular dependencies when trying to emerge genkernel, and so i emerged it using the -O flag.

lol, seriously though, you add it too the bootdisc’s floppy (if it fits, else you’ll need a second floppy) and run from the cmd “pqmagic”

I’ll comply thanx

then did genkernel –menuconfig to get a semi-tweaked kernel

let you know later how it worked!

Howdy. I’m having trouble with the ALSA system on my laptop. Just upgraded to suspend2-sources-2.6.22-r1. Earlier, I had updated to alsa-*-1.0.14*. I noticed that there’s a new set of options under “ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS” that aren’t in the Gentoo ALSA Guide. Any pointers?

some modules didn’t load properly, but that’s not the problem. when i try to emerge almost anything, i get circular dependencies. how do you get rid of them?

there are 900+ people on this channel, i suggest you stop hitting return so often, or nobody’s gonna bother to try to keep up with what you’re saying. state your problem, as it stands now.
uthere are 900+ people on this channel, i suggest you stop hitting return so often, or nobody’s gonna bother to try to keep up with what you’re saying. state your problem, as it stands now./u

nothing here

shal3r, if that produced no output, then the kernel you are running does not have nat enabled.

really, i need advice on my (hd0,0) v (hd0,2) problem. I dont want nothing to load on boot =P

strange, becouse it is in .config and i recompiled kernel

oK, can’t emerge anything due to circular dependencies. need help.

anyone have a nice autoconf howto

sorry, that I can’t help you with, i don’t do grub.

shal3r, did you install and boot the kernel after compiling it?

i dont know how to make Makefiles and configure scripts

of course

we’re also not here to play 20 questions. if you give no details, nobody will help you.

http://sourceware.org/autobook/autobook/autobook_toc.html

thanks, as always

what is lacking?

you didn’t hand-edit the .config file did you?

shal3r, does the # or date in the output of uname -v surprise you?

details.

such as?

hmm, why does cups don’t take my root password?

if you want something simpler, ie. not automake: http://mrbook.org/tutorials/make/

ok

nevermind, if you don’t want to give details, I’ll just put you on ignore and stop wasting my time.

no, Aug30 02:04:38
no, only menuconfig

i get the feeling MANY people don’t grasp the conplexities of automake, or we’d have far fewer packages doing a check for a fortran compiler. (:

Skunky, another lilo fan?

i don’t understand what details you are wanting Skunky, if you don’t want to help, atleast you’re honest. can someone help me solve the circular dependencies?

heh

is audo a new fstype or is there a typo in the default fstab?

does somebody knows how to stop these messages on dmesg output? :i2c-adapter i2c-0: Transaction (post):…

I started using linux with slackware, when the distro choices were slackware or sls. lilo was the only option. never saw any reason to change.

circular deps is one of the only times that it’s legitimate to put use flags on the command line before emerge

that would be autoconf, and yes, again, can you say over complicated?

I am unconvinced that he’s got circular deps. but since he refuses to give any info, we’ll never know.

Skunky, supposedly new “features”

is E17 a desktop enviroment in it’s own right like gnome or kde?

sure, for people who want to dual-boot their boxes, and that kind of stuff. I don’t dual-boot linux boxes. I don’t boot from secondary hard drives. I don’t boot from removable media… I don’t need anything other than plain, boring, old lilo. (:

John, Window Manager

afaik it’s just a wm, not a full de but I could be wrong since I haven’t played with it

not really.

hm

technically it’s a wm, but it’s rapidly becoming a DE

heh

ah right

so when i go from a 1680×1050 X session back to console, my screen gets all fuxored. i think it has something to do with vesafb only supporting 1280×1024. i’m using nvidia drivers btw. any help would be appreciated

there is a file manager etc etc, but they arent that well integrated.

thanks guys =]

most ‘window managers’ aren’t _just_ window managers, as it happens
lots come with extra apps

“(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz is in reality /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz since (hd0,0) is /boot.”

hi, is there a way to say in the .zshrc that it should use “export $TERM=rxvt” always but if it was startet in screen it should use $TERM=screen?

that helps clarify a bit

‘e’ has many many apps tailored specifically to it, and together you would have a DE
enlightenment.org keeps track

Anyone have a suggestion as to why my bluetooth remote works for up, down, etc and enter and backspace… but none of the media keys or volume controls work?

gcc [-câ-Sâ-E] [-std=standard]
err
wrong chan!

the other keys aren’t correctly mapped to something?

wiki twodogs multimedia keys

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys

Thank you chithead, I never considered the bluetooth problem could be related… will try that (been meaning to get this dv9000’s MM keys working too)

has #bash been taken over? everyone has op when they join it seems
O_o

w00t

No, that’s just revolutionary channel policy. Off-topic for here though.

whoa
O_o

i get a recursive error when trying to emerge…
shared-mime-info

ping

i missed IRC

pong

now i have CONFIG_NAT_NF=y in /proc/config.gz . I recompiled iptables, restarted PC, but still getting same error

PING?
PONG!

so when i go from a 1680×1050 X session back to console, my screen gets all fuxored. i think it has something to do with vesafb only supporting 1280×1024. i’m using nvidia drivers btw. any help would be appreciated

could someone have a look at an error message for me
see if they have any clues?

don’t ask to ask. Just ask

so that only happens when your X session is 1680×1050? can you rectify the situation by setting a new video mode with fbset?

http://rafb.net/p/i3Rwvr15.html
haha, you’ve said that before kojiro

it’s expat again
run scanelf -plRBF ‘%F %n’ | awk ‘/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}’ | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u

…

pastebin the output unless it’s less than 2 lines

seriously. how the hell do you remember these things _

tell John about expat

privmsgd John about “expat”

*that* is how

haha

so the configure is specific to automake too?

but don’t run the whole command, just give me the bit I asked for

hehehe

looks like i will make a suicide becouse of iptables.

iptables isn’t worth your life, man

no, you could write your own configure script, but autotools refers to autoconf and automake used together as they usually are…in fact, I’ve never seen a package use only one of the two, it either uses autotools or not

look at shorewall

are they worth last 5 hours of my life?

(i’m in windows now), what will fbset do? i’m using nvidia for x, and the console is completely unusable after i kill x

maybe, if you have a quest for something (security? knowledge? pain?)

i mean, technically it’s still working, i just can’t make out what’s on the screen

pain…

nah – I’d spend my last 5 hours with something way … more exciting…

fbset will set video modes for the framebuffer. use ssh or type blindly if you can’t see anything on the console

are you saying iptabes isn’t exciting?
lol

heh, yeah, I’d go bungee jumping, too

i don’t know what autotools vs automake is and such. that howto you gave me, the mrbook one, that last Makefile, what’s the $ (for target .cpp.o: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $ -o $@) I don’t understand the $@ and what a dereference is

i was under the impression that vesafb couldn’t do more than 1280×1024?

it tells me:

ah, you mean for me to set it back to that

qfile: No such file or directory

woo, new version of RealPlayer is out!

$ is the dependencies, $@ is the target

I’m talking more about humping everything that moves or something like that *blushes*

vesa defines at least one mode (1600×1200) larger than 1280×1024

If I may ask, why are you asking these kinds of questions in #gentoo?

emerge portage-utils and try again

i’m sorry . . . i was keeping a previous conversation alive

If I’d knew I’d kick the bucket in 5 hours…

yeah, I guess it is kinda off-topic

i didn’t know where else to ask, #automake didn’t exist
kick me too
err, not /kick though

okay =P

unless you want to .

It’s ok, we’re forgiving people.

do you happen to know how i can start in a higher res? the docs only go up to the code for 1280×1204x32: 0×31B, i think

cool
6 lines
shall i?
i’ve already now done 4

Shall you what? Flood? No. rafb.net/paste

no

should i try reading man pages 347 to 354?

pastebin, if you please

I have no idea

maybe with vesafb-tng or uvesafb

http://rafb.net/p/VFH6KM98.html

hmm

okay, five lines =P
anything suspicous?

i dont know how to read a manpage no.

gettext is another evil monster like expat

i was also under the impression that one can not use vesafb-tng with nvidia?

not quite as bad, though

hello

Linux 2.6.22, iptables 1.3.8. I have everything about netfilter enabled in kernel and, for example, `zgrep NF_NAT /proc/configz` returns “CONFIG_NF_NAT=y”. But iptables still aren`t working becouse of “can’t initialize iptables table `nat`”. Looks like i will make a suicide.

lol at ‘aren’t’

you can’t use nvidiafb with nvidia binary drivers, and vesafb-tng won’t work on amd64. but all other combinations should work

ahh, all this infomation

bleh

i feel like a fat bloated sponge
lol

yeah, i am not good at english

gettext & expat is evil
got it
lol

well that’s good to know

well it just should have been isn’t that’s all. iptables is just one thing, it’s the name of the program

iptables are evil. They are trying to kill me.

is*

hi room. have an emerge question

time to recompile some kernelage

thanks for lesson

thanks chithead

lol

did you upgrade linux-kernel-headers recently? maybe try to rebuild iptables

i can handle iptables. just takes a bit of practise
especialy the harder stuff

_necessary_ evils

hehehe

i rebuilded iptables many many times

quickpkg gettext is the next step

is there a command to download packages AND dependencies without merging?

emerge -f

quickpkg
that rings a bell.
something to do with reverting back when you screw up

yes, that will create a binary package of the gettext you already have

jeesh i finally found it

I’ve done as far as I know what you and mzbot requested is there a way to test and see if it has been effective?

man 1p make

are you talking about expat?

oh, i get it, it was used because the target was used as .cpp
err .cpp.o

thank you kojiro :]

didnt get the deps with that command. hmm

DONE
oh, sorry, caps

yes that’s correct.

You might also find the online/html manual more readable… http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html

probably; thanks

I fixed my ALSA problems with hda_intel. alsa-lib-1.0.14a-r1 introduces new ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS variable, which is currently undefined. Adding all plugins to /etc/make.conf fixed the problem.

just run the part of what mzbot says inside ()

ok

it will output a list of packages that still contain stuff that links to the old expat

yeah, whats with the new alsa plugins?

tell me how to fix iptables

Sorry, you are not allowed to do that.

thanks

kojiro_and_kerframil’s_script++

heh

shared-mime-info still causes errors

kojiro_and_kerframil’s_script– (pending review)

yeah, we haven’t fixed it yet.. The next thing I want you to do is to fgrep ‘that list you just gave me’ /var/lib/portage/world

can i use -o [onlydeps] with -f command?

erm

obviously, replace ‘that list you just gave me’ with the of packages you just gave me

so…

you confuse me

fgrep ‘media-libs/fontconfig net-irc/xchat sys-devel/gettext…

He said he still has problems, so I’m holding your point in escrow.

no, the newlines are important
heh

… ‘ /var/lib/portage/world
oh right, so one at a time?

john never ran my script before
no, all at once… here

you want the list?

Ah I see.. “DONE” referred merely to the quickpkg command. Jumped the gun, I did.

sorry, brain isn’t working. It’s like 2:30am

fgrep $’media-libs/fontconfig\nnet-irc/xchat\nsys-devel/gettext\nx11-libs/gtk+\nx11-libs/pango’ /var/lib/portage/world
run that exactly

ahhh
i follow now
thank you ^_^

I have a problem getting apache2 and php mysql web hosting back on line. I’ve tried quite a few forums but I have yet to get it up.

did you run the scanelf bit in the middle, like I said?

when I try to add a user with the group games and plugdev i get an error, useradd: invalud numeric argument ‘insert games/plugdev

that’s not a question, it’s a statement.

What is the full command you’re adding? (without password info)

() I didn’t really understand you but I did look for where it was located . I don’t know If it is correct could you show me oncew more?

faq expat

expat-2.0.1 is not ABI compatible with earlier versions. Run the following in bash to fix: “emerge -n1 ‘=portage-2.1.2.12′ portage-utils && emerge -qep world | grep –color=never -oFf (scanelf -plRBF ‘%F %n’ | awk ‘/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}’ | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e
“libtool\ncurl”) | xargs emerge -1″. If a specific package fails, “/msg mzbot faq remerge-deep” for advice (gtk+/pango are common).

It’s a work of art.

useradd -m -G users,wheel,audio,cdrom,portage,usb,video,games,plugdev -s /bin/bash username

(scanelf -plRBF…sort -u)
without the ( and )

what’s a good gentoo network setup package? hopefully equivalent to livecd’s net-setup

oh sorry, ????? is that better now? ;P

And does there exist group ‘plugdev’?

okay kojiro – what’s the next?

what was the output?

the handbook states that there is such group :p

anyone expert here on cable modems and docsis ?

What does `grep plugdev /etc/group` state?

run this -(scanelf -plRBF ‘%F %n’ | awk ‘/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}’ | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u; echo -e “libtool\ncurl”) | xargs emerge -1

11-libs/gtk+\nx11-libs/pango’ /var/lib/portage/world
net-irc/xchat

groupadd plugdev anyway

or the whole thing?

almost

wait no

comes up as blank

i lie

just scanelf -plRBF ‘%F %n’ | awk ‘/libexpat.so.0/{print $1}’ | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u

the top line is what i typed xD

See kojiro’s command.

just net-irc/xchat

good, ok

Does anyone know of a linux program that is basically like WinSCP that uses an ncurses interface?

cheers

it gave me a list. what does it mean?

try mc

emerge -C media-libs/fontconfig net-irc/xchat sys-devel/gettext x11-libs/gtk+ x11-libs/pango && emerge -1 media-libs/fontconfig net-irc/xchat sys-devel/gettext x11-libs/gtk+ x11-libs/pango && emerge -n net-irc/xchat
those are packages that aren’t fixed yet
pastebin the list

ok coming up

mc?

yes

URL i don’t have it installed

http://gentoo-portage.com/app-misc/mc

Here’s the list http://rafb.net/p/FLIrh941.html

any of that stuff in your worldfile?

running :]

I not sure If I know where to check but the only one that seems important is mail-client/evolution
net-dns/avahi
I think early on I made a mistake and emerged kde along with gnome.

well, if you don’t want that stuff the fix is really easy
but anyway, unmerge everything on that list, and also unmerge apr, and then emerge -1 libtool apr anything else you want to keep that you unmerged

I really need apache2 and mysql back on line I’ve been fight to accompliush this for almost a week now!

that’s pretty easy: emerge -C apr apr-util && emerge -1 libtool apache && emerge -n apache

what packages contains lspci?

If I want to keep some of the one’s that are still broken what is the procedure?

If i have a image (made with ddrescue) of a whole drive, is there a way to mount on of the partitions in it?

just emerge again?
or emerge –unmerge and then emerge again?

acx, pciutils

unmerge them and emerge -1 them

ty

thanx

what’s a good disassembler?

so i’m trying to restrict gentoo from upgrading my kernel (vanilla) for me, and i added sys-kernel/vanilla-sources to package.mask and then sys-kernel/vanilla-sources.2.6.18 to package.provided.
why doesn’t it work anymore?

Hello.
What do I need to configure in order for /etc/resolv.conf to get set up correctly at boot?

How would I go about finding out why the rsyncable patch to gzip isn’t enabled?

/msg mzbot faq apr-util

I’m reading the Gentoo networking documentation, but I do not see anything about resolv.conf

okay kojiro, all done :]
no problems ^_^

run the scanelf bit again

Hi all. Is there a way to install gentoo from compiled binaries directly?

hm

testusr, yes, but you have to provide the binaries.

it doesn’t like the old scanelf line

if i’m only adding a module into the kernel, can I get away with simply running: make modules && make modules_install?

gives me proper useage functions

then something is wrong: what did you type?

Draconx, If I download the livedvd, will it have the compiled dvds on it?
Draconx – oops, i meant compiled packages

scanelf -plRBF ‘%F %n’ | awk ‘libexpat.so.0/{print $1}’ | xargs qfile -qC | sort -u

testusr, gentoo doesn’t provide binaries for most packages.

i think it’s qfile that is telling me now i’m not using it right
but it didn’t do that before

/usr/libexec/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed how can i fix my cups problem?

My goal is to determine the fastest way of going from booting off the cd to gui based desktop using Gentoo
is there an option that will allow for it – or am i to look at other distros if I want that?

that depends on whether you want Gentoo…or you just want a quick install

hmmm how do more than one USE flag in a command

it’s theoretically possible, but you’d need to find the binaries. Gentoo doesn’t provide them

for instance USE=mysql opengl emerge -pv x11-libs/qt-3*

*ahem*

Either you use a stage 3 install(if i recall the stage) which use precompiled packages

livecd

use quotes

vizo_xp, put quotes around the flags
like USE=”blah blah blah” emerge …

USE=”flag1 flag2″ but that is not recommended. put it in package.use instead

then after you set up your cfflags and use and re-emerge en recompile all to your arch

err you should only do that if you want your system to freak out and die next time you update

don’t do that

or you go to another distro.:p

do as chithead said

(a binary one, not a source one)

ok thanks

ach, what was I thinking?

testusr, sure – 1) prepare all the binary packages you plan on installing, in addition to whatever configuration files you want 2) boot the cd, and 3) install them. Since most of the time will be spent before you boot the cd, the time between booting the cd and finishing your install will be
quite short.

you should(as i learned not so long ago) use package specific use and keywords.:p
otherwise there is much trouble when you do a emerge world….
Nice one!:p

ah sweet! i gave emerge -u world and it’s running again!

what is a good sotf to create dvds from avis, that support custom menus and subtitles?

hi

How do I set my local domain name, and also my name servers?

Renfield, look into /etc and you’ll find

unl0cker, there is dvdauthor, though I’ve never used it.

Draconx, thx Ill try

What? I’m looking in /etc.

“!!! ARCH is not set… Are you missing the ‘/etc/make.profile’ symlink?”

Could you be more specific?

any idea why the tlan driver is not available for amd64? neither i can get this driver on my box, not a friend of mine has it on the gentoo live cd (my friend needs this driver)

when I try to emerge someting
thing*

/etc/conf.d/domainname

The Gentoo networking documentation says to set register your domain name name like so: dns_domain_eth0=”tron”
Should I not do this?

scorch, erm, have you actually set your profile correctly?

Depends how are you setting the box up

I did as the guide said

but try the handbook

ln -snf /usr/portage/profiles/hardened/ /etc/make.profile

this is the domain name that will be used for dns lookups on eth0. if that is what you want, go ahead

see if works for your purposes

unl0cker I did. It does not tell me how to set up /etc/resolv.conf

man resolv.conf

It tells me how to set a static IP, and a gateway.

Are u using dhcp?

I added the values I needed into /etc/resolv.conf, and when I rebooted they were overwritten.
So this leads me to believe that Gentoo has some other configuration file into which I need to put the stuff that will end up in /etc/resolv.conf after a reboot.

because you are using dhcp

yes, they are overwritten by the /etc/init.d/net.eth0 script which reads the /etc/conf.d/net*

and dhcp is populating the resolv file

I am not. I have eth0 set as a static host IP.

not necessarily

my bad then
thats what i have here

Ok, so what do I put into which file to have the correct values inserted into /etc/resolv.conf?

edit /etc/net?

hello again, old friends it feels good to be using Gentoo again

plenty of examples in /etc/conf.d/net.example

I do have a question – I’m booted to the 2006 liveDVD. I’m impatient to begin my install. Should I torrent the 2007 liveDVD instead?

Ok, I think I found it. Thanks.

while booted off the 2006 DVD, download the current stage3 and use that for your install.

thank you nDuff

as long as you’re using a new stage3, it doesn’t really matter what media you’re booted off of.

Renfield, no.. say thanks to chithead … he’s your helper here

Ok, thanks chithead.

is there a command to break out of the script completely? For example if an if statement fails how can I just leave the script and not execute anything else in it?

i need a url for my i686 stage3 tarball please

exit

i’ve forgotten so much. sorry

, ok ill try that. thanks

anyone use avrdude and seen an error like this – avrdude: ser_open(): can’t set attributes for device “/dev/ttyS0″: Inappropriate ioctl for device
I think its a kenrnel config for serial or something
but no idea really

mzbot gentoo Scorpaen mirrors
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml

thank you juc0

crud_linux, what coomand is triggering the err?

now i’m trying to remember if i need i686 or x86 for my athlon xp…

i686

unl0cker, avrdude -p atmega169 -c butterfly -P /dev/ttyS0 -U flash:w:/home/bocephus/bf_gcc_20070517b/bf_gcc/default/bf_gcc.hex

thank you, Triffid_Hunter

hello, channel

x86 stage3 is for 386s..

emacs-cvs-23.0.50 emacs-cvs-23.0.0-r7, which one should I choise?

lo, how do i go about detecting eth0
was a net-setup utility on livecd, but now i have no idea

depends on your needs, emacs-cvs-23.0.50 is newer, but emacs-cvs-23.0.0.-r7 could be more stable(could!)

both of them are cvs, why do you say that?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=8

I still can’t emerge

chithead, yes, i had it set to ‘Code listing 10′ …

I think emacs-23.0.50 is more stable than emacs-23.0.0 ;p

the second line of that listing is something you probably don’t want

crud_linux, USB?

why would you think so the -r7 makes me think it’s more stable(it’s a pached version as it seems), the other one is pure

ah, I think you don’t use emacs

unl0cker, no this is an atmel avr butterfly connected to a serial port I’m trying to program with avrdude

honestly I’ve to admit that I don’t know it(nor how the packages are named, but I’d have assumed, that 23.0.0-r7 is more stable
you got me there, I’m a vim user

haha, not as you thought so, ok, after seeing its ebuild, I know the 23.0.50 is what I want ;p
thank you anyway

hm

but only from checking the ebuild or is there a secret behind the naming of ebuilds?

If I run the expat fix from mzbot, will that require manual intervention later to keep running?

dammit
got a new error
it’s almost 4am too _
http://rafb.net/p/j9uhyi54.html

chithead, doesnt alter the result

checking the ebuild and see the ECVS_SERVER and ECVS_MODULE lines

Since recent updates lshd no longer works… connecting with ssh hangs, putty gives a message “Server refused to allocate pty”, scp and pscp say no such file or directory. Any ideas?

does “ifconfig -a” list your network device?

no

any ideas what’s causing it to say i have an unusable .config in the kernel source directory?

chithead, eth0 does not exist

then your kernel is not configured correctly. you need to enable the driver for your network card

k

crud_linux, try -P/dev/ttyS0

why won’t lshd allocate a pty or send files?

unl0cker, no diff

when I run a verbose pretend ‘emerge world’ i get a bunch of “such and such is blocking such and such” and when I try to unmerge such and such portage complains the package doesn’t exist

illuminum – does a file named expatlib.so.0 ring a bell?

wasn’t it in the topic?

qe2eqe no it does not
what should i do?

Yep. His problem sounded like my problem. That part of the problem about circular packages I resolved by changing my /etc/portage/keywords file… and I removed a line from portages world file. Don’t know how good of an idea that was….

/msg mzbot faq expat
?

to end the speculation here, please pastebin the emerge output

my lshd recently quit accepting connections, it refuses to allocate a pty and won’t send files via scp, how can i fix it?

crud_linux, try the gui

unl0cker, gui? avrdude has a gui?

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=125549&package_id=139089&release_id=291782

“No mixer elems found”. I tryed compiling alsa and the correct driver in-kernel, as kernel modules, and with alsa-driver. I followed the docs of http://www.gentoo.org/doc/fr/alsa-guide.xml, have googled, searched and read gentoo forum’s
related messages, and i can’t find anyway to get a mixer on this card. Everything else seems as expected. Any clue please ?

check portage as well

brb, rebooting

k

how to kill X server?
killall -9 xorg ?

ctrl+alt+backspace

xchat is friggin’ cool with it’s loading of the last logs
anyway, Hello people

heh, I scripted that into mirc many years ago

Triffid_Hunter, cool, a truely great idea
truly

chithead, actually, before i get into that, is there a way to do it with hotplug? except that the package was renamed..?

? you need kernel support for your card. if you build it as a module, udev will load it automatically on boot

Mirrakor, killall -9 X should make it go away, but is not the safest of operations. You should always properly shut down X (killall X would do, or ctrl+alt+backspace if you haven’t disabled that) if you can.

also, stopping the display manager (xdm/gdm/kdm/…) will terminate the X server

if I wanted to see all the latest installs and updates, would this be the /var/log/portage dir?

hey guys
anyone here?

could be

sweet

I might be lying, too

i get an error while emerging eclipse
i bet your ling
here is the thing
Using /opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.02 for java5home
Error occurred during initialization of VM
Could not reserve enough space for object heap
i got about 4gb free
for temp stuff

4GB of RAM?

greetings all

no
on df -h

I’m pretty sure that’s talking about RAM

1 gb of ram

when i mount my cd using mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom it works. but i enabled hal and now when i try to let hal mount it it says unknown fs ‘audo’

somewhere ‘auto’ is misspelled as ‘audo’

audo is misspelled
had to be auto
propably in /etc/fstab
how would i free up ram?

that sounds like something i would do, yet i did not type auto or audo anywhere

how much swap do you have?

exept for reboot to cli?
thinks its 2gb
lemme check
maybe more like 5

nm i did infact do that, i typed it wrong in fstab haa haa i never even would have noticed. ty

np
looks like 1gb of ram and 5 of swap

i have a bit of a problem

should be good enough

and swap is active? check ‘top’ how much swap is free

apparently i don’t have a usable .config in the kernel sources directory
do i have to use something to generate that?

nearly all

./usr/src/linux

make menuconfig will create a .config

are you installing?

cheers chithead :]

or recompiling?

nvidia drivers

ah, fun

*nvidia-drivers

loved doing that too
ati for me

i just did make menuconfig
“no rule to make target
do i have to be in a certain directory?

yes

yeah

/usr/src/linux

haha
silly me ^_^

hey guys… i have a compile error compiling boost, and it doesn’t say much, so if anyone is familiar with it i would be very grateful: http://amarok.pastebin.ca/675386

kojiro! everything seems to have worked

I’m living in a RAMDisk on a box too small for an Ubuntu livecd, but it booted Gentoo’s livecd. Tomorrow a modern box arrives; what packages should I investigate for virtual linux (e.g. a gentoo compilation box)? I need text-only docs I can read
tonight.

woah

good

blue screen heloing me to make this kernel thing

yeah

i don’t have a clue what these options mean…

check the gentoo installer handbook
good stuff in there bout the kenel
any idea?

I can’t remember the name of the program which makes an X server inside of another
like as a window

not really. Maybe check in #gentoo-java?

Xnest

ill try that
thanks

eternaleye, thanks

Xephyr is better than Xnest (compile X with kdrive USE-flag)

Hi guys… i got a problem here.. hope someone helps me out. What happens is that when i run some apps full screen, like Blender or VirtualBox, the Gnome bars wont go away. I would like to know how to make them go to the bottom

anyone please ?

what bars are you talking about?

Wofl, the up and down bar. the all life gnome bars

hmmm, im sure you can put em on autohide, but i use kde so i cant check…
might try the gnome channel

wich is?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_Complete_%28includes_dmix and after u do everything you may try alsaconf to configure it

##gnome

ops wrong link http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_Complete_%28includes_dmix%29

many thanks Wofl

np

thanks, i have tryed both proposed install procedures, and `cat /proc/asound/cards` returns expected values, but i still can’t get alsamixer to run correctly

I’ve got apache 2.0.58-r2 emeerged but for some reason I still have to contend with mysql which just won’t start.

if you run that scanelf command again does it output any package names?
uif you run that scanelf command again does it output any package names?/u

thanks for the assist folks

just a moment I’ll find out.

I gave this channel mad props http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4211956.html#4211956
I gave this channel mad props a href=”http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4211956.html#4211956″http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4211956.html#4211956/a

thanks!

I 3 Gentoo folks
lol!
kojiro, you reading my post?

note that it worked perfectly with all previous kernels (which i have dumbly deleted) of that install since a half a year

after a recent world update i am having Access Violations during install of gnome-applets and epiphany when emerge tries to unlink /usr/share/xml2po/docbook.pyc.

Scorpaen, read my reply

t35t0r, I was using Kubuntu when I needed help. there is no emerge in kubuntu
bt35t0r, I was using Kubuntu when I needed help. there is no emerge in kubuntu/b
I think you misread my post

you misread my point
is there screen in kubuntu ?

my point being, kubuntu cd is in the garbage now and i’m back to Gentoo
need I say more?

there is apt-get and aptitude

don’t talk about apt in here
lol

it’s not like it doesn’t have package management

I’m not here to trash Kubntu
i’m here to say I love Gentoo

what channel did you go to with 120 some members? #kubuntu ?

ubuntu+1

why didn’t you just go to 3ubuntu

i was using Gutsy

just because you didn’t find the package manager isn’t a reason to trash on a distro ..

I’ve checked it and the ones I had the chance to take off are no longer there.

ahem

raventh1, you miss my point

good, is there anything left?

i left because they didn’t help me

ok, gents, if you wish to continue missing each other’s points please do it in #gentoo-chat

i got help in HERE

So what you have instructed me to do has done it.

sometimes there’s no help in here ..just a better chance of getting it because there are 931 people

ok, so mysql is probably a different prob

sorry about that kojiro

’sok

moral of the story, learn to find shit on your own.

language

#gentoo isn’t that much better

join me in #gentoo-chat

yeah, but when all other searching fails, I can normally find someone in here who can help me, at least eventually. so they do better than I do

I have to say php mysql web hosting was taken out due to trying to include ldap and in the process I hosed my whole system.

err?

hey
I need some info

yeah ouch!!

does your foot taste like metal?

koj and it has taken quitwe a while to restore it ./

if I’ll install pentoo as instructed will the desktop and all the stuff be like it is in livecd version of this linux distro?

um… this isn’t #pentoo
#gentoo and #pentoo aren’t affiliated

well I know…but there really isn’t any good channel for this

mysql has not given in yet to what the cause and fix is mysqld is not being seen on 3306
port

if I wanted to see all the latest installs and updates, would this be the /var/log/portage dir?

ironfoot495 from internal or external?

internal

usually just /var/log/emerge.log
but if you have qlop from portage-utils, or genlop, it’s a bit nicer to read

my error regarding the access violations appears to be due to not running python-updater. i do recall catching this warning fly by during the emerge world,

if I install a genkernel on a hard drive in my system and move the hard drive to another, it should boot, right? because the computer I want to run it on has no boot medium

Daryltoo, just make sure it has all the hardware support needed

ok. can I copy a livecd image host directly over and install grub?
no, thats probably bad too
don’t answer that

lol

omg
party time

what kind of connection to it do you have?
HAMMERTIME

No outdated packages on my system!

only the ones I haven’t taken off yet.

lo
not hammer time just yet :p

who, what?

dang

seriously. thank you so much

no, hammer time is when you really screw up

you too wofl
lol
hehehe

sure
i screwed up HAMMERTIME

emerge -uDNv world results in everything being updated :]
i think that means my system is working ^_^

like when you try to log in and the machine goes “Can’t touch this.”

haha

that’s hammertime. break it down.

someone wanted to know if it was external or internal but here is a copy of my netstat -ap http://rafb.net/p/GXiGFP94.html

john, i would update the toolchain first

wtf is the tool chain?

I have no connection really.. it has an ethernet jack.

oh wait
i remember
something to do with the programs i regularly use

or a usb drive, but the gentoo usb install guide won’t seem to work

john, everythng updated before that will be compiled against the old stuff

emerge -uDNv world is nice, but it doesn’t guarantee everything is working.

right
oh no?

run revdep-rebuild

i’m –sync’ing right now

toolchain is bin-utils, gcc and linux headers +extras (i think)

one sec

don’t sync *after* you emerge -uDNv world, that’s rather pointless

Daryltoo, can it boot of the network?

I think it can, but I have no familiarity with doing that

revdep’ing
does this take a long time?

that might be a good solution though, but its your call

it can, but hopefully not

it’s an epia-5000 or something like that, one of those via eden mini-itx 533mhz suckers

done

or a live-usb stick, i use those

that was quicker than i expected

could propably install from one of them

sorry to disappoint. I’ll try to make it slower for you.

hammertime!

maybe next time ^_^
hahaha

yeah, can ou recommend a good install guide? the gentoo usb boot guide doesn’t work. syslinux says it can’t find the kernel

Woah-w-woah-woah

k, I’m getting the following on my serial – gentoo-desktop dev # stty /dev/ttyS0 produces stty: standard input: Input/output error

hash\(%hash1, %hash2); ?

i use slax on my usb stick

because hash is a command

i assume you can chroot into the drive and install from there

is that slackware?
yeah, should work one would think?

ok, poor example, assuming the hash name is not hash

lemme see

is that supposed to be perl, or what?

nevermind I found it wofl

I have no idea what you’re trying to do.

dood, ww, sorry

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml
or try this

anyone know which fwcutter is needed for a bcm94311 rev 01?

anyone tell me how to go about debuging a serial port connection?

brb bath

where is that file which you have to add masked packages found again?

gentoo John package.unmask

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=3

I’m having one hell of a problem trying to get my wireless pccard to work

is there a program that can detect differences between binary files? does diff do this?

WPC11 v3, I’ve compiled orinoco_cs as a module. when I stick the card in, it will load the driver, the card will show up in iwconfig and ifconfig, but even with specifying every last detail for iwconfig, the card won’t assoiciate with any APs, and iwlist scanning doesn’t work
yes, diff will perform that task

I want to detect any changes that may have been made with a hex editor
I tried to just sdiff the two files, but is there a specific command that I can get from sdiff –help?
I tried man diff, but it doesn’t show any specific switch for comparing binaries

righto
i’m off to bed
psymin!
hey :]

night

night wofl

hammertime
bedtime

hahah
yeah, that’s more like it =P

same thing

hehe

cya later

later mate!
see yah *

So .. did John get his issue fixed?

Why do I want multiple automake versions? I have so many installed, I don’t know why automake-wrapper is installed

Sakkath, because some build systems demand specific versions of automake.

any way i can determine if i can rid of a few?

psymin, i think more or less, not sure

newer versions aren’t backwards-compatible?

Sakkath, not completely.

Wofl, Thanks, I was hoping there was a happy ending to the day-long saga

I see.

sure, i hope so too, all the time

what is ‘autotools’?

Sakkath, a term often used to refer collectively to autoconf, automake, and libtool.

Tools designed to automatically make development as difficult as possible

maybe i can do like an equery to see if anything depends on the other versions?
well autoconf is part of automake right? i dont knwo what libtool is though

Assuming ebuild dependencies are correct, depclean should remove automake versions that aren’t needed to build any installed package.

thank you, is it safe?

Sakkath, no, autoconf and automake are different programs.

oh i se
+e
and autoconf is a different package too? heh. autoscan is part of ac though
I’ve got a lot to learn
QOTD:
“You’re so dumb you don’t even have wisdom teeth.”
lol

Sakkath, well, autoscan is just a tool for automatically generating (bad) input for autoconf.

and autoheader?
‘Create a template header for configure’

hi, how can I disable one of my network interfaces (eth1) so the system never attempts to start it?

remove it from the default runlevel
when you say ‘never attempts to start it’ do you mean at boot?

it doesn’t appear in rc-update -s

do you use ifplugd?

in my boot log I can see * Device initiated services: net.eth1 udev-postmount

why do you have the NIC if you never want to use it?

I booted off the insallation CD / live cd. When I start a root terminal (or do su), it needs a root password. What is it? I already tried just hitting enter

it’s pre-scrambled
set one

it’s the wireless connection; I used it before but I don’t need/want it now

maybe toor

with passwd?

disable in bios?
yes

I’d rather disable it in linux, if possible

well i would think it would cause for less resources, probably hardly any but whatever
you can remove the actual runscript since it’s just but a symink
symlink

;/

as the normal user, passwd asks for the password.

pearpc broken in portage

or should be, to net.lo

it keeps trying to connect all the time, fails, logs stuff
oh, why didn’t I think of that?

then do it as root?

but I can’t get root access without the password

well it’s a simple solution but i honestly wouldn’t knwo what else would be automatically startin git
then do it via console

unless ctrl+alt+f1 works…

^
the livecd doesn’t come with sudo, does it?

umm….
I forgot to check

Where can I find a guide to set up a network interface in /etc/conf.d/net that need to run an external program (gvpe) to exist?

oh- how do I get back to a gui after ctl + alt + f1

maybe you can make a runscript for gvpe and then edit the /etc/conf.d/net.blah runscript (don’t use a symlink, just cp, i guess) and do depend gvpe, or something, MAYBE that would work?
or need, donno whether to use need or depend. i’m not familliar with gentoo runscript syntax
it’s like ctrl-alt-f7
or f8 maybe
xorg resides on one of the tty’s

ahhh- I never knew why that worked; thanks

:p

and it turns out sudo bash got me a root shell…

well sudo -i would have done fine

have a look at /etc/conf,d/net.example, there’s some pre and post script hooks there

long time no talk
guess you don’t really know me but i’m sure we talked here slightly

I’ll try that

yes, and I should be asleep

then have at it, catch ya later

nah, need to stay awake a bit
no thanks, I still want to sleep

lol

I’m trying to put store my gpg private key on a usb drive. Is the only way to do this to create a symlink to the usb drive?

why symlink?

Doesn’t gnupg look for the key in ~/.gnupg? Can you specify another key on the command line?

ok, where can i find net-setup and lspci in portage?

not sure about net-setup, lspci is in pci-utils

hmm

k bonsaikitten

thanks that worked, much simpler then I thought

emerge and esearch show nothing for pci-utils

sys-apps/pciutils

ah, k

Still alive?

Somebody knows that error is this, is happening with some programs –http://rafb.net/p/7agkTK35.html

hello everbody, iirc ccache isn’t used when making a kernel ? is it possible and interresting to set up if you have like 15-20 ‘make clean && make’ to do ?

hellp!!

python-updater might help

what is the command for listing hardware

ok

is there a way to get .aiff support in kaffeine?

will udev load wireless drivers on boot? for some reason, wireless drivers i have installed as modules are loaded even though i don’t have those modules listed in /etc/modules.autoload.d/.

You might be talking about lspci

thats it thnx

i need help installing grub via cmd line from the liveDVD as my install failed

udev now blacklists any modules on /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6
You better upload the error, your grub.conf and the output of fdisk -l with some comments

interesting. thing is, i don’t have anything listed in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6.

what i’m looking for is the cmd line for installing grub to hda

so no aiff support

grub-install /dev/hda

i rebooted and i’m back on the liveDVD

grub-install –no-floppy /dev/hda

so udev will load them. unless you use RC_PLUG_SERVICES on /etc/conf.d/rc

Cannot open root device “sdb2″ or unknown-block(0,0)

Or you can use grub directly

i get a few errors when i do that
do i have to chroot first?

and not as modules m

Yes, you need to chroot

And that’ll work for SATA as well?

Yes. Sata requires scsi support in the kernel

in mplayer I cannot click on any buttons _
any ideas why?

gentoo cannot tell if we modprobe a module and the module is already inserted, is it? instead it always tell invalid module format??

NeddySeagoon, the module in the kernel is ieee…..

modprobe ieee80211

cruxeternus, but who is requesting it is rt2×00 package

my system is not catting the .config…

MAC80211 [=m] Prompt: Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack (mac80211)
bob__ get nopaste

You mean `cat /usr/src/linux/.config` doesn’t do anything?

NeddySeagoon, sorry… I missunderstood…

chjunior, I think it was my fault … I pasted the wrong thing before

http://rafb.net/p/veE7jz12.html (yes, cat was freezing, but less worked)

NeddySeagoon, where is that you said now?

i’m trying to config distcc but when i use the command distcc-config –install it gets a configuration is locked error

YES
test successfull
Im ready bugzilla

And what SATA chipset do you have again?

chjunior, the search will tell you

ne help with my distcc issue?

Marvell.

NeddySeagoon, using / ? I told you… it’s not working….

cock, big cock
hurting
ass

STOP that

i

bob__your root is on /dev/hda3 ? please pastebin your lspci

got
fuck

plz

in
my
ass

can i install grub to the beginning of reiserfs partition?

http://rafb.net/p/tAdaf581.html
I should point out that if you look at my first paste, the kernel is identifying the SATA drives.

hey guys ne help on the distcc issue i’m havin

Have you tried booting with that config’ed kernel yet?
Because *that* looks good.

the only difference between the one i pasted and the one i just failed to boot with is putting more drives into * rather than modules… its not done compiling yet, but i’ll let you know when it is.

thats the issue

NeddySeagoon, in tty1 it worked

huh? which driver is problematic?

NeddySeagoon, what is you kernel version?

bob__ The PIIX under IDE
chjunior, 2.6.22-r1

But it is loading the kernel properly, which is all it has to get from the IDE drive. Everything else (root, where the error occurs) is on a SATA drive. Are you sure about this Neddy?

bob__, Hmm .. one sec

NeddySeagoon, searching in menuconfig didn’t returned the samething that returned for you

Keep in mind that this might also be a driver-ordering issue… which means what you think is /dev/sde, might not be when the thing boots up. This can be affected by not loading the drivers for *all* the hard drives at boot-up.

NeddySeagoon, I tryed “by hand” adding in the .config file… and now I got a “.config:1658:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol MAC80211″

So, if you have some as modules, those won’t register until much later in the process.

nonexistent symbol….

yes, is possible. more sophisticated than i know how to diagnose. however, all the sata drives are on the same controller.

chjunior, the kernel does not know MAC80211 then

NeddySeagoon, I use 2.6.21-gentoo-r4
NeddySeagoon, so, it’s available in r1, but is not in r4…. =/

hey come on i’d like some help solving this distcc issue i got, so i can have it workin on my network

http://pastebin.org/371
any ideas ?

I just read somewhere I should be using the */desktop profile. Am I OK to just eselect it and carry on as usual?

If you know how to play with GRUB, what you can do is edit the GRUB bootline from the GRUB menu (‘e’, I think) and experiment with different values of /dev/sd* until you hit the right one. Granted, that involves a few trail-and-error boots, but if it’s a driver ordering issue, that will tell you.
drive*

but if it is not that issue and i try this, isn’t it going to screw with the partitions on those other drives?

No.. when you ‘e’ in the GRUB menu, it just makes a temporary change to how it tries to boot… it won’t make changes to your partitions

right, but when the kernel tries to access that partition, and its not what the kernel thinks its going to be…

NeddySeagoon, what about patch the kernel? http://intellinuxwireless.org/mac80211

hello all, is there an ebuild (in standard portage tree or overlay) for kpager2 ( http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7120 )?

is there any way to make control+enter add http://www.*.com around a url in epiphany like in firefox?

Then it will give you an error telling you so.

how would you go about setting your gentoo box up so a mac on the same network can ftp in a grab the songs off of it?

chjunior, update to the testing kernel

cute… lets see what happens when this kernel compiles

NeddySeagoon, ok

bob__, the kernel looks ok …

is there any rule of creating a changelog ?

Before you reboot, can you also nopaste/wgetpaste your ‘fdisk -l /dev/sde’?

here it is http://rafb.net/p/tjnSkV44.html

windows machine uses mingw, ubuntu machine runs distcc and compiles mingw .o files for the windows machine?

bob__ it should not need an initrd , so remove the initrd line in grub.conf and root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=8192, then change ral_root=/dev/sde1 to be root=/dev/sde1

And what filesystem is /dev/sde1?

Santanabaer look at one from the portage tree and copy the format or extend the one thats there

i’m starting get a little ticked off now is someone going to be able to help me with my distcc issue, when i use the –install command with distcc-config it says the file is locked that it tries to modify how do i unlock it!

ahh ok

ext3

how would you go about setting your gentoo box up so a mac on the same network can ftp in a grab the songs off of it?

Ok, that checks out. Everything looks good as far as I can tell.

bob__ have you been remaking the initrd ?

yes
should i use an initramfs in grub?

bob__, try a boot without it, now its not required

ok… taking forever to compile…

bob__, no and drop all the ramdrive stuff from the kernel line too

NeddySeagoon, 2000_mac80211-rtnl-deadlock.patch wow!

will do. that was actually just there as an experiment, because that stuff was on the genkernel line and genkernel boots
do i need to tell grub to “doscsi”?

bob__, how did you get a PCI-X card into a ICH4 chipset motherboard ?

I’m not sure i understand what you’re referring to?

bob__, nope … the kernel has everything it needs

woooooo sco is ded

I’d like to install Gentoo on an HP Pavilion XG823 and would like to know which installer to use.

I always use the minimal, it should work for pretty much anything
just use the latest release

bob__, your lspci .. SCSI storage controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. MV88SX6081 8-port SATA II PCI-X Controller (rev 09) and Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) PCI-X and ICH4 … its a strange mix

But when downloading, you have to select…”alpha amd64″ etc.
And I don’t know which one to click on, haha. Or if it even matters?

lolachan, it matters – they are incompatible CPU types

Might not actually be a PCI-X controller… that chipset might be available in PCI and PCI-X, but the lspci database just lists it as the latter

So which one do I select?

like HELLO! is ne1 gonna give me some help!

lolachan, the right one for your CPU
cruxeternus, good point

I guess. Its a thecus n5200 if you want to look it up.

No one here can help you at the moment. Try again later.

!seen ne1

NeddySeagoon, how do I find out what my CPU is?

NeddySeagoon, I don’t remember seeing ne1.

how would you go about setting your gentoo box up so a mac on the same network can ftp in a grab the songs off of it?

lolachan, tell us what system you have

NeddySeagoon, http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph06302&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=58245&lang=en

Ahh, that’s custom NAS hardware. It’s possible they cooked up a board with both ICH4 and PCI-X.

what provides the confache binary?
*confcache

LinuxKnox, just use samba

I was given this POS and wanna see what I can do with it, haha.

Yes, it is. It is a nice piece of hardware, actually.

lolachan, you want to use x86/i686

lolachan, that page is dead

good luck with gentoo

Not for me, NeddySeagoon.

jesus, talk about a memory leak. wireshark/ethereal has it

you know what package provides confcache?

access_d, yeah right but I got nothing better to do with my time.

samba is better. Then your mac can just mount the directories over the net.

agent0range, confcache is dead

lolachan, You have an ans anyway

Running a week, it got up to 7 GB of memory

bbias…

gobble gobble

im emerging it

so what is its replacement?

you should probably study up on all the hardware you have first, as you will need to know all of this in order to get it all to work.

agent0range, there isn’t one… ccache is used for compile time but confcache was removed from portage due to issues with stability
you dont need confcache imo

what’s happening with the online package database (packages.gentoo.org) ??

down for maintainance

ah
Is there an announcement somewhere with details?

not sure

WetSpot, see /topic

but you could read chan topic

thanks guys…later

i’m surprised people actually try gentoo when they don’t know (or can’t figure out) their CPU type.
scary

not as scary as how tedious it can be to figure out your CPU type :p

hehe

ok i emerged samba
where is it..

maybe read gentoo wiki’s samba setup guide
also… i would recommedn you add the swat use flag to samba
then remerge it… adds the web ui

Hello, i’m in the process of installing gentoo and am slightly confused about hte profile selection
normally i just left it as the default but just read more carefully and noticed there’s a desktop subprofile

can someone hint me where i can see my gfx card’s busID?

Milo-, assuming a PCI video card, lspci.

In the USE variables, I notice the desktop subprofile doesn’t have nptl and nptlonly listed

ah oki

DryRayvin, pretty much the only difference is default USE flags.

Do those carry over from teh default profile or should they be added manually?
Yeah, just wondering if I should add nptl and nptlonly though

0.0 be the busID?

is there some way to call egrep, so that it will select lines that have “DEPOSIT” or “credit” ?

Milo-, yep, though xorg.conf would use the syntax PCI:7:0:0

yeah
lets see if that works then

can I make grep try to match multiple patterns over multiple lines in a file, or might I as well write some perl?

fubarmanchu, egrep ‘DEPOSIT|credit’

Draconx thanks

grep ‘DEPOSIT\|credit’

Draconx that was so helpful

what if I wanted all files containing “CODEC_TYPE_VIDEO” && “_encoder”

ahurst, you could invoke grep twice. I don’t know if it has an option to search for patterns spanning multiple lines.

Draconx, I don’t think you can span lines, that’s the difficulty. I think it’s a 2 min perl script, but given how tired I am, that would turn into 40 mins =\

ahurst, just invoke grep twice.

maybe find -e {if (grep pat1 && grep pat2) print}

anyone use MDADM?

you still here?

I need help, I’m losing terminals

loosing terminals?

I am no longer able to type in them

wahat is taht

Draconx, I don’t see it.. grep -l pat1 | grep pat2 or somthing?

aham

eg, the kbd stops responding in the middle of a command
but I can still switch between them

so is here anyone who can walk me through setting my TV work as second monitor via S-vid cable?
the wikiguide kinda left me cold

well, might have lost my fileserver

thechris, strange problem

linux raid’s kindy weak

ahurst, there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use grep -l and xargs, you could use your shell’s if function, etc.

Milo-: depends on your graphic card

nvidia geforce 7600 gs
it has the support

Milo- have a look at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Multiple_Monitors_with_Nvidia

for 3 cards
thanks

why

because it’s not windows? 8D

MDADM is a POS

it doesn’t work like windows?

thechris, sometimes I accidentally press ctrl+s (XOFF – stop transmitting), which makes the terminal appear to be locked up. ctrl+q (XON) will make it come back.

a haven’t problem with any distro

and windows apps wont work with snap of a two fingers?

I may have just lost my fileserver

not serious one
file server?

I had to rebuild an array, and it didn’t work
but instead, it dropped a second disk
now /usr is corrupt

maybe disk problem thechris

no, a disk was unplugged. I plugged it back in

u said raid
i’m not familiar whit that tech

raid5 allows you to lose any single drive and lose no data

that’s it! I was sure there was a neat function to do this. Cheers

is gentoo.seren.com down for anyone else?

Anyone here good with MDADM?

if some of the hd is broken then all of the raid will fail
I think

thats raid0

no workie here

um. why was a disk unplugged?

raid5 allows 1 disk failure. which happened because a disk had been disconnected and needed to be re-sync’d

and what happened to the 2nd disk?

MDADM messed up IRQ217 and now its out

I cant’t help here

irq 217? that’s a lot of irq’s.

one of my old disks in a second raid1 array had failed, and in removing it, I bumped the cable, unplugging a drive from my main array

gentoo.seren.com?

ok, so, that’s not the software’s fault, you moved the hardware.

if gcc compiled in 1+1/2 hours can anyyone estimate how much time is , say X gonna need?

6 days.

ill give you a example

lol

no, its the software’s fault

and i was thinking of going to bed
now i might as well go on vacation

xorg-server compiles only for 2-3 hours for me

no software in the world can be written to overcome you doing something stupid, like moving hard drives with the system turned on.

gcc takes 30 minuts here and xorg server is 7 but thats not all the Xorg deps, i would say no more than 50 minutes for you

how much for gcc?

much more

zomg 2-3 hours?

well, its assumed that I turned the system off in between

http://rafb.net/p/grmGN974.html ?

Downloading ‘http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo/distfiles/portage-2.1.3.4.patch.bz2‘

i did’t compile it earlier

crazy, i have used this nick for ages

but just in case — “after rebooting, i realized i had to re-sync the previously disconnected drive. while resyncing, mdadm caused an issue with IRQ217 and a second disk was flagged faulty, breaking the array”

not saying one has to do with the other

ahh

ssh command to use for copy from remote to local machine is scp user@host:/path/to/file /path/to/file for example, but see ‘man scp’. Feel free to ask more if something isn’t clear.

reisio, anyway to black list mirrors?

if the kernel just decided the disk was bad, use mdadm to reassemble the array….. i’ve got a disk that fails out of the array it’s in about once a month, i just mdadm –add it back in. tho if the array is stopped now, you’ll have to probably –force something

try mirrorselect

seren, not the point

what for?

you could add the name of the machine to your /etc/hosts with a bogus address

Skunky, point

ssh command to use for copy from remote to local machine is scp user@host:/path/to/file /path/to/file for example, but see ‘man scp’. Feel free to ask more if something isn’t clear.

hmm, if a mirror is having problems, please file a bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org/ , that’s important

how do I do this from the live CD?

lets see what happens this time

is there any ebuild developer awake atm ?

does the version of mdadm on the livecd take the -I option?

yes
though it doesn’t have man
I don’t know how to get md0 back
what is the mknod command?

mdadm will create the /dev entries for you if you give it the right command

whatis mknod

what is the right command?
I have md0 listed as inactive because I only have 2 drives
but it doesn’t have any drived flagged
how do i rebuild?

does md0 show in /proc/mdstat?

yes

what is a great backup program to use in gentoo
for backing up data

inactive though

mdadm –add /dev/md0 /dev/missingpartition

all partitions are listed, and nothing is flagged as down, will the command still work?

wait. so, ALL the partitions for the array show in mdstat?

wouldn’t i need to add a partition without re-syncing it since i “lost” 2 drives, but did no writes to /usr in the time in which I lost it
yes, and none are marked faulty, but mdadm said it could not assemble the array from 2 drives

try mdadm -R /dev/md0

mdadm /dev/md0 –detail returns nothing…

Does anyone here have experience getting ati drivers working on a IBM T43 thinkpad?

um. you usually have to put switches BEFORE components
does mdadm -R /dev/md0 barf or not?

yes, same reason

ok. mdadm -R –force /dev/md0

i need to re-add sdb without modifying it, as it still holds valid daa
actually, all the disks have valid data

you said all the partitions that are supposed to be there were there.
please, make up your mind. which is it? is there a partition missing from mdstat’s list or not?

as i’ve said, both. mdstat shows everything, mdadm says otherwise

heh, I tried what ahurst suggested

i can’t mount md0, but mdstat doesn’t indicate any issues other then the array being inactive

i have my xorg conf ‘working’ but still no signal to TV

mdadm –force -R /dev/md0

Man, is gentoo ever going to put Python 2.5 into stable? sheesh
Pretty soon it will be a year

not until portage doesn’t barf all over itself on 2.5

I’ve not heard of any problems with portage and 2.5

it seems mdadm only knows about the two devices…

is it safe to use portage right now ? they seem to be havin lot´s of issues

SO does anyone else have suggestions how can I get my TV work as second monitor using S-vid cable and nvidia 7600 graphics card?

ok, now I only have 2 devices in mdstat as well

mdadm –scan –auto -R /dev/md0
and/or mdadm –add /dev/md0 /dev/sd??

wouldn’t adding it force it to try to resync?

only if the superblocks have different update times
whcih, if the power was off when the drive disappeared, and it couldn’t find it when you powered up, they should be

Guys, I want to connect my TV to my computer as second monitor, and I’m having hard time figuring out how to do that, the gentoo wiki’s multiple monitors guide kinda left me cold

ok, that seems to work, i’m trying to add sda1 now

using geforce 7600 card
and connecting with S-vid cable

and i have an io error

Milo-: look up the twinview parameters

i swear i’ve had my share of HW/SW issues this year

hydrian where? and I’m not sure if I want to use Twinview
i want to use it as second monitor
for small stuff
that I can manage to do in 640×480 resolution

That what I do with it.

doesn’t twinview copy your main screen’s output?

Milo-: you need to read the README of your graphic card
NO

Santanabaer like i had one ?

it doesnt copy
it extends

Milo-: You biggest issue is going to be dealing with font when using a TV as a screen. Interlace + font = blindness

k
yeah I know
but it’s something, meh

hmm, maybe sda1 broke. seems awefully coincidental
maybe segate drives can’t be unplugged…

hydrian i played around that stuff back in the days when i used windows o_o
it was awful to my eyes to try read some of the stuff

This is where LCD TVs are nice.

Milo-: there are 2 pair of shoes : 1 is twinview and 1 is dual-Xscreen .. Twinview extends 1 X session over 2 screens with xinerama possibility … dualXscreen gives you the possibility to run 2 different X sessions … you cant move windows among the screens

ah
but twinview requires xinerama

Milo-: I ve written a howto several time ago
Milo-: yes
but it usually does automaticly

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors if this is the howto, i must say
it’s not that good :C

Milo-: its not mine

oki

I wrote 1 in German

the german one is pretty good

Twinview doesn’t require xinerama, it does its own xinerama magic. Cleint programs, however, need to support the xinerama extension if they want to understand monitor boundaries and such.

I think you dunno where it is
thats what I said
I said it uses xinerama
http://wiki.fug-kiel.de/index.php/X-Server_-_Twinview @ brot
that is mine
actually Milo- listen

there is this TINY problem with your guide
it’s. how could i say it.. in wrong language?
but i’ll listen

Milo-: infact I wrote ‘@ brot’

ah

Milo-: do you see the little box ?
at the bottom
?

i see many little boxes
which one am i supposed to be looking at?

the one with the option things

twinview true and that stuff?

exactly that one

Santanabaer, trozdem nicht schlecht

is that to card1 or card0?

thx brot
Milo-: what you mean ?
you have 2 cards ?

erm nvm
other guides kept telling me to have two ‘devices’ in the xorg.conf

SCO is dead.

any eta on x86 stabalization of kde?
(3.5.7)

Milo-: thats wrong
2 devices is needed for Dual X screen

oki
ah
misleading guides

dual X screen stuff is more complicate than twinview

anyways, added those few lines to device

Milo-: you can customize the metamodes
do you understand the syntax ?

thanks for your help. something may now be wrong with one of my drives anyways.

Santanabaer not quite

Milo-: wait let me explain

bah

i think it’s different possible resolution modes?

what use flag do i need to use with hydrogen to get mp3 encoding support/

which the monitor will try

Milo-: yeah it is about resolutions of course

or in this case, TV
so if i set them to 640×480 it will try to use that?

you can see a list of available flags with ‘emerge -vp hydrogen’

thank you

possibly ‘mad’, which is an integer math mp3 codec

Milo-: “1.resolutionmonitor1,1.resolutionmonitor2;2.resolutionmonitor1,2.resolutionmonitor2″

ah

is packages.gentoo.org messed up?

read topic

what topic please?

all there
/topic

\topic
except back
yes

/topic

brot got it right

ok… I see it now… thanks
any eta on it?

hey I was 1st

i guess i’ll have to shut down my fileserver until I can get a new drive to back up the data.

yes, but brot was last

Milo-: NULL == turned off

Boohbah, Triffid_Hunter; the only use flags I see are alsa, debug, jack, ladspa, oss, and portaudio

k

any of those do what i want?

it’s on purpose w,x;y,z?

Milo-: you can switch between the metamodes with CRTL+ALT+(+)or(-)
Milo-: I guess so

well, lets see what happens

when im watching a vid on youtube every 30 seconds it like stops, glitches, then just like a mass output of audio comes out and the video continues

so, no more info than what is in topic?

for now seems not

kk.. I noticed this a few days ago… would be nice to know if there is an eta

as an alternative you could use www.gentoo-portage.com

anyone have failure of the gnome-vfs build?

is this normal?

i’m having troubles getting bind to function properly
the initscript doesn’t seem to work right

works for me
no

Triffid_Hunter, how do i fix it?

Santanabaer well it did something
but when X started

Triffid_Hunter, im not really getting any output or anything in the console i am running firefox from

TV went black

Triffid_Hunter, not compiling anything, or no net lag

according to the gentoo wiki, there are problems with named.pid with versions 9.2.5

it showed the text before starting X

but i’m having the same or a similar problem with 9.4

ah nvm

thanks… will check it out

my background is actually that black

do the thing that stops it happening.. try a kernel with the tickless scheduler and dynamic tick patch

Triffid_Hunter, remove rtc?

Santanabaer is there a reason why it’s black and white?

only if you want to set your computer’s time every time you start it

anyone have a copy of Marc Rintsch’s bitrate.py as mentioned in http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_DVD_to_Matroska

hmmm Milo- Im trying to think of it

when I use a shell window in emacs, $TERM is set to dumb… the problem with this is, when I issue `clear`, the screen isn’t actually cleared and the prompt just returns without doing anything… so I tried changing $TERM (to xterm and vt100), but now when I type `clear` it shows something like: ^[[H^[[2Jgg@tux
~ $ (with "^[[H^[[2J" representing the clear sequence or whatever)... how do I get the screen to actually clear when I type `clear`?

Triffid_Hunter, then where is the tick scheduler and dynamic tick patch located? lol

i continually get 'permission denied' error if /var/run/named.pid doesn't exist

can someone tell me just how to do something, since i'm in a hurry, instead of where to read on it? I've already read on it, and I still need help. I just want to use rsync to update my mp3 player with all the new files that have appeared in /music.

hi, i have many apps i need but when trying to upgrade to 3.5.7 of KDE which was unmasked today it causes problems, i emerge -C some of them but more show up and i need most of them, any ideas? http://paste2.org/p/5700

when i touch it and give ownership to named:named, it always says 'couldn't open file "/var/run/named.pid": file exists'

kernel

Triffid_Hunter, or are you pulling my leg?

and it's totally ignoring /etc/conf.d/named.conf which says to use /var/run/named/named.pid rather than /var/run/named.pid
err... /etc/conf.d/named*

like rsync /music/ /player/ ?

Triffid_Hunter, is it that easy?
and that would update the player, right? using music? not vice versa?

yes. add -av --dry-run if you want to check what it'll do

and i don't want it to delete anything. only add

man rsync is your friend-

it does that automatically, right?
doesn't delete unless i say deletE?

rgk, have you read the documentation @http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-config.xml, look at part 4 and down

Santanabaer if you think of a reason why the TV is black and white, hilight me and let me know

what version of bind are you running?

Milo-: sorry

i will read now

my irc client died

net-dns/bind-9.3.2-r4

this sounds familar to me. I filed a bug a few years ago about pid file handling. I wouldn't mind seeing your conf.d/named file.

Milo-: I have no idea for the moment ... hope you checked if you pressed the scart button for tv

in fact, not only that, I'd liked to see your /etc/bind/named.conf as well.
uin fact, not only that, I'd liked to see your /etc/bind/named.conf as well./u

Santanabaer yeah

to enter in that [ -] mode
hmm
Milo-: sorry

my gateway system died earlier and i’ve been running around trying to get the lan sorted out all day
one sec

if i remember correctly, I had the same problem wiith this when i used windows

hesperaux, it shouldn’t delete anything (it might overwrite files that have the same name), but don’t quote me on that… you can always make a backup copy of your files just in case something goes wrong.

and that problem was fixed by using video input/output cable
but meh
Santanabaer fixed, that scart socket where i put that scart cable in
wont show it in colors
-_-

hesperaux, you may want to try `rsync -hav /mp3/dir/ /mounted/player/dir/`

is it possible to make portage having priority against an overlay? if the same version of a package exists on portage, i dont want it to get from that overlay, for example

thank you Santanabaer

hehe

gg_, what does -h do?

human-readable
it just helps me remember the option

Milo-: Im happy it worked

What would cause video to lock during kernel startup on a laptop?

gg_, it’s okay if it overwrites some…i just don’t want it to copy EVERYTHING again to the device. The device is expendable. i just want to save some time by only updating.

framebuffer

change the order in the PORTDIR_OVERLAY
var that is

Boohbah, i’ve tried vesa-tng, vga, vesa and intel810. they all die at the same spot.

have you passed the correct resolution as an argument to your bootloader?

hesperaux, the `-a` flag sets a whole bunch of other flags, which, if I’m not mistaken, include both compression before transfer, and only transferring the differnce of the files

Boohbah, it’s the only valid resolution for the screen. 1400×1050@60

kerframil http://pastebin.com/m32196df7

gg_, O_o oh dear. That’s not necessary
lol

it’s useful when you’re transferring files over an ssh connection (which is how I primarily use rsync)

Does anyone know how to solve the issue of Unreal Tournament playing fast due to processor speedstepping?

and the /etc/init.d/named script please (also, what version are we dealing with?)

likewhoa, but i want the official portage repository to have priority.. and it is not listed on PORTDIR_OVERLAY

gg_, i bet.

Triffid_Hunter, i don’t understand. i even use standard resolutions and it still dies at the same spot.

gg_, so -h does what specifically?

700×525 would be valid

`h` is human-readable

9.4.1_p1, there are some other errors as well if i start named manually… /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied and couldn’t add command channel 127.0.0.1#953: permission denied

maybe an acpi or apic problem? laptops are notorious for them

i thought i solved them some time ago with a bios upgrade.

what’s a good program for wav-mp3 conversion?

prints files sizes and such in the appropriate format (e.g. instead of saying 1,xxx,xxx, it would say “1MB” or whatever)

At least it’s no longer a MSFT compiled DSDT table.

lame

gg_, oh sorry

lol good answer sorry

is the md5sum of your init.d script as follows? 08f352d515e2f6c41bfc9f19bbd91b4a

kernelsensei
err
http://pastebin.com/m7c6a4b27
yep

how could I enable confcache?

hmm, ok. mulling it over.

or where is the overlay of confcache?

I think the project died, I’ve been trying to use it for months, without finding the confcache program
used to be in the portage tree, but disappered

hesperaux, if you want to make sure that it doesn’t re-copy everything, create two files, test1.txt and test2.txt with some text in them… put both files in both /somedir1/ and /somedir2/, then change the contents of test1.txt in /somedir1/, then issue `rsync -hav /somedir1/ /somedir2/` (make sure you include the trailing slash)… see what the output looks like. It should only copy test1.txt to /somedir2/ because that’s the only file that
has changed.

what does the useflag mp3rtp stand for?

gg_, oh okay

so bad, nobody pick it up. I still think this is really a kick-of-ass feature.

in the init.d script, insert a command such as this at line 24: echo “PID:${PIDFILE}, CHROOT:${CHROOT}”
then see what it says when started
just to clarify, it needs to happen prior to the check (the one that mentions bug #107724)

https://bugs.gentoo.org/107724 nor, P2, All, kerframil@gmail.com-voxus@gentoo.org, RESOLVED, FIXED, Bad pid-file parsing prevents bind init script from starting

oh, do be quiet

What is a command-line program that can play an audio-CD?

hrm…
PID:/var/run/named/named.pid, CHROOT: [ !! ]
seems it is reading the conf.d/ after all
but still complaining about the wrong pid file

run /etc/init.d/named zap and try again.

how do i find out which video driver X is using atm?

also, put another debug statement after the expression that (potentially) parses named.conf
let’s see what happens.
dcd, perhaps?

wierd issues with firefox – the browser frezes until it can load a page, also scrolling down causing the CPU to jump up to 15%

how does that compare to cdcd?

anyone see this?

I do not know, actually.

This a good place to ask about UT troubleshooting on Linux? With regards to processor speedstepping

revelate1, `grep -i loading.*drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log` works for me (I’m sure there’s a better way)

bbl

So can anyone tell me if this is right.. LVM is not actually a file system, it just makes partitioning easier on pcs and allows for easy fluxuation with a harddrive. Unlike just installing the ext3 filesystem, you dont have that flexibility …

framebuffer modules used during kernel bootup, are they required to be built into the kernel or as modules?

sounds about right
depends how early you want it to switch I suppose

Kijutsu, if i wanted to use them on the kernel line in grub, for instance.

Triffid_Hunter, Okay, thanks a lot man

some of the benefits you cite there are on the right track, but the explanation is a little iffy. try reading Daniel Robbin’s articles about LVM at IBM’s site (they’re still applicable today).

Triffid_Hunter, if i wanted to use them on the kernel line in grub, for instance.

kerframil, I was reading the intro on the main LVM site, but I will check that one out too

it’s quite good.

haaah

the thing to remember is that a LV is your exact equivalent to a partition. a LV is a member of a VG. a VG must be composed of at least one PV (a PV could be a raw physical partition on a hard disk for example).

Everytime I resume from memory suspend, my system shifts to UTC (currently EDT so it goes back 4 hours). It’s a bit annoying and I’m not sure how to troubleshoot. Any suggestions of where to start?

the VG is composed of underlying block devices and acts as a storage pool. within that you create your LVs (and make filesystems on them). there’s a lot of flexibility and scalability at each tier.

kerframil, So does that decrease performance at all, and is it very popular ? Also I started reading the IBM article, and does that allow you to say add a hard drive to your pc while running ?

hmm, guess i did lose my array

it doesn’t magically make your hardware hot-swap capable. that’s down to hardware capability.

kerframil, Okay, how about performance wise… Any decreases in speed or anything ?

writable snapshots
that’s just so cool.

Anyone want to buy SCO stock? (Novel won)

example benefits are being able to create LVs then expand/reduce them easily, being able to add more partitions or disks to a VG and increasing the overally pool of space, being able to migrate LVs between PVs and …
Kevin`: I was just about to say
point-in-time snapshots for reliable backups _whilst_ remaining writable.
something like Windows’ shadow copy or volume snapshot service.

ok

thechris it’s redundancy an the sense that any redundant raid level is
“not a replacement for backups”

kerframil, Alright, thanks a lot

how do you use ssh and scp to move files from one to the other?

ironfoot495 move or copy?

Kevin`: while attempting to rebuild my array, mdadm had an error and took down a second drive… I managed to get the system to boot, but i have partial files…

Kevin`: copy

ironfoot495 scp file user@host:[destination]

which i don’t understand given that I wasn’t writing to /usr anyways…

you can reverse that.

if you lose two drives, you are in big trouble indeed. raid5 cannot protect against that.

kev

thechris the problem was you probably had a bad sector on both drives, which was only found when rebuilding

true, but i only lost 2 drives because of mdadm

yeah

thechris you CAN force the array to start with “bad” drives, btw

Kevin`: so first ssh to the site then scp to copy?

I don’t buy that. Kevin`’s assertion sounds much more plausible.

anyone using init-ng?

ironfoot495 no.

now raid0 is not redundancy

ironfoot495 scp user@host:file .

Kevin`: ok scp user@host:/file

ironfoot495 the . is important, you need a destination

Kevin`: then ?

ironfoot495, . is to current dir

thechris don’t mess with the array too much, recovery is probably possible in your situation, at least on the sectors that aren’t bad.

is there a tool to check HDD’s for bad sectors

did you fix you issues ?

thechris do you have smartd running, like you should?

badblocks

kerframil, You setup LVM2 before you do your actual partition(ext, reiser,…), right ?

once i install pidgin, how can i run it? i can’t find an executable *anywhere*-

kerframil, I was reading the documenatiton and it said u had to load a kernel module

only if you intend to use *entire* disks as component PVs for a VG.

Ratty lvm is block layer, you format the lvm logical volume, which can use different physical volumes for storage

Kevin`: heh last time I had smartd running, it emailed me every time the temperature changed :/

`no not yet . my partner got me trying to fix his gentoo which I’m trying to learn how to scp totake his gentoo a copy of my xorg.conf file

otherwise, no. you need at least one partition to “nominate” as a PV, and form the basis of a VG.
as for kernel requirements, the only thing that’s needed is device mapper support (on the CD it’s a module, dm-mod).
and the lvm2 user-land tools

hey man I really appreciate you .

ironfoot495,

is it possible to autodetect lvm and boot from it without an initrd?

gentoo Ratty lvm2

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml

nice overview

is there any way to look where an ebuild installs its files to?

qlist from portage-utils

not possible before it runs though

/dev entries driver’ during bootup?

/boot / /home /swap … I could setup / (which contains /var, /etc, /tmp, etc…) and /home to be LVs so I can have them fluctuate between each other whenever I needed them too …

kerframil, Yep, been readin that

look at the example in that guide. pvcreate is used on a partition to mark it as a physical volume. next, a volume group is created (with just that partition as part of the pool, but there could be more).

does pidgin not come with a gui by default? wtf?

Ratty swap shouldn’t be set up as a filesystem

Kevin`: I’m going to try scp root@localhost:/etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf: what I’m trying to do is copy my xorg.conf file and copy it to the other gentoo box is this correct?

for me i had to emerge it again with gtk added to my use flags

I don’t recommend having / on LVM. everything else is fair game though.

ironfoot495 scp SOURCE DESTINATION

dumb question but i can’t get on packages.gentoo.org… what do i have to emerge for the ext2/ext3 filesystem tools?

gah! i don’t want to emerge 50 packages worth of gnome crap =(

i didn’t either, but then i did it anyways

ironfoot495 uhm. why are you doing it from localhost?

*sigh* i’m going to as well lol =P

having / on LVM leads to complex requirements for the boot process to work. and, with a multi-filesystem layout, / doesn’t change a lot anyway.

ironfoot495 don’t you want to copy it to another computer?

I tried to mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 but I get mount relocation error undefined symbol blkid_known_fstype any ideas? nothin in dmesg

want to know how much space my root filesystem uses? 171M.

Kevin`: yes

and it hardly changes at all.

ironfoot495 so you want to copy it from the local computer to another computer, yes?

Kevin`: that’s what I’m trying to do.
Kevin`: yes

that said, it’s still possible (genkernel knows how to build an initrd image that you can use with a kernel to support root on lvm).
I prefer to keep things simple

Wow thats pretty low, mine is 744 MB

ironfoot495 scp /etc/X11/xorg.conf root@othercomputer:/etc/X11/xorg.conf

desktop system?

No thats my server

Kevin`: oh ok got it!

anyone know the command to select the active java JDK?

guess you must be running more stuff

java-config

thanks

What do you consider root file system?

everything except /usr and /home
and /boot

and /var
and /tmp

exceptions are home, var, usr and boot in my case.

What do i have to emerge for the ext2/ext3 filesystem tools?

also, I have /tmp on tmpfs.

The handbook only lists what tools to emerge for 3 file systems
and not hte rest

DryRayvin e2fsprogs

ok, thanks

Darn it’s insanely small, I wonder where my extra usage comes form

DryRayvin I think this is a core component..

oh, and I hate /opt wasting space on the root filesystem. I’ve symlinked it to usr/opt.

oh, ok

opt is a seperate partition for me too

I don’t even see the point in making a separate filesystem for it. about the only thing I’ll ever have in it is hosting with java support anyway (truth be told I don’t use it).

sudo du -s -h bin etc lib root sbin

I’m loathe to give it special treatment. I just see it as a sub-category of usr.

This is my root file system

df -h is a much quicker way to find out.

I needed to see where I was using disk in each directory

kerframil, Alright

was easier to cut and paste the line I had already used

ah, right

Hmm, I’m using something like 100 MB in those dirs

Hi guys. I’m trying to install Gentoo onto a new notebook I put together. When I try to use ‘links’ I cannot access the host. I know that the notebook is physically fine and connected. I am not using wireless but the cabled network port. The problem may be that it has bluetooth as well as wlan.

silly me I have a /diskless on root.

Are there any commands to list all network devices and whatnot?

ifconfig -a

Agnomen ifconfig -a

kerframil, Wait though, wouldnt / change quite a bit though, as u ad more packages though…
or programs i should say

no. packages hardly touch / (few files in /etc).

Ratty most package files will be in /usr

well, /lib also.

portage has a lot of crap in /var

but yes, the bulk is in /usr.

okay my eth0 looks like the one I want, it has received the right IP address through DHCP. I tried editing resolv.conf. I am currently booted from the Gentoo minimal install CD.

Kevin`, Well yes, but / incorporates everything

Ratty but all the files don’t need to be in /, as you well know

umm, no – not necessarily.

Ratty if the filesystem is layed out right / won’t change in size much
if you want it

if you mount a different filesystem somewhere then anything within it is in … a different filesystem.

kerframil, Oh my gosh.. lol… I already have a fully working gentoo install, and have had one for about 1 year now… I was hoping to redo the partitioning scheme of it and put /home on its wn partition…

Okay, I setup my dhcp server to give the same dedicated ip hosting address to my notebook’s MAC address all the time. I stopped and started and it got the new static IP.

Ratty and, what’s stopping you?

Hrm, I can’t seem to find the 700 MB df -h reports with du

Kevin`, I have a jboss server hosting setup on it also

Kevin`: I used this but it did not open so I opened the connection with ssh 192.168.*.* and it opened then I used : scp/etc/X11/xorg.conf root@livecd:/etc/X11/xorg.conf

Ratty so you can’t take /home offline long enough to move it? ;p

When I use links all I get is “Looking Up Host” and after about a minute, “Host Not Found”

hmm

Kevin`, I was hoping to redo everything, that is why Im contemplating my partition scheme actually…

ironfoot495 you don’t seem to understand how scp works if your opening an ssh connection first

Kevin`: yes

du says 300 MB used

I’ve tried editing /etc/resolv.conf manually to add a namserver ip address, but it does the same thing

what does resolv.conf currently contain?

that’s one thing I don’t like about gentoo, it’s easy to get messy

It contains one line, which I put in, “nameserver 4.2.2.4″

Kevin`: well I used the command but just saidssh: livecd: Name or service not known
lost connection

Agnomen route -n
ironfoot495 use the ip address instead then

Before that it contained two lines, “search 192.168.1″ and “nameserver 192.168.1.1″

Kevin`: ok

this REALLY isn’t very hard, once you understand how it works

after running route -n, look for a line beginning with 0.0.0.0

sudo du -x -s -h / report 701M vs df -h 744M

Alright, after typing “route -n” I get a routing table. There are two entries for eth0. One has a Destination (local network x.x.x.0) with no gateway (0.0.0.0) and the other has no Destination (0.0.0.0) with a Gateway (x.x.x.1) (which is my router)
yes it’s the third line. The second is my loopback

the “Gateway” column of that line should contain the IP address of your router. presumably, that is the case?

kerframil, yes it is

Howdy. Just bought a new hard drive while back. Now I’ve noticed it goes into these weird “seek-seek-seek”-frenzies every now and then even when the system is apparently idle. Any way to disable this behaviour, it’s rather distracting event?

Kevin`, Wait though, when you boot into gentoo everything is under /, correct… But your trying to tell me to re-partition my drive so /var, /usr, /etc, /…

hrm. you can reach a host by its IP? try ping 66.102.9.147

Kevin`: yeah it worked thanx I see how it works now

ping’d no problem
well, if 179ms is no problem

it’s probably your nameservers. try the opendns ones: 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.222.220
also, they need to go in /etc/resolv.conf to work from the CD environemnt. but … if this is not also copied to /mnt/gentoo/etc before chrooting, you won’t have name resolution after entering your chroot.
not sure if you got that far yet though.

Yes for some reason the normal nameserver I was using isn’t working. Thanks!
No I am installling from a minimal CD and I haven’t yet

ok

This size confusion is giving me a headache and I’m in the middle of a server upgrade, going to save it for later.

no hidden files in the root directory? (just a thought)

Still I’m short 400 MB. :p

also, file slack could play a role in this.

I think du count slack
I have to use –apparent-size
then I get 6xx MB

I’m having an issue with my new Gentoo system
I emerged Xfce4
which also emerged xorg

when you get to setting up /etc/conf.d/net (later) you might remember to set “nodns” on the interface so that the nameservers in resolv.conf are not clobbered.

but when I try to do a “startxfce4″

The . dirs in root is counted in K’s

It can’t find the modules for my graphics

might work out better, given that the nameserver suggested by the router obviously didn’t work too well.

or mouse
or keyboard
I may havebuilt them into the kernel
intead of making them modules
if indeed they are part of the kernel
help?

was 11 lines really necessay?

no

:p

just wanted to explain the issue

how did you configure xorg?

I didn’t
just tried startxfce4

gentoo Capn_Fish xorg

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

xorgconfig
and xorgcfg didn’t work
k

xorgcfg didn’t work?

ope
no screens found

stick with it. xorgcfg usually gets you 90% of the way there.
can you pastebin the file that it generated please?
emerge wgetpaste if you need a convenient way to do it.

where would that file be?

X –configure seems to get me there most of the time

/root/xorg.conf.new usually, as per Code Listing 3.6 of the documentation.

I actually already added that to /etc/conf.d/net do you know if it copies over automatically when I install?

within or relative to /mnt/gentoo?

there’s nothing in /root

you should not modify things outside of the chroot at all (apart from resolv.conf to get you up and running).

is packages.g.o going to come online again?

all that’s in /etc/X11 is xorf.conf.example

Actually if I recall correctly (I am pretty new) I change where my root directory is, presumably from the CD to the HDD.

X -configure

in other words, I have no idea what you’re saying =p

It says “missing output drivers. Configuration failed”

don’t change any configuration information until you have chrooted, basically.
resolv.conf is the one exception to this rule.

Do I need to emerge the video driver too?

hmm
what card do you have?

integrated intel 855ge
I believe

okay I already changed /etc/conf.d/net
Hmmm I wonder if all the Gentoo mirrors are hosted on Linux

I’ll try reemerging xorg-x11

portageq envvar VIDEO_CARDS
what does that say?
oops, sorry
obviously that question was for you ^

on the up side my SD reader works
lots of stuff

is i810 mentioned?

ya

lspci perhaps to verify what card he has?

ok, so the automated approach is failing and I’m not sure why yet. did you try the semi-automatic way as per the doc?

I know I have integrated intel graphics

I just got a new machine and, since my old Celeron runs Gentoo on a single partition, I’d like help from you guys deciding what should get it’s own partition on my new Athlon64 X2.

I just ran xorgcfg
then tried xorgcfg
then tried xorgconfig
and canceled it

Go LVM then you can always changes things when you get it wrong

do you actually have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? if so, I’d like it to be pasted please.

no

hi

I have no experience with LVM. Got a tutorial which would increase my confidence enough to try it?

only the xorg.conf.example

I’m looking for help in getting a USB flash drive and/or hard drive working, I think I’m close but messing up, so any help would be appreciated

gentoo howto lvm

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml

…and how flexible is it? Can I shrink and grow ext3 partitions at will?

Yes

if you finished xorgcfg, you should have a xorg.conf.new file

ironfoot495
did u fix ur scp problem?

But thats more due to ext3 supporting shrinking/growing

I’ll try

again, see the doc.

lvm can resize things, but without file system support it doesn’t help much.

last i checked u “scp user@ip:/remotedir user@ip:/local_destination

Sounds good then. Still, what do you recommend for partitioning? I was thinking one for /boot (security reasons), one for /, one for /usr/portage, and maybe a separate one for /home. (and of course, the second 500GB drive mounted on /srv for my music, manga, and other Samba shares)

the other thing that spring to my mind is whether you enabled AGP and DRM (that’s Direct Render Management) in the kernel. zgrep CONFIG_AGP /proc/config.gz

I’m also considering putting /tmp and /var/tmp in RAM, but that can be decided later. (I have 4GiB of RAM, so it’s not THAT risky)

/var/tmp is not supposed to be volatile.

I get config_agp_intel=y

ok, good

/boot /home /tmp /var/tmp /var /usr/portage /usr/portage/distfiles

I don’t know the sync rates for my screen

well, see if you can get at least a formative config file generated.

/var/tmp has to be disk on Gentoo it’s too big

things like sync rates can be handled thereafter.

k
just use any option?

Actually, that depends. first, as I said, I have 4GiB of RAM. Second, the contents of /var/tmp are configurable.

also, it’s explicitly supposed to be for data that is preserved between reboots.

bah… packages being down is making me cranky

emerge compiles in /var/tmp fx. office would be 6 GB+

the FHS defines it as such too.

I use OpenOffice.org’s -bin package… ever since a compile took over 24 hours.

Should take 6 hours on your new cpu

Probably, but I’m fine with the -bin for now.

er … no. a random approach is not going to help.

anyway there is a lot of reasons to make /var/tmp disk

OK, I have a file

pastebin it

Can Portage be directed to use somewhere other than /var/tmp without hacking the code? I don’t think compilation temp counts as “requiring non-volatile storage”.

well, thats odd.

yes. PORTAGE_TMPDIR.

i’m hoping to get help mounting a USB flash drive – it’s being recognized and I’m trying to, as the documentation says, use “mount /”dev/sda1 /mnt/usb” but it says that “mount point /mnt/usb does not exist” what am I diong wrong?

i was going to hook my desktop up to my laptop and use distcc to save compile times…

How can I pastebin it?

teach Capn_Fish wgetpaste

No such faq

teach Capn_Fish paste

Use http://rafb.net/paste or emerge wgetpaste. Pasting in #gentoo itself clutters the chat and will get you kicked by Naamah. Use the aforementioned site and hand us the URL so we can check it out.

50 seconds, laptop with desktop using distcc: 2:59…
actually slows it down somehow…

Rather than put /usr/portage/distfiles on it’s own partition, I think I’ll move distfiles to /usr/local/distfiles or somewhere else on one of the bigger partitions.
Good to know. Thanks.

I take it you know about DISTDIR also.

By the way, where should I look for a list of configurables like that?
I already knew DISTDIR from my poking around on this system.

the portage manpages, make.conf.example and the output of emerge –info –verbose.

Noted.

The point of making portage seperate is lost if you put it on usr
You want /usr to be semi read only

totally agree.

http://rafb.net/p/AyWe5g35.html

The exception is /usr/portage and /usr/src if your heavily into source /usr/src should eb put on a disk too

that actually looks like it’s on the right track

I’ll consider all that. The important thing is to not have to use a veritable swarm of partitions for now. I can fix it later, but I’m short on time at the moment.
(Exams coming up)

copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf if needs be, then try running startx.

how can I emerge system w/o one package, which is blocking?

Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to kill X, if it does load.

I know

the solution is to resolve the block really. what is blocking?

I’m not new to linux btw
same error

baselayout =/ sabayon is a strange distro.

can’t find modules, no screens found

baselayout is blocking makedev

you may be new, you may be old. but you are still asking for help with xorg configuration and that’s the purpose of this conversation as I understand it ;p

true
I don’t get it
the same process worked fine in Debian many times

it’s probably a monitor issue but, just to confirm, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log also

wait, it says “no drivers available”

what version of baselayout is it wanting to install (emerge -p baselayout).
paste please

k
http://rafb.net/p/3hzFkp93.html

What is most important is to protect /var from running out of space, it can corrupt your portage cache

yes, I see what you mean

It should be working?

yeah. if you run emerge -pv xorg-server, what is the status of the i810 flag?

What do you mean?
I’m not sure what the “flag” is

you will, if oyu run the command.
you*

I was thinking of starting with /var and /home NOT on their own partitions. That way, / would be nearly 500GiB and would contain both.

I did

That’s why I asked about shrinking an ext3 partition.

I see

there should be a reference to i810 among the many flags listed.

yes

and it says?

you want the use flags?

no. I want to know how the i180 flag is presented
as I do not have the benefit of your vantage point.

It is in green
it has a green N by it

ok, cool.
hang on

k

you know what, just pipe it through wgetpaste

k

baselayout-2.0.0_rc

bleeding edge, eh?

lol tell me about it
what do ya think I should do?

http://rafb.net/p/oYN2Tb83.html

this might sound like an odd question but, this is a fedora linux system right?
i.e. not Gentoo/FreeBSD?
ok, we really can rule that out. the driver has definitely been built.

sabayon linux. devs suggest just downloading isos or split isos and update them

Could me having bungled configuring the kernel somehow be causing this?

but I’ve heard emerging can make a system up to date. I’ve found an unofficial guide that should handle it but it’s kind of ugly using –skipfirst and –resume. how do you feel about this distro?

oops, we don’t support sabayon in here

there are some elements that are important in the kernel (AGP for one, DRM for 3D). but there is no evidence yet that you’ve bungled anything.

ok

how do I emerge system w/o one ebuild

I did when I tried to install Gentoo on my desktop. Left out the ethernet driver. It didn’t work out
lol

lol @ capn_fish

try uncommenting the lines that load the “dri” and “glx” modules in xorg.conf (they’re near the top).

k
no good, same error

What’s up with p.g.o?

anyone using sshdfilter? or any other type of sshd brute force blocker?

jale2ice, there’s fail2ban, though I’ve never used it.

I use key auth

I don’t care so much anymore no that I’ve got eix up and running, but does anyone have any news?

i tried using a PAM-level blocker for that, but it turned out to be more trouble than it was worth

jale2ice, running sshd on a different port or not using password authentication does wonders, too.

Draconx, o.O i like passwords

do those too

I’m going to have to admit defeat for now. I’m about to fall asleep on my keyboard :/

k
I can live with CLI for now
any other place I should look?

Draconx, what other ports can I forward SSH to?

jale2ice, you can run sshd on any port you wish.

k k, thx

thanks for your time
I’ll probably get it sorted out eventually

anyone use ultramixer?

no but it sounds interesting, what is it?

wiki intel 855

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Intel_855_andor_915_fix

hmm, that’s not what I had in mind.
something is nagging at the back of my mind but I just can’t think of it. it’s annoying.

my sound driver isnt showing up in the config..

does “zlib” refer to zip somehow? im trying to compile tiff support with zip compression, but there’s no use flag that says “zip” specifically

k

im using alsa

should be straightforward. anyway, need to sleep.

did anyone have any issues with libexpat’s library changing names… thus requiring the rebuild of all other packages depending on libexapt?

how do I get the “locate” command? Findutils doesn’t work

emrge slocate

thanks

yeah, use zlib (for instance, it was originally made to provide compression abilities to libpng)

ok, thanks

it uses DEFLATE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFLATE)

1000’s of 58MB tiff files adds up quck

why do I get this error while compiling kde * To support Video4Linux webcams in this package is required to have
* =x11-libs/qt-3* compiled with OpenGL support.
* Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=”opengl”.

sn00p-: I’m not sure what to tell you, the error message is completely clear

any ideas why nvidia-settings won’t accept any overclock settings?

I I edited the make.conf and put that in there it still gives me the error

sn00p-: Did you emerge qt-3?

and nvclock . . . just doesn’t detect the right clock speeds

sn00p-: or do a emerge –newuse world?

No but I will

is there a way to “nice” a command after it has started?

top and other tools has support for changing the nice level of running processes

got it in top, thanks Miravlix

Miravlix, the qt3 seems to be masked

ShockValue, renice

My computer keeps hanging right after agpgart initialization.. so i removed agpgart and now it hangs right after real time clock initialization.
What do I do?

According to the Gentoo/AMD64 FAQ, PREEMPT isn’t well-tested for gentoo-sources on amd64. What do you guys think?

when did it last boot succesfully, then figure out what you did to it since then
then just un-do it..

Thats the thing. when it started doing this, I did nothing.

uh huh

….
….helpful.. thanks a crapload…/sarcasm.

no extra charge
you have no idea though how many times the helpdesk person hears “I didn’t do anything….. oh..”

Hey. I have a book that I want to take pictures of all the pages and convert them to a pdf (no OCR or anything). What’d be a good program to assemble the pdf / clean things up a little bit? I have a nice camera.

the problem with you ‘helpdesk’ people. you think everyone you talk to is an idiot. get rid of that assumption.

something changed, or else it would still boot no?

It hasn’t booted at all.
It’s a new installatinl
*installation.
It boots from the CD fine
but it will not boot from the hard disk kernel.

what happened to the overlay “xeffects” in layman ?

whining will not get you support

you forgot to install a bootloader?

Boohbah, and ceaseless arcasm on someone’s part when they are frustrated sure as hell doesn’t help.

only 3d party com that I’m using

you’d need to create a plugin for it Jeeva
*Jen

Jen, thank you for the info
Jen, I will try to get it work here
Jen, will you be here within the next 10 minutes?
Jen, where did you download it?
I can only find a version with advertisments

Damn, this sef problem is ripping me off.

Kaarna, also got a SEF problem?

Semilios, Yes. It brokes content links very strange way.

Kaarna, what SEF software do you use?

Joomsef, but this problem appears also with Joomlas own sef.

Kaarna, do you use the joomsef version with advertisments?

No, this is 1.5.1 gnu gpl

Kaarna, where did you get it from?
I tried this:
http://www.kangainternet.com/remository/joomsef/joomsef-1.5.1-patched.html
but they explain in the text that I need to patch it myself

From Artio site.

the sef.php file

Oh, ok so this is version with ads.
“a text/a”
Source from jce shows them right.
My source code doesnt include any copyright-text.
Or ads.

hum

How that can be so menu links are working but content links not. Brainmeltdown is coming soon.
If you want to get rid off those copyright texts…
“Similarily to Joomla! software, these may be removed if you wish to do so. However, by keeping them, you help us develop the software further and increase the number of users.”

you have to buy it

is this the right site for joomla support
I am looking at purchasing MamboCHARGE and JoomlaDate. It seem slike the only option i have, thou the reviews are not that good?

only option as in only those components have the features you need, BackTrack2

yeah Kage_musha I cant find any other componets?? if there are alternatives would be great to compare for a match making site

so, any1 really doesnt know what’s wrong wit Kaarnas sef ?
i’ve been tryin to help him… we looked through rewrite stuff, joomsefs configurations and all, but cant find what causes that problem

Anybody with a mac that wants to help me out and test my site in Safari?

hey would a few people that are on irc often like to join #cmstalk
i want to create a room that allows cms discussion so people find the one that best fits there needs

Where can I found, in a joomla web host installation, the data used to connect to the database?

configuration.php ?

global config

thx Pasamio|Sleep

configuration.php is your best web hosting bet because i believe the password is obscured in the web interface

Also, in my case I’m not able to access the web interface as I’ve already taken offline everything
Anyway, found what I was looking for in configuration.php, thx again

i have mac, i can test

hey
whats going on here?

i have an image with html i need to add into a content page
but i dont know h ow

what do you mean by “image with html”
you mean you have the code?

yes
i have a paypal button

hi! i’m trying to configure the oms (open music source) on joomla and i can’t!

that i need to insert

help, please!

Anybody with a mac that wants to help me out and test my site in Safari?

nixl0v3r, dump it on the editor’s html hosting viewer

i do that
but it doest hold all the html
just one line stays
the rest doesnt

disable the editor temporarily

if i re enable it will the button still be there

yes sir
as long as you don’t mess with the content again

do u know about any component/module that allows me to make a music library connection? with latest concerts, last songs…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJCyAHJ27Uw

xota, search the JED

do u know about oms?

no sir

i have mac, i can test

danZenie, jed is the joomla extensions directory? I ask u about one extension use by u

JED is the extensions directory correct. my answer to your question was “no sir”
assuming you are a male
sorry if I’m wrong

i thinked that jed was a music extension for joomla I’m male, no problem

hi
what is the best dynamisch javascript / dhtml menu for joomla I can use?

best is relative
i like extended menu
it can become a bit complex if you’re not into reading

I installed the component MusicBox from joomla Italy, how can i allow it to change my front page?

thank you danZenie

np
xota, you mean you want that to be the dsiplaed no your front page?

http://www.joomlaitalia.com/musicbox/
I don’t see any option to change my front page, to the musicbox front page

ok
make it the first item on your main manu
menu*
add a link to the component on the main menu
and make it the first item

I can’t see the musicbox component

did you instlall it?

(it’s installed, because I can see the musicbox configuration)

ok
go to the main menu
and add component there
select the music box component

selected

now have it be the first item on the main menu
change the ordering

i can’t change the order on “install component”

no sir

w8, i go to put the language on english

you can hit apply insted of save, then change the ordering

adminstrate menu [main menu]?

no sir

main menu

http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazomo7.png

danZenie, so, you got extended menu work for you?

yes

new

yes sir xota

i can’t see musicbox any site
see the screenshot

danZenie, I used a template which was supposed tro work with extended menu, I also installed extenden menu itself, set all the parameters, but no submenus show up
there are some menu items with submenu items
but they are not visible in the frontend
only in the administration
is there a special trick?

Semilios, like i said. it takes some reading
i don’t remember extended menu off the top of my head
i do remeber it took some trials and reading

ok
thank you
lxmenu is easier?

np
i have no lxmenu experience
xota, select componente
then click siguiente

danZenie, ok! i do it, it works
lot of thanks

no hay problema

danZenie, are u spanish?

no sir i am not a language
i do speak spanish though

;D

you’re missing some tildes on your joomla install

yes, but no problem, it is only for a test

ok
where are you from?

the musicbox componen is pretty, but i need a calendar with events. joomla have one?
i’m spanish

wow
you are a language?

jaja

xota, jevents

lol

that must be nice

how can i say that i’m a person living in spain?

Spaniard?
like the gladiator

i think that is spanish too
but i don’t know
jevents is installed by default?

no sir
its on the JED
Span·iard – A native or inhabitant of Spain.

wow! i must go out now! it’s very late

ok

see u on a hour!
thanks for all

no prob

hi guys; would anyone care to give me some help? my site; www.willskills.com – I have just started using Joomla
and that’s a pretty dirty hack up of one of the default templates in 1.5 beta

hey danZenie
can i PM you please?

pm?
are you ashamed?
others can learn from your questions

guys does anyone have a link to a really simple template / and or tutorial to make one maybe?

willskills, check joomla.de for tempaltes

I can’t code for toffee….

click no downlaods and you’re on your way
make sure you choose 1.5 compatible templates

yes danZenie

cool, thanks danZenie :]

np

danZenie – I am looking for a template that doesn’t have a large border
any ideas on a good one?
like – I am running simpleviewer galleries on my present page with the joomla wrapper

there are 100s of templates there
with live previews

and they are displaying too small

no
1000’s

not that work with 1.5 though
I just get database errors

willskills, try setting your 1.5 to legacy mode

is that in configuration?
sorry – fairly new to joomla, but hacking up that template last night helped me to understand a bit of it
still finding my way around…

re

yo

yeah
so whats the situation again/
?

this is for me?

no sir xota

danZenie, how can i install the patches for jevents?

i tihnk you just replace old files

ok, let’s go

backup the files being replace first
they should have more nfo on their forum

did u installed it?
i need sql tables, but i don’t see the .sql file to import

?
did you install the base component and module?

http://rafb.net/p/EI7H5L49.html

what are you trying to do here?

this appears when i go to “Manage ical events”

dunno buddy
looks like you need that table
did you confifure anything ?
where did it get that name from?
pruebas.jos_jevents_vevent

pruebas is muy bd
jos_ is the prefix
jevents_venevent must be a jevent table
but i don’t see the .sql file that create thats tables

that naming convention is not right though
if anything it should be jos_events_veevent.pruebas

no
it’s good

ok

but i can’t understand this error
something I’m doing bad

the error is looking for a table
in the DB

the source code i suppose that not have this error

it doesn’t find it

the table jos_jevent not exists

no sir

y see via phpmyadmin and don’t exist

the table pruebas.jos… doenst

pruebas is a bd
jos_ is the prefix of all the tables on pruebas bd

entiendo
correcto
pero dice que esa bd no existe

you afraid me when u speak spanish ;p
can u speak spanish good?
because my english is bad ;p

hey
for the contact page
how can i set the email to where it send that

nixl0v3r, on the contact componet
in the backend
xota, don’t be scared

should i use the same secure email server address for everyting on the site.. paypal, contacts

that’s up to you buddy

what would you do
is what im asking i guess

it depends on the type of site
and the reason for having different contacts
why have different contacts if they all use the same email address
once you answer that question, then you can take your next step

its not sending to my email

check the mail setup under gloal configuration
xota
maybe the joomla website hosting users doesn’t have access rights to your pruebas db
joomla db user*

danZenie, no problem, it is fixed
http://www.jevents.net/content/view/22/5/lang,en_GB/
it’s a developer version of jevents

oooh!
you like to live on the edge

vivir al límite?

si
correcto

;D
u know more spanish that me english ;p

i don’t know
your english is pretty good

someday we must have a skype chat, u in spanish, me in english lol

will i be paid for this?

ur payment is know more spanish than the spanish that you know now
;D

LOL
no creo que eso sea necesario
pero gracias

i don’t see the module jevents now ;( to publish it on the front page ;(
i installed all the modules, and the component

sure its there
under moduel manager
module*

Site Modules

it not appears
doesn’t
appear ;p
i have installed it, because on the component it say me that are installed but not published

well they have to be published

site modules to publish it

second page maybe?

;D i’m stupid

do a type filter for mod_events_…

i find it
in the second page lol
danZenie, lot of thanks for all ur help

np mang

Hi. Anyone knows if is there an extension to limit the numeber of downloads of a file basing on the number of uploads?
For example, if I up 1file I can download 10files

afternoon

hey all , has anyone coverted IPB to Fireboard?

anyone know how to use the joomla db login off the top of their heads?
mysql_connect(localhost, $db_user, $db_passwd) or die(mysql_error());
how do you find the db_user and db_passwd

myphp admin
or check your mysql db
cpanel

heh none of those fancy toys at my disposal
i thought the user/pass had to be stored within joomla for it to make all it’s queries
i’ve found $mosConfig_db and $mosConfig_dbprefix

u asked where to check and i told u, u didnt say u didnt have access
or does anyone know how i can intergrate IPB into joomla
i need to integrate ipb into joomla has any1 done this?

Someone know the url that I found all the features of Joomla, also Joomla 1.5?
Someone knows some Joomla channel in Brazilian Portuguese?

doubt anyone here knows

hey room
can anyone recommend someone to make a custom template or an office
1.5

have you tried joomlancers?

nope
i’ll look
thanks

Is it possible install joomla over MS Windows?
Is it possible runs Joomla in MS Windows?

anyone really moded virtuemart

only some little
ugly pack

I am going to build a delivery site off it and I am wondering if there is any one out there that wants to help

deliverof what?

food
and goods

ok, where from?

from our store
to the customers homes

no i mean where u from

Austin Texas

ok

and you

swiss capital
PM ?
have u identified to nickserv
../msg nickserv register YOURPASS
../msg nickserv identify YOURPASS
fill it out and send without the dot in the beginning

anyone know any good extentions to help organize video galleries? also it would be good to be able to embed from youtube and such
I tried seyret but I don’t think it had a clear enough presentation

re all
what is the final word on SEF/SEO urls and Gallery2 integration?
I don’t know why this is bothering me so muhc

not even thankful

good evening everyone

hello bigodines

daniel_bergamini, hello

im thankful
thats why i disappear into the bathroom for 5 minutes
i need to find someplace to really learn about SEO or SEF

are all peeps in texas whores?

like how friendly is http://www.forgemodels.com/model.php?model=35 really
i dont know
im not in texas

I agree
I wonder the same

i didnt say you are one

thats not really work safe
oh but you tried to point in that direction
i felt the fingers
i mean nothing bad is on it
other then some text like adult.. girl girl etc
be careful with some of the other links however

like Adult-Solo Masturbation

!learn add texasWhore SiliconG@ppp-70-128-226-137.dsl.austtx.swbell.net
??texaswhore

or Light Bondage, I have to wonder where the line is drawn

?? texaswhore

SiliconG@ppp-70-128-226-137.dsl.austtx.swbell.net

ups
shouldnt be public
just so i note who doesnt deserve support

you have a few train wrecks on your sight there

?
oh
yeah
the two girls
21 and 19 are cute the other two… ehh but i will still make money off them

there are a few girls that are train wrecks, yeah
ok
as long as you know

did u fuck them all?

uh oh
all of them? I know I didn’t
a few of the pictures are blurry though

i mean the doc and his site chicks
lol

oh

i dont think so… thought i found a better job ;P

so does “contacts” (part of joomla core) replace the partystaff component?

hmm

seems like there were more and more stable components when it was just mambo
does that mean more is in the joomla core?

you there?

oyasuminasai … ^^

hi

i where i could read about the license of joomla or mambo? And if it is possible to remove the references to it withouth breaking the license.

Hey guys.
I got a pretty novice Joomla Question
Anyone able to help out?
Or atleast hear me out?
anyone?
?
I have a novice joomla web hosting Question. Anyone able to help?

on what?

regarding templates… it has to be easy.
I just don’t know how to ask the question
I’m trying to get the Hompage to have a different template than the all the other pages on the website

just do it

I want a completely different look

on the template manager

ya?

assign one for frontpage
you’ve that option there
instead of click on “Default”, click on “assign”

really
aw!!!
I see it now!!!!
that was really easy
I knew it was a basic question

sure was

So another stupid question.
Where did you find this room?
I just typed in #joomla

browsing around

and found you guys here

yes

Cool Cool

I came to check on #Virtuemart
and decided to look further

Ha… so how does that work for you?

what? VM?

ya

depends on what you want
for a store only, Zen-Cart is better

osCommerce?

if you want a store plus some functionality rather than add products
than think VM
osCommerce is totally outdated

hahaha

Zen-Cart is a OSC fork

gottcha

and more uptodate

Ya, good god

no need for unsafe REGISTER_GLOBALS on

hahah is that Os?

in OSC it’s needed

osCommerce really didn’t get their stuff together for their new release… I think Os is dead

unless you go after each var and convert it

Hey, well you helped me out…
Maybe I can help you out

on what?

I’m meeting with Joomla users in the bayarea
at Google HQ
once a month
we’re going to do some podcasting
I’m going to try stream some of our live chat
next meeting is the first Tuesday in Augues
Aug.

I’m sorry

no need to be there

I’m from the other side of the Atlantic

Just check back at our website
osCommerce really didn’t get their stuff
oops

Portugal

http://bayareajoomla.org
We’re going to do some stuff that you can WATCH or LISTEN to
Just bookmark it

ok
what time is it there?

0 Califronia
PST
Pacific Standard Time

I mean now

Oh…
12 Midnight
What time is it where you are?

-0800 from here
8 AM

nice…

GMT

so add 8 to 1900

ouch

1900 HOURS, is the meeting

middle of the night

lol
then we can record it for you
that’s why they want to do a podcast
Maybe people will ask questions ahead of time.
Anyways…
Maybe something you could check out…
it’s probably worth bookmarking just to check back
Hey BarDuck

well, ty anyway

Np

I must go on to shower and bring kids to doctor

hah, enjoy yourself
If you need Domain or Hosting my company’s website is http://www.DownDoggy.com

gosh

insupport

except for the logo
it looks a lot like Godaddy

we work with GoDaddy for most of our products
We have better prices on Domains
It’s hard to beat 6.95 USD for a .COM

is your domain control panel as good as godaddy?
by looks it seams to be the same, isn’t it?

Yes.

from secureserver.net

Ya. It’s about 90%

I can recommend your company

Of course

on registering

Thank you. Please, and give my Skype information
I like to work with people individually
everyone has their own unique situation

normally…

Yes.

but I’ll forward your address
to the companies I work with

Great!

not to my self… I’ve domains enough

That would be fabulous

just turns out strange
the last time I registered an .info

We’ve got over 300+ customers we’ve been in business since 2004.

at Godaddy

ya?

it was the same price as yours
but 1 year = 1.99
2 years = about 9 USD/each year

A lot of prices are determined on external factors
There are other companies external from GoDaddy and DownDoggy that set prices

well, I do not say it should be 3.98/2 years

they own the TLD’s (top level online domain registration names)
..INFO, .COM, .NET

but shouldn’t it appear like 1st year 1.99 + normal price for second?

you’ll always find the best deals at DownDoggy
Usually not…
We are telling people no.
But, like I said, if the external companies set their price lower for renewal. You’ll find the best price at DownDoggy.com

ok

We can’t promise 1.99

I’m not expecting such
just mentioned this because was a real situation and the price was that one.

It’s common practice, however we keep our domain prices really really low. As we hope you’ll buy some of our other services.
Well, I know you need to take your kids to the doctor… I really appreciate you referring DownDoggy.com

I’ve low control on the hosts
just can recommend
since I’m not the companies owner

I see.

just a freelancer at the service of several companies
well, gotta go
cya

Nice talking to you.
Hopefully I’ll see you around

hi

hey there

hey guys
I finally convinced someone else to go with Joomla
so I’ve been developing the site tonight
took about an hour but now I’m getting IE working
so I probably have 300 hours ahead of me
actually all I have left is the png fix so no big deal

cool cool

Can I get a horizontal AND a vertical menu of lxmenu on the SAME website? I need to define its direction (horizontal or vertical) in the component …. there is only one component … where could I define a second instance of lxmenu?

err. I’m not the best person to answer.

omg what is so hard to understand about text-align:right;
i hate ie

hehehe

http://rynix.com/wip/fruition/
FF is how its supposed to look
works in opera and konqueror too
png’s work in 7 but not 6 but I’ll fix that shortly

CraZy675 = Nick Yeoman ?

yes
if you went to nickyeoman.com and viewed the contact page you would see my nick on irc is CraZy675, but yea way to much work

ok

okay I’ll leave this IE crap till after I have a beer

ha

hi

how can i define a active menu? e.g. when i open it, the menu name should change to a diffrent color?
so that you see where you are

errr… I’m not the expert

go. get one! )

hahaha
Well, check this out
I go to a montly Joomla user group meeting at Google’s HW
HQ
and we talk about Joomla stuff….
I was hoping we could get some of this Live, so we could facilitate some of the questions being asked.
would you be interested?
our website is http://bayareajoomla.org/
0 Pacific
bookmark this website
http://bayareajoomla.org/

i cant resolve the domain :

try http://www.bayareajoomla.org/
just type in Bay Area Joomla . Org

hi guys
please check www.joomlafaq.com and let me know what I can do to make it better
and can I put a irc applet here and link to this channel directly ?

at first glance. it seems like it’s for the beginner
basic
Instead of “About Joomla” say “Getting Started”

its for the beginner .

good good
do you work on joomla?
as a develoer?

i do
i customize joomla on requests
not hifi , but basic

i see.

i have worked as a sysadmin for 10 years now and also on php/mysql .. i have been using joomla since its mambo beta days

um. its also showing this for 1.01
might want to talk about 1.5

noted .. so maybe make this site always talk about the latest one instead of old ones

no, talk about the one everyone uses
just include a little something about 1.5
its vastly different
too much test
text
http://www.joomlafaq.com/joomla-seo/joomla-seo.html
need bigger headers
to help separate
question about this topic
I heard a couple things work
Artio JoomSEF
then someone said no
admin0
talk to Joomla’s top guy
when it comes to documents

i have noted all down

do you know who he is?

i have no idea

Chris Davenport – Document leader
Good site.
Are you open to plugging hosting companies?

how do I actually talk to him ? shoot a PM via the forums ?

Ya, I don’t know… I actually had a random note from Joomla Day West

my plans are this .. complete howto with screenshots for the whole install process and how to do most things .. and again some guys here are makinga flash tutorual for the same .. so flash tutorials for install, components install, backup install .. and a CHAT applet that leads directly here

that’s your guy though

you need better tutorials like how to make a component for joomla web host 1.5
and how to modify a 1.5 template

first, lets start wtih basic howto, then go on advance .. including templates and tutorials howto

but its so easy to install stuff

ya…. also let people know there are tools that allow 1-Click installs

!g joomla install component

http://www.joomlatribune.com/joomla/installing-joomla-components.html

!g create joomla 1.5 component

http://www.packtpub.com/Joomla-Extensions/book

You might do better with Joomla 1.5 content
There is ton of the 1.01 stuff already out there like they say
how to install jooma?
1.5
you’ll be more unique that way

yes

if your goal is to drive traffic

and you won’t have to redo all your content in acouple months

nah
Crazy, Joomla 1.5 will not ne adapted right away for people that already have Joomla installed
it’s for the new people that have yet to start using Joomla

thats not what I’m telling my clients

i want a site visiting which, people will know what joomla is, how to use joomla and use joomla .. my goal is to make people use joomla as much as possible

that’s a business decision for you… obviouslly you make money with doing upgrads
ya ya

it would be nice to have a community wiki I think

then send them to my website for hosting.
and you can develop the site.

what is the timeline for 1.5 stable do you know?

I think you or admin0 were right, it’s about a month.

I remember when I first installed the first beta last October

Latest September

sweet

That’s just about as bad as osCommerce
lol

right, but its a large update

you’re right
I don’t really know about osCommerce

things should move much more quickly now the code is more efficient
i’ve always used interchange

It’s all about ZenCart and VM

yea I’ve read about zencart and was thinking about trying it
VM is good too

I don’t know anything about either of them
Except we have 1-Click installs

I try to stay away from ecommerce and stick with catalogs
saves a lot of hasssle/costs for everyone

If you ever get into it… talk to the guys at InSupport.com
They work with developing full fledge ecommerce websites

neat
they don’t do any SEO

is that a question?
or a statement?

statement

ah… because they have a flash website?

they probably do a bunch you can’t get away without it
yea

ya ya.
perhaps… I don’t know too much about them
They’re just big into the ecommerce.
question for you…

yippy a question

is there away to turn off some of the default content that gets published with a CONTENT ITEM?

remove it?

ie the PRINT PDF button
and the [BACK] button at the bottom?

oh yea you can turn it off two ways

I want a global way

either on the individual item or globaly

where is that?

global configuration

haha okay,…

content tab

what tab?
ah
you’re ahead of me

yea i don’t have it memorized I had to call it up or I would have been faster

so, any1 here today who can tell me why joomsef takes href-part of link away…

I’ve actually not been working with Joomla for about 4 months now so I’m a little rusty

perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or sef that cames with joomla

i use opensef

without any sef, it works fine

SH404SEF – USE THIS ONE FOR URLS
Do not ARTIO – SEO URL rewriter
COMSEF – patch alters the joomla

i mean, when i insert some links to content, they doesnt work…. it shows only a sometext/a

thos are my notes on SEF stuff

what’s wrong with artio ?

why OPEN SEF?
I donno…

I’ve had very little problems with open-sef

Just what some told me
Okay…

now that I know how to use it I can’t get away without using it

ya ya
I need to do it

COMSEF ?

I think it’s a paid for one

for my 1.5 sites I’ve found the default core sef url tools work good enough

So is OpenSEF hard to learn?

nope

i am using ARTIO JOOMSEF on www.joomlafq.com , it worked without any fuss.. Just install and forget , and it rewrote the URL perfectly

And what is the difference between OPEN and ARTIO?

might have some problems with the install setting up the .htaccess
other than that pretty smoth
smooth

okay

i’ve not used artio

admin0? difference?
can you UN install it if you don’t like it?

ye, it worked for a while ok, but then it just broke… all links created by joomla works, but not those that i add to the content

open sef can be uninstalled if you don’t like it

i have not used opensef . I think i tried it, but could not make it work,and then tried this ARTIO that worked out of the box .

or disabled for development(if your working on a development server)

nah…. i’m using it for the first time
So I don’t want to mess it up.
It sounds like Artio is the popular one
Seems like everyone has heard of it
even if they don’t like it
anything extremely attractive about OPEN or ARTIO guys?

so no idea what’s wrong with my sef ?

sorry, Mika… I’m diverting your problem.
obviouslly I don’t know the first thing.

??seo
?? components

an overview of components, modules and mambots http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,25317.0.html & http://www.joomlaos.de

?? seo

http://www.seomoz.org/beginners.php

?? sef

sef[1]: comparison http://www.open-sef.org/forum/opensef-documentation/performance-comparison.html
sef[2]: perhaps… http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,1063/Itemid,35/ ?

flg I still love you bot

hahaha

ToastGuy, i installed ATRIO and it worked out of the box .. check the links at www.joomlafaq.com .. it shows site/categories/title .. i do not have to do anything else .. it just worked fine as required

You won’t get that in any other chat except for IRC
perfect
you’re website is already helping!

alright I’m off to make my dinner
yes its 4am here

0 PM

i have couple other sites, and sef works just fine with them… i have no idea what have gone to that joomla

where are you in California Crazy?

cos even core seo doesnt work

me
?

Crazy?

guess where i am

same time zone as california yes, but I’m way up north in canada
usame time zone as california yes, but I’m way up north in canada/u

1 PM

ah… never mind

Kathmandu, NEPAL

California

Finland

nice
We had a Joomla Day on the West Cost
coast

i guess there will never be a Joomla Day in Nepal

It was a lot of fun. We got to hangout at Google.

maybe I shall try JoomlaDay Everest

They Have Joomla days everywhere
australia, ny, texas, england

Or JoomlaJUMP and make all jump the 500 feet bungy jump here

two in australia :p

ya ya

sydney and melbourne

that’s where joomla started

the europeans have run a few

makes sense
Germany I think

france as well
uk i think had one

wow

thailand is going to have one shortly (they had one last year but it was a joint mambo thing)

Well, we started out own little Joomla Group.

south africa as stated on the website
malaysia had one the last year

0

what actually happens in Joomladay ?

you get a whole heap of people together to talk about joomla

http://www.jdaywest.joomla.org/index.php/Main_Page
This is our wiki

so you might be good at something, so you talk about it

pizza, beer ?

no beer

food is up to you, depends on how you want to structure things

we’re not hard core like that

french had wine i believe

Google bought us food and t-shirts
they really took care of us

indeed

This website sucks, but check back in August
http://bayareajoomla.org/
I’m trying to do a UStream-Like thing here
Broadcast our meeting LIVE to the web
I got another question… you ready?
Are you guys around for a question?
Maybe that’s my question
I have an extremely easy question
It’s definately a novice question
??

nick]

so ask it

How do I edit a the menu code? Like ‘topmenu’
Or I mean the module
is that under /modules/
?

modules/mod_mainmenu.php

does that take care of all the menus?

every menu goes throguh that yes

Well, here’s my problem I guess, the menu names are running into each other
Is there a CSS fix ?
12px
but it just messed up other links
that i didn’t want spaced….
I want About | Contact | Company Bio | Etc | Etc

you can set a per menu css suffix
and style it individually

under the module?

yeah in the admin backend

I assume “Indent Image” does inbetween stuff
What do I type into Spacer?
a value?
like 12
End Spacer?
Damn, there is so much to learn about Joomla.
thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i played around with it… i got it

hello

hi

I am using Joomla with Apache 2.x and PHP 5

okay…

I placed my joomla folder under the htdocs of Apache

okay

And changed the documentroot of the server to the joomla folder

okay

I guess this has problems with the style and image paths used in Jooml
Joomla*

um…

as i could only see the text and no style and images

is this your own server?

Yes

okay…
view source

Its all on this one system

where are the images pointing to?
Joomla is self contained
yes

I haven’t looked into that…

ya,, that’s your next step

Joomla doesn’t make use of relative paths is it?

um… it depends how the templates are setup

i mean it does not refer to the documentroot and extend the paths from there?
I haven’t used any extra templates..

the defualt install uses /images/whatever.jog
jpg*

I see..
If it is relative like that then there should not be any problem right?

are you bring up the website with a DOMAIN
or /localhost/
?

i have tried localhost
I can try through LAN and use the computer name to see, if that is of some help

did you dind out where the images are pointing to right now?

nope.. a moment.. i will look into it

usually it’s /template/TEMPLATENAME/filename.xxx
or /images/Something.xxx

look at this
link rel=”stylesheet” href=”templates/php echo $cur_template;?/css/template_css.css” type=”text/css” /

ya

its relative

that’s the template
your PHP isn’t working
unless your looking at the actual template file

oh.. no no

you have PHP code in your doc?

PHP is fine
I just copied it from the .php file itself
not the output of PHP

what is the problem?

okay….
Go to you hompage (/localhost/)
View Source

CraZy675, I changed the documentroot of the server and after that images and styles are not woking
ToastGuy, oh… a moment

where do the images point to

hi
is it possible to access the underlying bitmap data of an img element (if loaded) through the dom?

hi noobs

hi )

hi
will this regex match any possible link allowed in standard html?
preg_match_all(‘/\s*a\s*href\s*=\s*”([^"]+)”\s*\s*([^]+)\s*\s*\/\s*a\s*/m’, $link, $m);
‘/\s*a\s*href\s*=\s*”([^"]+)”\s*\s*([^]+)\s*\s*\/\s*a\s*/m’
ops
I’m mainly talking about newlines. maybe I’ve added too many of them? (or too few?)
hope someone can read that mess

is there a way for me to make sure that a certain line of text doesn’t wrap to the next line?

http://yawgm8th.wuputah.com/smb3/w1/

is there a simple tool for making html tables?
is there a simple tool for making html tables?
is there a simple tool for making http://www.oxxus.net“>html tables?

?

em is the newer and preferred way if i’m not mistaken
italics is something you usually define in the stylesheet
em just means you want emphasis on some text
which you can define in the stylesheet as being italic
but if you aren’t using css then i think both i and em do the same thing

who needs html tags once you have css, it all goes with span class=”css_style”

well, HTML isn’t a presentational language
HTML describes the content of a document, and CSS is then used to display the information as it’s designed

yeah
i would never just use all spans and divs
i use h1 through h4 all the time and also p, ul, and the line
like*

style
li,input,input.btn,select{
color:#050;
font-family:’trebuchet ms’,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size:84%;
font-weight:bold;
background-color:#fed;
border:1px solid;
border-top-color:#696;
border-left-color:#696;
border-right-color:#363;
border-bottom-color:#363;
}
..navbar{
white;
color:#050;
font-family:’trebuchet ms’,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size:84%;
font-weight:bold;
background-color:#fed;
border:1px solid;
border-top-color:#696;
border-left-color:#696;
border-right-color:#363;

Gah!

border-bottom-color:#363;
}

{ Background Properties }
table, tr, td { background-color:green; border:none; border-width:0;}
body {
background-color:000000;
background-image:url(‘http://www.brightvps.com/paste/css/zertxtr.gif‘);
background-attachment:fixed;
background-position:center center;
background-repeat:repeat;
border-top-width:0px;
border-bottom-width:0px;
border-left-width:0px;
border-right-width:0px;
border-color:000000;
border-style:none;
padding-left:0px;
padding-right:0px;
}

table table { border: 0px;
{background-image:url(‘http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol3/html_no6_fig1.gif‘);}
background-repeat:no-repeat;
}
table table table table{border:0px}
table, tr, td { background-color:transparent; border:none; border-width:0;}
table table table {
border-style:none;
border-width:3;
border-color:000000;
background-color:;

Your CSS is horribly invalid. Use the W3C CSS validator

background-image:url(”);
background-repeat:no-repeat;
background-attachment:fixed;
background-position:center center;
}
table table table table td {filter:none;}
{ Text Properties }
table, tr, td, p, div {font-family:comic sans ms !important; font-size:16px !important; color
can i make the &nbsp character entity have no effect ?

No you can’t. You should probably never use  
And *NEVER* paste your crap here
Use pastebin

that was a typo
Nanobot, that is the sort of crappy code that myspace and the parasites that it supports are using
uNanobot, that is the sort of crappy code that myspace and the parasites that it supports are using/u

“{}” != comments

yah but it seems to work

“Seems” is the key word there
All of those IE 6 hacks “seemed” to work until IE 7 came out and all of those sites broke

is it illegal to leech links from some page?
hello btw

erm, that’s what search engines do, no?

let me be more specific. there’s this porn site that links to free movies. it has hundreds of links. I want to harvest all those links and post them on my own site
make that thousands
and the name of my web page is almost the same
as the one I’m leeching links from

immoral? yes, illegal, I wouldn’t think so. Depends on if it’s *just* urls
if it’s actual content then yes
that’d be copyright infringement

yes I realize that. so links should be ok

ok as in legal? probably, but I’m not a lawyer. ok as in moral? no
find your own links, do your own legwork.

wait.. there’s a porn site that links to movies?

benlong
the site doesn’t actually host the movies, it just links to other site hosting them. so basically I would copy the entire site. I’m not really sure if that would be legal

ask a lawyer

links are the whole content of that site

then yeah, it’d probably be copyright infringement

I didn’t mean copy as in just copy/paste the html, but I’d copy the links. and add some functionality that the site in question doesn’t have, like searching
can you have a copyright on links?
heh

ok, it’s time you asked a lawyer

yeah I will, thanks

it’s only wrong if you get caught

hi
can i add an image after (to the right) of an element using css?

yes, but IE doesn’t support it

ah, thanks

]rounded

http://www.smileycat.com/miaow/archives/000044.html http://fumle.dk/public/webdev/round-corners/

is there an alternative approach that works in IE?

see _ZofBot3’s

ummm, i am not talking about rounded corners (?)

Use a background web hosting for online images on that element

floated right

i already have a bg image on it

use schills rounded corners

now i need, depending on the class, to put another image to the right of it

Sounds like you need to wrap it in another element.

hmmmm

This channel is also for XHTML or am I wrong?
I have problems setting the background colour in XHTML when served with MIME type “application/xhtml+xml” but it works with “text/html”. Works = http://kjarni.cc/m/uploads/1187525969.png , Broken = http://kjarni.cc/m/uploads/1187477025.png

how do you try to set it?

Through CSS.

hang on, booting firefox to have a peek

body { background-color: #E6EEEF; color: #000000; }

!v http://omerc.net/cssfloat.html

Valid – http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://omerc.net/cssfloat.html
Valid – http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://omerc.net/cssfloat.html

Both valid.

Polarina can you describe your problem for me?

” I have problems setting the background colour in XHTML when served with MIME type “application/xhtml+xml” but it works with “text/html”. Works = http://kjarni.cc/m/uploads/1187525969.png , Broken = http://kjarni.cc/m/uploads/1187477025.png “

are you using css?

Yes.

is it possible for me to see the page you’re working on?

Yes.
http://rafb.net/p/TNt3OF67.html

hm..

Anything?

just a second I’m going to try something

Ok.

here is one thing that works; if you put your background color in * { } instead of body { } it will fill the background with the color
also if it was a .html document with that mime type and the color in the body { } it would work
(if that makes any sense)

If it is a .html it would have a different MIME type. Even if the MIME type were the same but the extension not, it wouldn’t work. I tested.

putting the background in * { } works

But why not body { }? Probably because body ony occupies the first line of the page, right?

this is very much likely the wrong place to ask this, but I can’t find another related channel, so hopefully someone here knows. I am looking for the best place to create a mailing list, any ideas? I am considering either a free place on the internet or a script I can place on my own server.

Possibly

##PHP
I think it makes sense.

yahoo or msn groups perhaps?

Polarina:

And it works, too.
You saved my life.

hehe

ok thanks Polarina/noccy

np

You are most welcome.

Hello
What tags do I need to make my page findable in Google?

Valid HTML is all you need.

Odd.

h2, etc.?

How can you find my page then?

i doubt it even requires valid html hosting just that someone links to it or that you register it with google
http://www.google.com/addurl/

Nice.
Thanks.

np

Good night everyone.

nn Polarina

night

there anything like the YUI, but more for flash develpment rather than javascript?

ask #flash on efnet

ok ty

are any of you all familiar with .htaccess files

yes
noone talks in #flash on efnet :/

lies :p
?

hi guys
I want to print the REMOTE_HOST value
in html
somebody can help me?

##php ?

mmm no I want to do that on html I don’t have php installed on the reverse proxy
mmm no I want to do that on html I don’t have php webhosting installed on the reverse proxy

cant do it with html, you need some sort of scripting language

Perl?
if your box doesn’t have Perl, it sucks :p

yeah I have perl
but I don’t have mod_perl I think so

don’t need mod_perl
#!/usr/bin/perl echo $ENV['REMOTE_HOST']; or something like that

mm ok let me probe it
mm koompa what I need to do in order to load it in my browser?

save it as a .cgi file
might have to put in your cgi-bin on web server, depending on setup
change file permissions to 755

koompa, now works but I want it loaded automatly
I add it on DirectoryIndex but not works

http://paste.css-standards.org/23211 Why will #main not display the border?

you would need something like SSI
server side includes in your html

hi
how to make a td clickable ?

javascript

etc.

]doctype @ KristopherWindso

Take a gander at the fine document type definitions available here: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html (HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended)

should i use html or xhtml? what are the differences?

]know xhtml @ KristopherWindso

Are you using XHTML? READ THIS: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml , http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml , http://www.webdevout.net/articles/validity-and-well-formedness

i’m using php for a new site, and can currently change the html output fairly easily, so i haven’t really decided yet
the first link you gave me, to w3.org, uses xhtml

hey reisio, how goes it?

okay – you?

frustrated… but okay.
this stuff should be easy for me, but it never seems that way

ha, http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml-examples/1.xhtml
ha, a href=”http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml-examples/1.xhtml”http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml-examples/1.xhtml/a

link href=”links.css” rel=”stylesheet” type=”text/css” /
that’s how I’m calling an external stylesheet that is in the directory with the rest of the other files

looks ok

http://pastie.caboo.se/89023
that’s the content of the CSS file being called
very simple

how’s that funny?

just want to change link behavior, to color different

a { color: fuchsia; } a:hover { color: lime; }

n/m
fuchsia is a predefined color? wow, there must be a lot of those

there used to be
then they were axed
CSS3 might have added them back in, I don’t recall
doesn’t really matter, CSS3 is supposed to have definable colors or something

a { color: blue; }
a:hover { color: green; }
a:visited { color: red; }

wrong :p

me confundo
I don’t get it

a {
color: #3388FF;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover {
background-color: #99BBFF;
color: #FF0000;
}

do they all have to go on the same line?

lime matches blue and red better, unfortunately
green goes with navy and maroon
http://w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#dynamic-pseudo-classes

in html, or do i have to change it to ?

use the closing tag

??

?

br /

….
HTML: , XHTML: br /
]know xhtml

Are you using XHTML? READ THIS: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml , http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml , http://www.webdevout.net/articles/validity-and-well-formedness

you already gave me those links

with html ????

you can, but you shouldn’t

?

because previously i had used , and someone told me to use the ‘/’ character
google homepage doesn’t use a doctype????

someone who?

i’ll find it..

wtf

please don’t look at Google code as an example of what you should do :p
they code like old people fuck

the validator is fucking stupid, and telling me stuff is wrong that doesn’t seem like it
like I shouldn’t close my tag with a “”

someone that probably doesn’t know the difference between XHTML and html hosting and uses XHTML because it has an ‘X’ and looks cooler told you that
eh? Example?

i won’t.. i just noticed that in the list of sites that use html (on the beware of xhtml pgae), no search engines were listed, so i wonder if google used xhtml

validate kulbe.name

I know the newer version of the validator doesn’t catch /’s in HTML
probably Nanobot’s fault :p
@http://kulbe.name/

(kulbe.name/) HTML: Failed (5 errors, see http://tinyurl.com/3brd2u ) | CSS: Valid ( http://tinyurl.com/27mu4l ) | DOCTYPE: HTML 4.01 Frame + url | (MIME: text/html, text/html; charset=utf-8)

is sometimes valid HTML, sometimes not

fuck.
the CSS is valid?!

It’s valid anywhere character data is allowed

then WTF doesn’t it work?!
dammit, I want a beer

you know I’m talking about tags :p
I hope you know, anyways

I wasn’t really paying attention

which one am I looking for?

Google uses horrible markup.

so i saw..

Most search engines have crappy markup

the 4th and 5th errors

http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,128154.0.html

check the ‘End Tag’ column for the ‘FRAME’ row: http://w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html

although i’m not even sure i used a doctype for that project
at the time, i used

is SMF PHP?

near the end of that page..
smf?

the forum system

is the only correct and well-supported one for HTML. XHTML isn’t well-supported at all.

yes, that’s why it’s at a php site

/br

hrmmm

btw, yes i realize that project wasn’t accepted well

which one that starts with ’s’ am I thinking of that uses Perl…

this is confusing…
lots of conflicting info

i’m confued, too w3schools says , but the validator says br /
*confused

huh?
First of all, never listen to w3schools
They have a lot of crap

second of all, what you said doesn’t make sense

w3schools has nothing to do with the W3C.
Which doctype are you using?

my prof says use br /. That’s why I told him to.
I thought it was the right tag.
I used it several times in my site

Why do people get paid to teach bad information?

none. for my current project: i will use html4.1 – strict if it works, else transit…
then why doesn’t w3schools post a disclaimer?

If you’re using HTML, use
A disclaimer for what?
w3schools never claims to be affiliated with W3C.

for not agreeing with official w3.org

Anyone can have “w3″ in their domain
I could make w3experts if I want
It doesn’t mean I’m affiliated with W3C

is only if you’re using XHTML, which you shouldn’t use

It’s written like for HTML

did you see http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,128154.0.html ? they say to use br /
did you see a href=”http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,128154.0.html”http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,128154.0.html/a ? they say to use br /

is the XHTML syntax. is the HTML syntax.

If you’re using HTML, use
Period

in html?

literally means

character on the page

The only thing is all *major* browsers fail to support it correctly
So they treat it like
Either way, is better

it’s less legible

No it isn’t…

your professor? What’s his title?

she

oh
’nuff said

because it was more clear, and i’m really annoyed if i have to witch to again

Hang on a minute, I’ll show you an example of the problem

not a clue… just a community college teacher

if you’re going to be active in the field for any length of time, you’ll have to be able to switch back and forth on the fly
it’s not any harder than learning anything else
what’s the class title?

-_-

I have an HTML toutorial. Does anyone here want to read it? Just to make sure it is correct?

125H-30: HTML & Web Site Design

sure

fortunately i found this before i wrote all 50php files for my current project

yeah don’t waste your time :p
simple to find and replace

http://tinyurl.com/3yfucp – Scroll down and look at the source and outline.

I thought it’d be a cake class.

Notice the “” in the outline
That’s because of the br /

I actually find classes with ridiculously stupid instructors harder to take

A *real* HTML parser would see “br /” as “”

in HTML

my page has 40 errors because i used id instead of class

This is the first of a series about web designing for those of you who don’t know anything about it. I will start off with the basics and end with making your own code, including CSS, so here it goes.

When you go to a web page on the internet, your web browser (the program you view web pages in) sends a request to view a page to the server (the computer that the site is on). When the server receives the request it sends the code for the requested page to your web browser. It doesn’t actually send the visual part of the page. Once the web browser receives the code, it renders the code into a visual page.

:/
Don’t paste it here
You can paste us a link to it

sorry
i didn’t mean to

Look, reisio and I know our stuff. Most community college web design teachers really don’t know much and their knowledge is usually quite out of date.

regardless of subject, but particularly for web stuff
or anything related to computers, really

not for images
looking..

I regularly chat with the people who make web browsers and write the standards.
And I read newsfeeds on hundreds of blogs from these guys

Here it is. http://tan-com.com/html-tutorial/introduction.txt

If you’re going to use the “br” element in HTML, you should write it

i guess i will

If you’re writing XHTML, then the most compatible way (although not error-free) is br /
has no practical or theoretical compatibility problems in HTML

‘Language, Is’ s/Is/is

yes, i see the error
(at that page)

ok

in XHTML doesn’t really have any practical compatibility problems, but if you’re sending it as text/html then you’re relying on buggy parsers which is bad in theory

’surrounded by which’ s/which/what

no wonder i’m confused, i just realized reisio is in both of my chat tabs

heh

Thanks

I should mention that reisio doesn’t know *all* of his stuff. He thinks faux columns are evil because they’re french or something

‘he tag it’s name’ its*

its = possessive “it”. it’s = “it is”

is standard HTML before

It is
It just doesn’t mean what you think it means
br /
That’s a perfectly valid HTML tag
But no major browsers handle it correctly

lol

‘HR (Horizontal Ruler)’ s/Ruler/Rule
maybe it doesn’t imply what you meant to imply

thanks I thought it was the other way around

:p

“br /” is a complete br tag, and then there’s a “” left over

it is the other way around, in some situations :p
reisio’s box
its box

ok thanks

Nanobot, I wanted to ask you, why make our sites valid XHTML?

English is a screwed up language

‘attribute styles’ not all attribute values are stylistic
….as opposed to?

Huh? I recommend making it valid HTML, not XHTML

‘height=”5px”.’ height=”5″
whoa…deja vu

ok

I think we’ve done this exact tag team before… :p

reisio Nanobot, as opposed to using valid HTML (not necessarily valid XHTML)

so why use XHTML instead of HTML?

If you ask me, XHTML doesn’t offer anything useful in most cases and only brings new problems. You should use valid HTML

‘With that you have a horizontal like that goes across the 70% of the screen and is 5 pixels high.’ … maybe ‘With that you get a horizontal rule that takes up 70% of its parent’s width, and is approximately 5 pixels tall.’ ?

reisio, XHTML is intended to replace HTML

yeah…
are you asking the questions or giving the answers?

so why the hell stick to HTML

pick one
get back to me

When parsed as XML (which Internet Explorer won’t really do), XHTML allows you to combine multiple XML formats in a single file. The thing is, that’s bad practice. It’s good practice to keep things modular and separate, not mixed together.

ok i will look at that too

I’m curious about why would it be a good idea to stick to HTML, or change to code only XHTML

last paragraph is a bit fragmented
EOF :p

Your text runs off ;p

HTML is more better supported than XHTML

ok

XHTML has features HTML does not

reisio, yeah, that’s a pro to html

yes it is

When parsed as XML, XHTML will also give you a fat error message when you write malformed markup. However, that gives people the false perception that they don’t need to also validate their pages. In reality, well-formed is not the same thing as valid, and a page can be one but not the other.

what exactlly do you mean by “runs off”

but xhtml has also pros, maybe that it will be fully compatible with PDAs, newer browsers, etc. =?

Tan-com.com
your text runs out of the box on the main page

he means it isn’t wrapped because you don’t have intermittent newlines

Anyone want to buy illusion-x.net or amintyhost.com

..net is such a pointless TLD

iono
I liked it at the time

oh that. I have been looking at that. Do you have any suggestions for it. The CSS for it is at http://tan-com.com/pages/css.css

The PDA thing isn’t really true, nor is the “newer browsers” thing. Most web content has to be parsed as HTML in order to work, so the only mobile browsers that will sell are ones that can handle HTML. It isn’t hard to fit an HTML-capable browser in a mobile phone. Look at the iPhone, Opera Mobile, etc.

Whould the problem be in the CSS or html?

css

Here’s the list of benefits XHTML brings: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml#benefits
But as I mentioned, most of those aren’t even very beneficial in the first place, and half of them encourage bad practices

ok. Do you know what would stop it from doing that?

Why do you say .net is pointless? Why are you dissing www.webdevout.net?

I’m not
webdevout.net even rolls off the tongue nicely
..net is still a pointless TLD
..com is for general and commercial hoes, org is for everyone else

go to pm

My site isn’t commercial and it isn’t an organization, so .net makes more sense

all the rest except for .net are novelties

unless you’re an ISP

it’s a net?

Yes, it’s a net
According to Wikipedia, my site should be .org

:p

It says .net is for Internet infrastructure sites like ISPs

it should be .us, IMO

Quick, I need to make a Web Devout ISP!

because that’s where you are

some people just take the most popular extension that is available

But my site has nothing specifically US-oriented

/us/webdevout/
and domains are for finding locations
they’re so we don’t have to use 283.28.801.72

hello

‘lo black

im a bit of a novice at HTML so i need some help

how do i get border color?

shoot

ive shot

style=”"

k
and do i stick that at the end or?

table style=”[css]“

k

if it’s a sizable project, you should keep all the style data in another file, other wise just use that anywhere in table

..forumline { border-color: fuchsia; }

style=”border-color: red;” might work

content to pdf

hm, i guess you would have to convert it to postscript ultravi01

content?

isn’t canvas content already rasterized?
….

hmm.. Yeah, it probably is

‘The canvas element is part of HTML5 and allows for dynamic scriptable rendering of bitmap images.’

lol

haven’t really used canvas a lot
haven’t used it at all actually

keep up the good work

I’m creating graphs with it
I thought it would be nice if there was a way I could export to pdf

if it’s vector data you’re working with ultravi01, you should perhaps look into SVG instead?
reisio

yeah, I might export it to SVG for the pdf

why not render it to the browser as SVG?

http://www.pdftron.com/pdf2svg/ )

i’d have to rewrite my application

oh okay :/
uff, now it’s bedtime, for sure… 9am
nite

`html colspan
Is there a reverse colspan?

what’s that mean

Well, I wanna remove the upper-left column.
In a table with ths both on top and to the left.
`html table

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#edef-TABLE

So apply a class to it?

Not possible, because the table has a border.
Thus it doesn’t matter what I style it to.

so how does colspan help

Because it would actually remove the column.
And thus it wouldn’t be part of the table.

hmm

Hmm… never heard of colgroup before.

Hello folks
In here ( http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/news-and-articles ), how do I put the menu besides the text like here ( http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/expertise )

i’ve integrated a small amount of PHP into an HTML, however it’s not showing the included file (which are random quotes) – http://pastebin.ca/663208 (line 113)

Need help with div

In here ( http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/news-and-articles ), how do I put the menu besides the text like here ( http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/expertise )
In here ( a href=”http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/news-and-articles”http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/news-and-articles/a ), how do I put the menu besides the text like here ( a href=”http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/expertise”http://update.lansdowneconsulting.com/expertise/a )

Toolkit template

serving a page with a different language at a time already qualifies for ‘dynamic’, doesn’t it?

does it?
if the browser asks for a danish version of the page, and i happen to have a static one, is that dynamic?

I think a page is dynamic from the point on where it doesn’t suffice to just serve exactly one static html page to all visitors

argh — keep getting 403 error

but that negotiation stuff is awesome … ^^

is it real permissions?
i have another question, if I have $langauge_name_here spit out a 403 header, how do i go about having apache process that as a 403?
rather than it just relying on what $script sends as output?

errordocument

errordocument is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#errordocument and http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/custom-error.html

will apache do the errordocument thing if it’s already decided that foods.php is going to answer the request?

errordocument 403 /path/to/script/thingy/here

i request /foo/bar.php and bar.php decides “no script for you” based on some magical dice rolling, so it sends a http/403
apache won’t interpret that and do the errordocument thing will it?

location:

s/interpret/intercept/
does errordocument redirect?

i think you might have to handle it differently then
tias

tias is Try it and See – if you want to know if something will work, give it a go. If not, then you can ask why it didn’t work as expected

meow

meow is a small Cat’s BIG roarrrrr

since the second situation was hypthetical, i can live without knowing
i’ll look it up later

purr

what?

purr is milk and nip for @kitties;

OK, f00li5h.

fajita, be zippy

An INK-LING? Sure — TAKE one!! Did you BUY any COMMUNIST UNIFORMS??

you don’t buy communist things, you just get a share of them
be foolish

huh?

hello,

just be

excuse me?

where?

is the request being served at all?

msgs, NameVirtualHost *:0
i m getting..

use namevritualhost ipaddrhere:80

i don’t think it is file permissions….everything is readable by world.

and Virtualhost ipaddrehere:80

let see.. cuz i try that..

403

403 is Forbidden or don’t forget to look in the error log

permissions

Files need to be readable by the Apache user (e.g. 644). Directories and scripts need the x bit too (e.g. 755). That includes *all* parent directories of a resource. If you have a symlink, check both the source and target. If you have AllowOverride for an unreadable directory, the error message will refer to .htaccess. See also selinux

hrm?

Order allow,deny/

doesn’t work

Look buddy, doesn’t work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn’t work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the config if that’s the problem

403

403 is Forbidden or don’t forget to look in the error log

does the error log have any information to offer?

error says “403″ — real helpful

good point fajita

no

are you root on that box?
if you are, su to $httpd_user and try cd’ing to that directory

just says “Client deneied by server configuration”

and then try to cat the file

to what dir?
i checked the logs.

display: failed to open display ” ” any idea of what can be wrong?

I am sure he has not more than several hundreds records a month. It can be managed even by word processor

how are you starting it?

Morglet, it’s not that they’re not being put into stable quick enough, it’s code that technically hasn’t been released as a version yet. once it gets officially released, they’ll add it to the unstable portage, then, after testing, move it to stable

your xorg.conf has some errors?

sure you are right, there could be hundreds of software, sorry for the question

aha

by the cmmand blackbox

any organizer

not how you do it. edit ~/.xinitrc, add the line ‘exec blackbox’ , and then run ’startx’

is there a way of asking Portage what the latest ebuild is **excluding** CVS/SVN ones?

sure, mask the CVS/SVN one

CRM for a private doctor is a “canon for sparrows”

I meant on the commandline.

ok. emerge -pv \app-cat/pkg-9999
the utility ‘eix’ lets you see all kinds of info also

I’ve got problems with my wireless for some reason.

can someone help me when i load my rt61 wireless card module it loads fine, but when i do iwconfig ra0 essid myessid it says network is down

thanks, checking eix

Morglet, yes, add =pkg-category/pkg-name-9999 to /etc/portage/package.mask

^^ i would do it that way tho

thanks working fine now

cool, np

When I try to bring up wireless it says that the network interface does not exist. It looks like it’s trying to bring up a wired network.

no, that’s permanent, I meant quickly from the commandline to see if there’s an update that isn’t the CVS/SVN one.

what do you mean when you ‘try to bring up wireless’ ?

I just re-emerged ipw2200 and that didn’t fix the problem. Right now I’m kind of lost.

where do i check for SATA support in the kernel?

_AxS_, bring up /etc/init.d/net.eth1

how can i turn off udev even msgs, when my system boots i get all these errors from udev

Serial Ata and Parallel ATA

event*

Morglet, do what _AxS_ suggested then

ah. did you configure all the wireless stuffs for it?
in /etc/conf.d/net ?
do you have wireless-tools emerged? wpa_supplicant (if you use it)?

_AxS_, It was configured long ago. I believe it’s still configured.

ah ok. so it was working but now isn’t.?

Yeah, I don’t have a wireless router myself, so I don’t know how long it’s not been working for.

hello to all
why HAL don’t mount the usb storage as UTF-8?? this is the HAL rule: http://rafb.net/p/hjjX4O98.html …please help me

hm. well, check all settings.. does dmesg give any errors when you load the module?

can someone help me when i load my rt61 wireless card module it loads fine, but when i do iwconfig ra0 essid myessid it says network is down

what does iwconfig eth1 say?

yeah, that’ll do. If 9999 really has that official meaning though, would be nice to have a –nocvs flag in emerge, so that we don’t have to construct the ” ebuild names for each case.

if you type ‘iwconfig’ does it show eth1 having wireless extensions? it could be you have eth1394 on now and eth1 was bumped to eth2

and how can i stop the udev event msgs from showing when my system boots

there are very few -9999 ebuilds, and most of them are hard masked.. as such, its pretty rare to have to deal with that. HOWEVER, usually when you’re doing stuff with ~arch packages it is expected that you will be masking down to the version you want to use.

why HAL don’t mount the usb storage as UTF-8?? this is the HAL rule: http://rafb.net/p/hjjX4O98.html …please help me

It doesn’t show an eth0 interface.

because we don’t put any guarantees to system-wide ~arch actually working.

autounmask is a nice package

the usb device’s filesystem supports uft8 ?
err, utf-8

yes

_AxS_, It looks like it’s a kernel/module issue.

“very few” only if you don’t use overlays )

true. overlays are a different beast, you’re expected to mask appropriately there too

if i mount manually with mount /dev… -o iocharset=utf-8, it mount with utf-8

but you can take that up with the overlay maintainer

happen to know how i can stop the udev event msg that start when my system boots?

what’s in your fstab?
….nope. what message?

alot, ones about hotplug
give me 1 sec

i’m sure somebody will know.

the fstab i don’t want to use
becouse the disk is extern

“overlay maintainer” is a somewhat loose concept on many overlays, hehe

ok…but how else are you going to specify mount options?

you can put the option ‘noauto’, if you don’t want it to automatically mount

true
you can maybe try and adjust the udev rule, but i dont think that actually handles the automount.

ok one of them is UDEVD-deven run_program udev_run_devd failed

did you recently upgrade udev and not apply the config file updates?

looks like the problem might have been lack of SATA support, wasnt enabled, im recompiling the kernel now

maby
how can i tell ?

run dispatch-conf and apply the config file updates. be careful not to overwrite your own settings

why my rule doesn’t work? http://rafb.net/p/hjjX4O98.html

whoeho
gentoo is back

the rule is right

On gentoo now

because it mount in my mount_point

running a terminal based irc client in a very big resolution lol
thanks for helping _AxS_

no idea, sorry.. are you sure the syntax of volume.policy.mount_option.iocharset=utf8 is right?
cool, np

Just wondering though……….is it possible to run the standard terminal in 1280*800 mode?

nope. not with vesafb anyways

bummer
Gotta get that fixed later on then.

its not a vesa standard mode

Emerging gnome now. Gonna take a while……..

1024×768 doesnt look too bad on that screen tho

im confused on what to do in this dispatch-conf

true _AxS_ this resolution is very doable

i dont actually use that one, i use another called ‘etc-update’ .. but they do the same thing. it should be presenting you with config files that need to be updated.

happy everthing went alright though. One hell of a bloated kernel now but it works
I’ll tweak it sometime later.
First get my X back

if you man dispatch-conf it will tell you how to use it

which option should i choose
-3?

is there a way to add a dns server so it is added to resolv.conf before they are obtained from the dhcp server?

-3 to auto merge all remaining files

black, auto merge can really mess things up if you customize any of those scripts
s/scripts/configs/

what do you recommend?

just wondering……..does emerge gnome give me my X automaticly?

go through each one and check to make sure that you haven’t customized anything.

(as far as the compilation goes ofcourse I know I have to set it up)

black, step through them and make sure it is either default or sane

if you have not, then use the new version. if you have, then adjust

I remember having that problem a long time ago. I just set myself up with a static ip, and configured resolv.conf manually.

black, personally i use the package cfg-update to help automate updates to default configs and have it prompt me on things i customized

it would probably pull xorg in as a dependency but you should see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

grabbing now

emerge gnome gives you X if you have it listed as a use flag

alright thanks
i’ll figure it out gonna take a while for now
I do have one question to _AxS_ though. You said you could install nvidia from emerge instead of the Nvidia site. Any tips?

emerge nvidia-drivers

emerge gnome pulls down tons of packages though. I wonder consider using gnome-light if you are just looking for a more minimal install and you can always add packages later also.

cfg-update will help in the future.. it doesn’t know how to handle any current config changes when it’s merged

yep. add ‘VIDEO_CARDS=”nvidia vesa”‘ to /etc/make.conf before you emerge X
hm? what’s this?

ah that way? Then i’ll use the nvidia package. Does auto X configuration etc
thanks though

myzrael, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml

when i try to load my rt61 module for wireless card, it loads fine. but when i iwconfig ra0 essid myessid .. i get error network down

_AxS_, something better than dispatch-conf IMO.. auto merges unmodified configs

oh cool

and into_311 , thanks for the tip. Sadly I’m already emerging gnome normal though.

black, rt61 (from rt2×00) had some dhcpcd issues. Have you tried ifconfig xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up && route add default gw yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy ra0 && iwlist ra0 scan && iwconfig ra0 essid yourssid ap zz:zz:zz:zz:zz:zz key blablabla (assuming wep)

Can I cancel it?

hi all

rt61 likes iwlist ra0 scan

no problem

and @ sion_ no idea how to open that link you typed……..running a terminal IRC client and I don’t understand ith hehe

cancel what? hm?

the emerge of gnome

_AxS_, then it brings up either a GUI merge tool or can use a console one too for modified configs

well it was working fine before kernel recompile

so I can emerge-gnomelight

AH ok yeah, just break out of it

I have quston about mail forward

that doesn’t leave a mess?

I can forward mail with procmail to other email address?

im using ndiswrapper at timee

myzrael, I usually take it slower, and get a CLI browser up before I move on to xorg, nvidia, alsa and all

black, SMP?

gnome-light and gnome have a lot of common dependencies. it is unlikely that you’re beyond what gnome-light will emerge

the emerge, yes, ctrl-c or what not. but it might leave behind a few dependencies gnome won’t use

but i would recommend emerging xorg-x11 before any of that

you can always clean those up later

alright hold on

let me check

rt61 (had/has SMP & PREEMPT issues)

yeah, I think_AxS idea isn’t a bad way to go. that way, you can get to emerging gnome-light using x anyways.

doing a Xorg emerge now

like in twm or what not

myzrael, one beauty about gentoo is that it will deal with unneeded deps later… when you depclean and revdep-rebuild, so dont worry about em

after that nvidia drivers and indeed I should be able to use X then to emerge
cool sion_ I forgot that

so i should have smp =y?

myzrael, you need to set some flags for xorg…. not good to just emerge I guess

have you setup VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES in /etc/make.conf ?

or you are saying it is broke?

SMP = N

Ehnvis nope, but Nvidia will take care of driver installation and kernel compile stuff

it was working pretty good

tried it before on ubuntu

PREEMP = N

works wonderfully

yeah, setup VIDEO_CARDS AND INPUT_DEVICES in /etc/make.conf

myzrael, not entirely, this is not ubuntu

is there a way to mount a specific directory inside my usb device?

erm, you need to set those up

then emerge X

alright
aboring again

myzrael, take it slow….

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

black, dmesg | grep rt61

can’t open the link into
don’t know how ;

thats a good doc to get you started with X first

hehe

that in pros/features?

myzrael, what into_311 said but you have no browser

well I have one………
links……..
but I can’t copy paste from IRC

myzrael, use it on what into_311 said

so that’s gonna take a lot of typin everytime
lol

well i dont have it loaded, im using crappy ndiswrapper

so… suffer

hehe

ok here’s a quick thing about Xorg in gentoo: Xorg-7 and above are modular. youneed to add INPUT_DEVICES and VIDEO_CARDS lines in make.conf so that you choose what drivers you want. then, when you emerge xorg-x11, you will get those drivers. THEN you can set up Xorg however

yeah, sorry – use that x configuration document I sent you first.

i cant load them at same time .. can i?

if you have ‘nvidia’ in your VIDEO_CARDS then it will grab the drivers from nvidia and build them

you can read that in elinks or lynx

can you rsync only parts of the portage tree?

alright hang on

no.

then it should emerge xorg-x11 and your nvidia drivers
then emerge gnome-light

_AxS_, is right as usual… but on nvidia, for a first install you may want to use both nv and nvidia in VIDEO_CARDS

all or nothing — it is a snapshot. it must stay consistent

I am having problems with emerge -uavDN world on a brand new install

black, don’t think so…

i havent toyed with USE flags or anything

oh, I see, thank you

i have no idea what is causing it

yeah i mentioned earlier he should shove ‘vesa’ in there too actually

Kazuma, please explain in detail
Kazuma, like what’s the errors?

_AxS_, vesa is a killer on bigger resolutions

myzrael: I would agree, it might not be a bad idea to use nv and vesa along with nvidia in the VIDEO_CARDS section of your /etc/make.conf

but it’ll give him X

_AxS_, and my naming went wrong

so you have some failover if nvidia driver won’t work

grknight, when i try to emerge -uavDN world i get…
checking for XML